2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

A lot of words there. Most of them nonsense. Much of what you say is science, is nothing of the sort. If you were to look into how the virologists actually sequence a virus, you would see that it simply a fraud.

 

Measles is a set of symptoms that could go under the name of at least half a dozen other so-called 'diseases'. These symptoms are not caused by a virus. They are the body ridding itself of something it don't want. They are evidence that a cure is in operation.

 

As for 5G. Recent studies show that some people suffer greatly when exposed to the frequency. So, I'm asking if it is possible that people who suffered - thinking they had caught C-19 - had gotten 5G poisoning.

 

Turn the router off at night.

 

And for some it has been "reported," 5G affects their brains, causing them to spout out nonsense.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Another one-liner. Why not debate Trans bud?

 

Science is always ready to be added to. or corrected

 

found a very early photo of the Trans troll .   makes it a bit more understandable why the troll can not create more than one-line dummie lines :

17 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

And for some it has been "reported," 5G affects their brains, causing them to spout out nonsense.

Wifi 2.4   is close to the frequencies used in microwave ovens

for cooking your food..but perfectly safe for your brain  ?

 

"5G"  cell phone stuff  includes frequencies up to 30 gigahertz

 

I'm sure that some people are very sensitive to this microwave energy and who actually knows what the long term effects are on human health ?

31 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I really don't know why I bother....

 

“Science is always ready to be corrected” —

 

yes, absolutely. But correction requires evidence, not just vibes and a hunch that measles “isn’t a virus.”

Science updates itself through data, peer review, and rigorous testing — not by someone shouting "I don’t believe in viruses" on a forum. Saying “measles isn’t a virus” isn’t correcting science — it’s denying 70 years of virology, microscopy, and genomic sequencing.

That’s not how science works. That’s how Facebook comment sections work.

Science is updated by looking at new evidence, or revisiting old, which then is subjected to rigorous examination and if found to be sound, becomes scientifically factual. This then becomes accepted as truth.

 

There is not one country in the world that has any record of a virus being isolated and purified. Also asked in FIO requests, were  Johns Hopkins, The CDC, NIH, FDA and the UK regulatory body; MHRA. No luck so far. ALL said they didn't have the evidence.

 

It is so easy to look to people in authority and say they must be right. Cause they say so. However; I'm not so easily fooled.

 

,,,,it’s denying 70 years of virology, microscopy, and genomic sequencing. You simply don't know what you are talking about Sir.

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Most of the science that surrounds immunology and virology is just made up nonsense.

Just like all your posts.

my goodness.   i just popped in to have a look at the great debate .  Been about a week, and seven pages have been added !      Any converted souls yet ?    hmmm

 

el gato :

"you’ve seen it and felt it 1000 times. some new study on masking to stop covid comes out. basically everyone sees the conclusions and immediately decides if it’s right or wrong before even reading it. they “know” if masks do or do not work and by this point in the game, pretty much no one is changing their mind again. the positions are too dug in.

you accept it or deny it depending on its alignment with your preconception.

cognitive dissonance is an incredibly powerful process and those who are sufficiently committed to some version of reality or self-conception will actively and without a hint of irony or self-awareness reject any and all new data that contradicts their existing beliefs."

 

ok.... poppin out again .   y'all get some fresh air ! 

King Ahab and Queen Jezebel were considered to be two of the evilest monarchs in the Holy Bible. They had a particularly diabolical spiritual scheme.

 

What was their scam?  Hiring 850 witch doctors to convince the slaves to protect their health and stop the fear of disease via self mutilation. The cash of course flowed nonstop and filled up the royal coffers.  

 

The self mutilating treatments were slicing and dicing human flesh, sacrificing babies and other grotesque poisoning treatments.  Sounds similar to our current system of surgery, vaccination, popping pills and abortion.

 

This current virus scam is a mystical, ethereal affliction that requires a spiritual solution.  It's similar to a grandchild being afraid of ghosts under the bed.  I would guess most of the hypochondriacs afraid of mythical viruses don't know how to protect themselves, so are easy prey, just like the story in 1 Kings.

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Science is updated by looking at new evidence, or revisiting old, which then is subjected to rigorous examination and if found to be sound, becomes scientifically factual. This then becomes accepted as truth.

 

There is not one country in the world that has any record of a virus being isolated and purified. Also asked in FIO requests, were  Johns Hopkins, The CDC, NIH, FDA and the UK regulatory body; MHRA. No luck so far. ALL said they didn't have the evidence.

 

It is so easy to look to people in authority and say they must be right. Cause they say so. However; I'm not so easily fooled.

 

,,,,it’s denying 70 years of virology, microscopy, and genomic sequencing. You simply don't know what you are talking about Sir.

