EU EU ready to hit US with 21-bln-euro tariff list, Italy foreign minister says

[daveAustin]

3 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Euro doing just fine, cant say that about the Brits

Keep saying that when Ruskie ranks roll across your borders. The EU machine is a total damp squib that should continually have cap in hand while waving a white flag and I’m all for tosspot Trump to do his worst on them. 

[DezLez]

Just now, BLMFem said:

Any chance of you having another look at the post in question again first?

Any chance of answering the post rather than making a pointless post in response?

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

I doubt Trump is worried at all, he's already outsmarted China and he will have no trouble sorting the pathetic eurocrats out.  When it comes to deals  Trump  is in a different league to the likes of vanderleyan and her cronies who have never had a proper job    and his popularity is increasing, day after day , Suck it up lefties 

Can you repost that when you wake up from "La La Land" and/or MAGA control!

[Yagoda]

4 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Screw Trump! Stop trading with him altogether until he comes to his senses! 

Yeah there is a huge market for Brie in the Congo

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Keep saying that when Ruskie ranks roll across your borders. The EU machine is a total damp squib that should continually have cap in hand while waving a white flag and I’m all for tosspot Trump to do his worst on them. 

Yeah and we will be back to protect you guys. Its like we are United and you are Liverpool. You guys are mumbling, hubcap stealing piratical barely human little cousins, but you are our cousins so we will as always be by your side.

[Trippy]

2 hours ago, BLMFem said:

 

So was you account hacked?

No, I asked a question, that was tongue in cheek. I never said the US should stop all trade with the EU.

STOP making false assumptions. 

Put me on your ignore list, until then:

 

[newbee2022]

1 hour ago, DezLez said:

I will try one last time in very plain English!

Where does  the statement "US products worth 95 bill Euro will be taxed" come from?

Please provide a link!

V.d.Leyen. President of European Commission. But as I said in very plain English these are plans. Same tariffs by The Don on EU products are plans. If they will be implemented depends on POTUS. So wait until August. Then I'll inform you about the result, in very plain  English of course.

And now in very plain English: Good night.

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

V.d.Leyen. President of European Commission. But as I said in very plain English these are plans. Same tariffs by The Don on EU products are plans. If they will be implemented depends on POTUS. So wait until August. Then I'll inform you about the result, in very plain  English of course.

And now in very plain English: Good night.

Where is the link that I asked for to substantiate your claim "US products worth 95 bill Euro will be taxed" ?

AN rules state that links must be provided to support so called posted facts!

[bubblegum]

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah and we will be back to protect you guys. Its like we are United and you are Liverpool. You guys are mumbling, hubcap stealing piratical barely human little cousins, but you are our cousins so we will as always be by your side.

United / Liverpool ? Hope you're not talking about football because then your a so very wrong, unbelievable.

[KhaoHom]

Boo hoo

 

No more fancy imported food and wine🤣

 

Guess Americans must now enjoy their own

[KhaoHom]

13 hours ago, BLMFem said:

His popularity is increasing day after day, you say? Where is this magical place where this is happening, I wonder? Lalaland?

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/07/15/new-polling-finds-strong-bipartisan-support-trumps-immigration-policies/

[JonnyF]

14 hours ago, JulesMad said:

I hope the EU squeezes america completely empty! And you can blame your never-failing ever-lying president for that!

 

Funny how the Europhiles who celebrate the single market and customs union, and rejoiced at tariffs and trade barriers being imposed on Britain when they left, are now completely aghast at the US doing exactly the same thing 😄.

 

As for squeezing America empty, you might want to look at the trade surplus the EU has with the US. For now anyway...

 

 

[pacovl46]

22 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Really? What about the weapons and NATO funding? 

Well, since he’s proven to be absolutely delusional and unreliable, we’ll have to bite the bullet and tackle it ourselves. It’s about time for that anyway. We can’t keep relying on others for protection! 

[pacovl46]

22 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yes we are paying with a better deal than the EU. 😄

 

The EU was built on protectionism. It is their raison d'etre. Yet they don't like it when the US does the same thing. Karma biting hard. 

Better deal? With whom? Trump? He’ll be gone in three years! The UK used to be an empire and now you’re not even a shadow of what you’re used to be. But keep your head in the sand. No skin off my nose! 

[pacovl46]

18 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah there is a huge market for Brie in the Congo

Yeah well, no one says that it would be easy, but it would definitely be doable! And trust me, the US wouldn’t go unscathed whatsoever.

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Well, since he’s proven to be absolutely delusional and unreliable, we’ll have to bite the bullet and tackle it ourselves. It’s about time for that anyway. We can’t keep relying on others for protection! 

US defence spending on NATO is about two thirds of NATO total expenditure. Can't plug that hole any time soon.

[JonnyF]

25 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Better deal?

 

Yes. Significantly better. 

 

25 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

 

 

With whom?

 

Trump.

 

25 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

 

 

Trump?

 

Yes I just told you that. 

 

25 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

 

He’ll be gone in three years!

 

Maybe. 😉

 

25 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

 

 

The UK used to be an empire and now you’re not even a shadow of what you’re used to be. But keep your head in the sand. No skin off my nose! 

 

Labour will be gone at the next election. Possibly forever. 

 

Obviously a lot of damage will be (deliberately) done before then but nothing that cannot be repaired with Farage/Vance (or maybe even Trump) working together. 

 

 

[Yagoda]

8 hours ago, bubblegum said:

United / Liverpool ? Hope you're not talking about football because then your a so very wrong, unbelievable.

