4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It is of extreme importance to differentiate between people protesting against Israel's approach to this war in Gaza, and antisemitism. They are two completely different things, however Israel is an extremely thin skinned nation, and very intolerant of any sort of criticism. As a Jew I know that many Jews are thin-skinned when it comes to any sort of criticism of Israel, and it's often interpreted as being anti-semitic. I've been called a Jew hater for criticizing Israeli policy so I know how sensitive the issue can be, and it's very important to interpret it correctly. Jews and all people have the right to be critical of Israeli policy, especially now that the extremists have taken over gotten the support of a hateful PM, and are engaging in what could be called a ridiculously disproportionate campaign against the Gazans. 

 

Israel must be very careful at this point as they are losing support around the world, by the day it's gotten to the point where there are very few nations who are still supportive of Israel, and the IDF. 

 

Some historical context to the lobbying. 

“The pro-Israel lobby worked uninterrupted until 1963 when the famous senator, William Fulbright, became intrigued by its activities and demanded a congressional investigation of its financial sources. The three hundred pages produced by the investigating body revealed that, over four years, the lobby had raised $5 million, exempted from tax, from the Jewish community in the United States. This was done by the purchase of bonds clandestinely made over to the State of Israel. American law forbade lobbying for the interests of a foreign country. In order to overcome the legal prohibition, it was stated that the bonds were procured only for welfare purposes in Israel.

 

However, the investigating committee found that none of the money was ever delivered to the deprived citizens of Israel. The money went to the Israeli state and, from there, immediately back to the United States—directly into AIPAC’s account. In Newsweek (August 12, 1963), it was written that the investigation exposed the AIPAC lobby as “one of the most effective networks of foreign influence.”

 

Fulbright became the pro-Israel lobby’s greatest enemy and had to be deposed by all means possible. The campaign against him became an AIPAC model. Everything was done to ensure that he would not be reelected. Anyone standing against him was financed and supported. From that time to this, the road to the Capitol has been scattered with candidates from the elite of American politics whose careers have been similarly torpedoed by AIPAC. In this manner, AIPAC impacted on Congress policy with such successful results that very few have since dared to follow in Fulbright’s footsteps.

 

Thank you for this well-articulated post; it really highlights the important distinction between legitimate criticism of Israeli policy and antisemitism. Your personal perspective adds much-needed clarity to a sensitive issue.

On a related note, it’s interesting to mention Miriam Adelson, an Israeli-born philanthropist, who is considered one of the biggest individual donors to the United States. Her significant financial influence has played a major role in shaping US-Israel relations, which is an important part of understanding the broader political and lobbying context you described.

Thanks again for sharing such a thoughtful and informative comment.

Is bMiriam Calling the Shots? Why Don't Americans Stop These Mega-Donors Having a Say?

I'm genuinely curious – how is it that someone like Miriam Adelson, an Israeli-born billionaire, can have such a massive say in U.S. foreign policy?

She’s not just a big donor – she’s arguably helped shape American policy toward Israel in ways that go way beyond what the average citizen could ever influence. Her support for a "Greater Israel", her opposition to a two-state solution, and her financial backing of Netanyahu and other hardliners are well known.

Let’s look at what happened during the Trump years – nearly all of it in line with what the Adelsons wanted:

U.S. Embassy moved to Jerusalem
Recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital
Golan Heights recognized as Israeli territory
Aid to Palestinians slashed
Iran deal scrapped
Abraham Accords pushed through

They didn’t just cheer from the sidelines. The Adelsons reportedly donated over $400 million(largest donors in US history) to Republican causes between 2012–2020. That kind of money bought them direct access to Trump and his inner circle. Miriam even got the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2018.

She also funds a string of pro-Israel and Zionist causes, like:

Birthright Israel

Yad Vashem

Maccabee Task Force

Israel Hayom (a free pro-Netanyahu newspaper in Israel)

All this raises the question:

 

Why is this allowed?
How can one ultra-rich donor (with dual loyalties, no less) shape American foreign policy so profoundly?

Shouldn’t there be limits on political donations? Or at the very least, more transparency about how foreign-born billionaires are influencing U.S. policy?

19 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

Thank you for this well-articulated post; it really highlights the important distinction between legitimate criticism of Israeli policy and antisemitism. Your personal perspective adds much-needed clarity to a sensitive issue.

On a related note, it’s interesting to mention Miriam Adelson, an Israeli-born philanthropist, who is considered one of the biggest individual donors to the United States. Her significant financial influence has played a major role in shaping US-Israel relations, which is an important part of understanding the broader political and lobbying context you described.

Thanks again for sharing such a thoughtful and informative comment.

 

Is bMiriam Calling the Shots? Why Don't Americans Stop These Mega-Donors Having a Say?

I'm genuinely curious – how is it that someone like Miriam Adelson, an Israeli-born billionaire, can have such a massive say in U.S. foreign policy?

She’s not just a big donor – she’s arguably helped shape American policy toward Israel in ways that go way beyond what the average citizen could ever influence. Her support for a "Greater Israel", her opposition to a two-state solution, and her financial backing of Netanyahu and other hardliners are well known.

Let’s look at what happened during the Trump years – nearly all of it in line with what the Adelsons wanted:

U.S. Embassy moved to Jerusalem
Recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital
Golan Heights recognized as Israeli territory
Aid to Palestinians slashed
Iran deal scrapped
Abraham Accords pushed through

They didn’t just cheer from the sidelines. The Adelsons reportedly donated over $400 million(largest donors in US history) to Republican causes between 2012–2020. That kind of money bought them direct access to Trump and his inner circle. Miriam even got the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 2018.