 

 

exact opposite....you're kidding yourslef

You're dismissing 70+ years of virology, microscopy, genome sequencing, and countless peer-reviewed studies because of a few cherry-picked FOI requests and YouTube-level “gotchas.”

Viruses have been isolated, sequenced, and imaged — thousands of times. Just because you don’t understand the methods doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Skepticism isn’t refusing all evidence. That’s just denial with a thesaurus.

2 minutes ago, kwilco said:

Viruses have been isolated, sequenced, and imaged — thousands of times. Just because you don’t understand the methods doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Simply untrue.

 

There is not one experiment anywhere, that shows a 'virus' (any virus) has ever been found.

 

I'm perfectly aware of the steps taken during the virologist fraudulent tests. Absolutely disgraceful.

On 6/17/2025 at 4:33 PM, gamb00ler said:

All kids should be everybody's kids....  There's still time for you to join the human race.

 

Takes a village??

 

Nah

6 hours ago, johng said:

Wifi 2.4   is close to the frequencies used in microwave ovens

for cooking your food..but perfectly safe for your brain  ?

 

"5G"  cell phone stuff  includes frequencies up to 30 gigahertz

 

I'm sure that some people are very sensitive to this microwave energy and who actually knows what the long term effects are on human health ?

And just how does one know if they are in this sensitive category?  

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Simply untrue.

 

There is not one experiment anywhere, that shows a 'virus' (any virus) has ever been found.

 

I'm perfectly aware of the steps taken during the virologist fraudulent tests. Absolutely disgraceful.

love to here you views on this.....

 

4 hours ago, kwilco said:

love to here you views on this.....

 

I also read this on the MSM. Don't have the full spec as yet.

 

However, Rabies is not caused by a 'virus'.

 

 

4 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

11 hours ago, johng said:

Wifi 2.4   is close to the frequencies used in microwave ovens

for cooking your food..but perfectly safe for your brain  ?

 

"5G"  cell phone stuff  includes frequencies up to 30 gigahertz

 

I'm sure that some people are very sensitive to this microwave energy and who actually knows what the long term effects are on human health ?

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And just how does one know if they are in this sensitive category?  

 

Easy, when you experience adverse effects like head-ache, concentration loss or nausea when in close proximity to a strong EMF emitting source.  E.g. near 5G towers, or holding your mobile phone to your ear during telephone calls lasting longer than 2-3 minutes, ... 

11 hours ago, rumak said:

my goodness.   i just popped in to have a look at the great debate .  Been about a week, and seven pages have been added !      Any converted souls yet ?    hmmm

 

el gato :

"you’ve seen it and felt it 1000 times. some new study on masking to stop covid comes out. basically everyone sees the conclusions and immediately decides if it’s right or wrong before even reading it. they “know” if masks do or do not work and by this point in the game, pretty much no one is changing their mind again. the positions are too dug in.

you accept it or deny it depending on its alignment with your preconception.

cognitive dissonance is an incredibly powerful process and those who are sufficiently committed to some version of reality or self-conception will actively and without a hint of irony or self-awareness reject any and all new data that contradicts their existing beliefs."

 

ok.... poppin out again .   y'all get some fresh air ! 

 

I agree that at this point in time the positions on Vaccine harm are so entrenched that posters on this sub-Forum will not change their mind.  For that to happen the issue needs to become 'up close and personal', e.g. by themselves or their loved ones experiencing devastating effects like cancer or sudden 'inexplicable' death.  And even then the hardline jab-enthusiasts will dismiss it as coincidence or any other explanation they can come up with. For them admitting that you were wrong is the Western equivalent of 'losing face'. 

So that begs the question > WHY do I bother to keep on posting new studies, articles or events that provide strong evidence of vaccine harm? 

The reason is twofold: 

#1 - Not all readers of these threads are pro-vax hardliners, some (I would even argue many) are actually 'on the fencers' who have some doubts about the vaccine issue.  And without continual reminding of vaccine harm, they would once again roll up their sleeves for a jab if the Fear Factor is stoked up high enough (the Masked Bulldog's speciality).  

#2 - The call to 'forgive and forget and get on with your life' is very strong.  But accountability is needed, otherwise Gates, Fauci, Bourla, Collins, Marks, Birx and all their cronies will do it again.  And make no mistake: they are already trying with new virus-scares (monkey-pox, bird-flu, new Covid strain, ,,,). 

I fully support dr Roger Hodkinson in this short 1 minute 'Never forgive, Never forget' clip

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I agree that at this point in time the positions on Vaccine harm are so entrenched that posters on this sub-Forum will not change their mind.  For that to happen the issue needs to become 'up close and personal', e.g. by themselves or their loved ones experiencing devastating effects like cancer or sudden 'inexplicable' death.  And even then the hardline jab-enthusiasts will dismiss it as coincidence or any other explanation they can come up with. For them admitting that you were wrong is the Western equivalent of 'losing face'. 