I knew you were a scouser

[RayC]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Funny how the Europhiles who celebrate the single market and customs union, and rejoiced at tariffs and trade barriers being imposed on Britain when they left, are now completely aghast at the US doing exactly the same thing 😄.

 

Sad how some Brexiters falsify facts and distort reality.

 

Flawed as it is, the EU - UK Withdrawal Agreement at least ensures that there are no tariffs on trade between the EU and the UK.

 

The non-tariff barriers faced by UK exporters and importers - such as the increased bureaucracy, increased difficulty in hiring EU nationals, etc. - are self-imposed and the result of a choice made by Johnson's UK government to remove the UK from the Single Market and the Customs Union. The offer of continued membership of the both was made by the EU but rejected by the UK.

 

The US has applied tariffs on (almost) all of its' trading partners, risking a global slowdown, crisis in the financial markets and a realignment in the world order so bears no resemblance to the EU.

 

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

As for squeezing America empty, you might want to look at the trade surplus the EU has with the US. For now anyway...

 

 

Ah, the reappearance of one of the 'hard' Brexiters' favourite mantras: 'It will hurt them more than it hurts us'.

 

Of course, this ignores the fact that the hurt could be avoided completely.

[bubblegum]

17 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I knew you were a scouser

Sorry don't know what that means. I'm not an English football fan but even I know that Man U has been terrible for at least a decade.

[transam]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

US defence spending on NATO is about two thirds of NATO total expenditure. Can't plug that hole any time soon.

Isn't the USA's spending on THEIR equipment, including, planes, submarines, ships, land vehicles and bases, you know, the stuff THEY want to use......?

 

[dinsdale]

Just now, transam said:

Isn't the USA's spending on THEIR equipment, including, planes, submarines, ships, land vehicles and bases, you know, the stuff THEY want to use......?

 

US military budget for 2025 is $1 trillion. NATO spending is on top of that. Now Trump wants to sell weapons and weapon systems to the EU and then the EU sells to Ukraine. This will make little difference on the battlefield. 

[xylophone]

On 7/15/2025 at 2:19 PM, pacovl46 said:

Screw Trump! Stop trading with him altogether until he comes to his senses! 

That will never happen and already his mental faculties are on a downward spiral, so not long before he becomes a complete idiot!

[BLMFem]

10 hours ago, KhaoHom said:

 

https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/07/15/new-polling-finds-strong-bipartisan-support-trumps-immigration-policies/

 

The Daily Signal??😆

 

Meanwhile, in the real world:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1366581-americans-views-on-immigration-take-a-massive-positive-swing-amid-trumps-crackdown/

[candide]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

US defence spending on NATO is about two thirds of NATO total expenditure. Can't plug that hole any time soon.

It's inaccurate to say it's spent "on NATO", it's spent on the U.S. to defend itself.

 

The direct expenses for maintaining a military presence in Europe are around 35b/year and it would probably not cost less if these assets were repositionned somewhere else.

 

However, the main deterrence effect of the U.S. participation in NATO is the potential to use of its military power based elsewhere (mainly in the U.S.). The other NATO countries cannot match that on short-term.

[pacovl46]

On 7/16/2025 at 8:43 AM, dinsdale said:

US defence spending on NATO is about two thirds of NATO total expenditure. Can't plug that hole any time soon.

Wait and see...

[JonnyF]

22 hours ago, RayC said:

Of course, this ignores the fact that the hurt could be avoided completely.

 

Indeed.

 

All the EU has to do is agree with the US generous offer of reciprocal tariffs. 

 

But no, they want to export to the US with carefree abandon while maintaining their own protectionist racket. Trump isn't having it. Rightly so. 

[RayC]

52 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Indeed.

 

All the EU has to do is agree with the US generous offer of reciprocal tariffs. 

 

But no, they want to export to the US with carefree abandon while maintaining their own protectionist racket. Trump isn't having it. Rightly so. 

 

I'm afraid that, once again, your irrational hatred of the EU has distorted fact and resulted in erroneous conclusions.

 

Pre Trump's tariff tantrum, the EU and US traded under the internationally accepted WTO rules based system,  mostly on a 'Most favoured nation' type arrangement. This resulted in a tariff rate on most of each other's exports of +/-1%. In this context, Trump's offer of 10% tariffs on EU exports to the US can therefore be seen for what it is:  Anything but generous.

 

Yes, it's most likely that the EU do want to export to the US with 'carefree abandon'; however, the EU would be perfectly happy for the US to engage in similar behaviour when exporting to the EU.  That's why both parties spent much of the last decade trying to negotiate a comprehensive free trade agreement (TTIP). Unfortunately someone pulled the plug on the negotiations in, I think, 2018. Who was that someone? That's right, one Donald J. Trump.

 

Your conclusion is therefore partially correct. There is protectionism at work, however, it's not from the EU side.

[Wake Up1]

On 7/15/2025 at 8:18 AM, JonnyF said:

 

The EU never learns.

 

First it wouldn't give Britain a good deal, leading to Brexit.

 

No it won't give the US a good deal, potentially leading to huge loss in trade with a colossal market.

 

The failing protectionist racket cutting off it's nose to spite it's face once again.  

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face  - that is Brexit. 😉

[JJ-Thailand]

On 7/15/2025 at 1:30 PM, Purdey said:

Why would the EU want economic revenge? Just don't buy American products if it upsets you.

Agree, most of the stuff made in the US is crap anyhow.