So that begs the question > WHY do I bother to keep on posting new studies, articles or events that provide strong evidence of vaccine harm? 

The reason is twofold: 

#1 - Not all readers of these threads are pro-vax hardliners, some (I would even argue many) are actually 'on the fencers' who have some doubts about the vaccine issue.  And without continual reminding of vaccine harm, they would once again roll up their sleeves for a jab if the Fear Factor is stoked up high enough (the Masked Bulldog's speciality).  

#2 - The call to 'forgive and forget and get on with your life' is very strong.  But accountability is needed, otherwise Gates, Fauci, Bourla, Collins, Marks, Birx and all their cronies will do it again.  And make no mistake: they are already trying with new virus-scares (monkey-pox, bird-flu, new Covid strain, ,,,). 

I fully support dr Roger Hodkinson in this short 1 minute 'Never forgive, Never forget' clip

 

 

 

 

I understand your position (yes, i do ) ..... and have applauded you more than a few times.   Keep at it .  I also am angry (at many actions that have pretty much taken over the social fabric in which we must live) .   Someone close to me is  adversely affected by the criminal covid conspiracy ...   I do wholeheartedly agree with dr Hodkinson . 

Though in the past I have weighed in on putting my feelings down here, i personally find the ongoing internet battles unhelpful for me in regards to trying to keep my goal on course .   Just wayyyyy too much ignorance and nastiness from "the other side".

 

For now ,  i just feel much better when I ignore the vast number of humanoids living in the bozone :" The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer, unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future."

So:

Do the best i can with what i got .  Health has been number one for a long time , never more so than one crosses 60 or in my case 70 .   Health, humor, and humility ( working on them all)   .   And......... i do feel a kinship with you and a few others that have gone through the trenches together.   (especially the more respectul ones ) 😉

7 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I also read this on the MSM. Don't have the full spec as yet.

 

However, Rabies is not caused by a 'virus'.

 

 

so what would you do if bitten by a rabid animal?

Just now, kwilco said:

so what would you do if bitten by a rabid animal?

Didn't I answer this earlier Sir?

 

Not to fret. I'll answer again. Give the wound a quick wipe, and wash if there is water. put a plaster across it if small. Use the tape method to close the wound if it is gaping. Stitch it, if I could (I'm right handed). Scare the dog away and get back to work. If I can't stitch the wound, I'd go to a clinic to get it stitched.

 

I had a problem not a million miles away from this. And it was all my own fault. I was on me cycle going to the farm. I was holding onto the frame on a tuk tuk to get a tow. I went down a hole, crashed, and badly cut by right hand. Fortunately the bike was still rideable. Rode over to the next village and got it stitched up. 400 baht. I was offered injections and capsules; that I declined.

 

A bit expensive. If it had been the left hand I would have sorted myself.

 

20 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Another one-liner. Why not debate Trans bud?

 

Science is always ready to be added to. or corrected

I don't discuss anything with fruitcakes, just point a few things out if I feel like it...........🤗

2 minutes ago, transam said:

I don't discuss anything

You don't discuss anything full stop.

Just cryptic innuendo and/or insults.

 

20 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Simple, because the Transman's idea of debate/discussing consists of posting a combination of insults, one-line non-sequitur nonsense and emoji.   

Once again you call me 'Transman', next time I will take it further..........🙄

 

It would seem you do not like my opinion of yourself and your nonsense, that's tough, get used to it, I am alloyed my opinion.........🤔

8 minutes ago, johng said:

You don't discuss anything full stop.

Just cryptic innuendo and/or insults.

 

Oh, yes I do, try reading other stuff that doesn't include anti-vax fruitcakes................

34 minutes ago, transam said:

Once again you call me 'Transman', next time I will take it further..........🙄

 

It would seem you do not like my opinion of yourself and your nonsense, that's tough, get used to it, I am alloyed my opinion.........🤔

Pretty much everyone agrees that you sure do 'alloy' your one-liner posts with iron-clad nonsense, insults and non-sequitur.

12 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Pretty much everyone agrees that you sure do 'alloy' your one-liner posts with iron-clad nonsense, insults and non-sequitur.

Oh, 'everyone agrees', that smarts of you covid cr@p...................🤗

 

You don't realise that 'perhaps' many on here don't agree with your covid nonsense, do ya know that..............🤪

6 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Didn't I answer this earlier Sir?

 

Not to fret. I'll answer again. Give the wound a quick wipe, and wash if there is water. put a plaster across it if small. Use the tape method to close the wound if it is gaping. Stitch it, if I could (I'm right handed). Scare the dog away and get back to work. If I can't stitch the wound, I'd go to a clinic to get it stitched.

 

I had a problem not a million miles away from this. And it was all my own fault. I was on me cycle going to the farm. I was holding onto the frame on a tuk tuk to get a tow. I went down a hole, crashed, and badly cut by right hand. Fortunately the bike was still rideable. Rode over to the next village and got it stitched up. 400 baht. I was offered injections and capsules; that I declined.

 

A bit expensive. If it had been the left hand I would have sorted myself.

 

You fell on a rabid road???

 

I look forward to your obituary.

 

please post that on the Rabies thread I gave you the address to

Jeff Childers was at the Heritage foundation last week .  My cynicism IMO is just an honest observation :  NOTHING ever gets done to change the narrative !   Just more "studies", more deflections,  more BS .    Rumak hates BS .

 

Jeff always presents an "optimistic" view of what is happening..... and I admit i get a bit taken in .  Until ........... nothing.  Today's C&C  speaks a bit towards what MIGHT be coming  (cough cough) .   An excerpt :

 

 "Heritage has consistently and carefully framed its jab position as, “We are not against the vaccine. We are against the government forcing people to take it.” Fair enough. But with all the ‘nudging,’ sly coercive techniques, and censorship, and with vulnerable children, pregnant women, and adults being pressured and propagandized by false government health guidance, the libertarian position relative to the vaccines (keeping them voluntary) falls short of the mark.

Based on what I saw at Heritage on Tuesday, it appears the nation’s most influential think tank is preparing to wade into anti-vaccine waters.

Following the public panel where I spoke (which I’ve linked), Heritage invited about 30 MAHA influencers to a 2-hour private roundtable. About a half-dozen Heritage policy wonks also attended. I’m bound by a confidentiality agreement, but I can say they asked us for suggestions about how the vaccines could be rolled back. They did not take any clear position on the issue; but the fact that they organized the meeting, asked the questions, listened carefully, and engaged dynamically was incredibly encouraging.

I may be overstating the case to a modest degree, but it seems to me that, if Heritage joins the fight, the covid mRNA vaccines’ days are numbered. I was encouraged, and you should be, too."

Whilst the anti-VAX brigade and the other tinfoil hat hangers on debate whether there is any such thing as a virus or bacteria or suchlike, and quote nonsense from suspect websites, those intelligent folk amongst us will be pleased to know that science and medicine marches on irrespective of what happens in the little world of these little people.

 

It will be absolutely brilliant if this research progresses and comes to fruition, especially for those folk who have witnessed friends or family suffering from Parkinson's or even ALS – – read on: –

 

Japan’s Stem Cell Scientists Claim Breakthrough in Parkinson’s Treatment
It’s a small study, but it could change everything for neurodegenerative diseases. 
https://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/lab-grown-brain-cells-parkinsons/ 

On 6/19/2025 at 10:22 AM, kwilco said:

In Ontario, the measles outbreak led to a vaccination campaign — not the other way around. Public Health Ontario confirms the vast majority of cases were in unvaccinated individuals. The blog being cited isn’t a scientific source; it’s a Substack with an agenda.

 

Incorrect. Try actually reading articles before commenting:

• Oct 18, 2024: Ontario’s measles outbreak officially began, per Public Health Ontario.
• Mar 6, 2025: Canadian government launched aggressive vaccine push; 227 measles cases reported since January.
• Mar 13, 2025: Ontario reported a dramatic rise of 195 new cases in just a week.
• Mar 14: Ontario’s top health official issued another vaccine push.
• Mar 20: CBC reported another 120 new cases in just 6 days following Moore’s statement.
• Mar 27: Additional 102 cases were reported in a single week.
• Mar 31: Ontario hit 557 total measles cases—the province’s largest outbreak in nearly 30 years.

The case count more than doubled (227 → 557) in just 25 days following government vaccine campaigns.

 

On 6/19/2025 at 10:22 AM, kwilco said:

And no, the MMR vaccine isn’t “gain-of-function”

 

Incorrect. Here are the facts for those who are willing/able to actually look at them:

 

https://jonfleetwood.substack.com/p/measles-vaccine-and-gain-of-function

On 6/20/2025 at 4:14 PM, rumak said:

NOTHING ever gets done to change the narrative !

 

Come on Rumak, there are 'antivaxxers' in charge of the US Ministry of Health, that's not too bad a narrative considering where we were in 2023 

 

As I said a few weeks, ago, things will never go fast enough for us, but moving the deeply entrenched Vax Dogma monolith is a titanic task, and considering the forces at play, I honestly don't think it is possible to go any quicker.

 

But we're not out of the woods yet, and IMO sharp observation requires (tricky to achieve) balance: not too optimistic, not too pessimistic…