She also funds a string of pro-Israel and Zionist causes, like:

Birthright Israel

Yad Vashem

Maccabee Task Force

Israel Hayom (a free pro-Netanyahu newspaper in Israel)

All this raises the question:

 

Why is this allowed?
How can one ultra-rich donor (with dual loyalties, no less) shape American foreign policy so profoundly?

Shouldn’t there be limits on political donations? Or at the very least, more transparency about how foreign-born billionaires are influencing U.S. policy?

Many people just find it hard to embrace the reality that the US is one of the most corrupt countries in the world, the big distinction is that it's almost all legal forms of corruption. 

 

And many illegal forms of corruption such as insider trading amongst senators and lowly congress people are not enforced with any seriousness or vigor. 

16 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   It even says in the video that the children were suffering from cerebral palsy and they had eating disorders , Its said in Arabic by the Parents 

What video?

Listen to Piers.

 

1 hour ago, Chris.C said:

Thank you for this well-articulated post; it really highlights the important distinction between legitimate criticism of Israeli policy and antisemitism. Your personal perspective adds much-needed clarity to a sensitive issue.

On a related note, it’s interesting to mention Miriam Adelson, an Israeli-born philanthropist, who is considered one of the biggest individual donors to the United States. Her significant financial influence has played a major role in shaping US-Israel relations, which is an important part of understanding the broader political and lobbying context you described.

Thanks again for sharing such a thoughtful and informative comment.

 

 

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15 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The topic is whether there is a famine in Gaza .

I do not believe that there is.

Its all Hamas false propaganda , they've been claiming to be staving to death for three years now . 

   Gullible fools still believe in their false claims , either that or they are just going long with it as a means to attack Israel 

https://aje.io/ity6w8?update=3861527

At least 43 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli attacks across Gaza since dawn today, including nine aid seekers, sources in Gaza hospitals have told Al Jazeera.

 

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4 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

 

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   Stop posting fake claims .

The above claim is untrue 

You posted A.I content and now you have made a false claim about me . 

9 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Even if there was video, @ThreeCardMonte would simply cite the proliferation of AI-driven deepfake video, wouldn't you @ThreeCardMonte?

It depends.

11 hours ago, ezzra said:

Also, many people seem to 'forget' or choose not to remember, that 30 Thai workers were also kidnapped by the Hamas

some were tortured and killed, now, what on God earth, those Thai people have done to the Hamas

to deserve such an end, can anyone elaborate?

 

That is exactly the problem with that narrow sighted "everything is black or white" thinking.

 

Now, pay attention:

 

Nobody, do you understand?, N O B O D Y in his right mind would say the Thai workers or any other of the victims of Oktober 7 deserved to be murdered or kidnapped.

 

Do you understand?

 

Once again, nobody is supporting that because no person with at least a bit of moral and compassion will ever back the murder of innocents.

 

The reason, why you keep repeating or worse keep believing that, is because the Israel supporters try to smear those who criticize Israel.

 

To be against Israel`s mass murder in Gaza does not mean to be for the atrocities on Oktober 7.

 

Those morons with an IQ lower than room temperature keep saying that, because their little brains do not allow them any logical thinking which goes beyond their pigeonhole thinking with the capacity of only 2 pigeonholes. 

 

But logic actually demands that if you criticize one mass murder of innocents you cannot support another, except of course you think that the lives of one people are valuable while the lives of another people are not - which is textbook racism.

 

 

Now would you please elaborate why you and some others here keep condemning the mass murder from October 7, a single day, while you support and defend the mass murder which has been ongoing since then, for about 21 months, which is 660 days - EVERY DAY??

7 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

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I hope you are at least well paid by them, because if not ..... oh dear

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

Your brain is AI generated

 

That AI with the family name PAC

 

I hope you are at least well paid by them, because if not ..... oh dear

 

   I have no ide what you are going on about .

Chris posted A.I induced content 

I haven't posted A.I induced content 

Also, I have no ide who PAC is 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

That is exactly the problem with that narrow sighted "everything is black or white" thinking.

 

Now, pay attention:

 

Nobody, do you understand?, N O B O D Y in his right mind would say the Thai workers or any other of the victims of Oktober 7 deserved to be murdered or kidnapped.

 

Do you understand?

 

Once again, nobody is supporting that because no person with at least a bit of moral and compassion will ever back the murder of innocents.

 

The reason, why you keep repeating or worse keep believing that, is because the Israel supporters try to smear those who criticize Israel.

 

To be against Israel`s mass murder in Gaza does not mean to be for the atrocities on Oktober 7.

 

Those morons with an IQ lower than room temperature keep saying that, because their little brains do not allow them any logical thinking which goes beyond their pigeonhole thinking with the capacity of only 2 pigeonholes. 

 

But logic actually demands that if you criticize one mass murder of innocents you cannot support another, except of course you think that the lives of one people are valuable while the lives of another people are not - which is textbook racism.

 

 

Now would you please elaborate why you and some others here keep condemning the mass murder from October 7, a single day, while you support and defend the mass murder which has been ongoing since then, for about 21 months, which is 660 days - EVERY DAY??

 

   What should happen to the people who carried out the Oct 7 th terror attack ?

  Should they be bought to justice or should they freely roam around with no consequences for their actions ?

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What should happen to the people who carried out the Oct 7 th terror attack ?

  Should they be bought to justice or should they freely roam around with no consequences for their actions ?

 

All the people who committed atrocities against Israel on Oct 7th should be brought to justice and eliminated from society, same as those who committed atrocities against the people of Gaza since Oct 7th, no matter that they are in the Israeli Defence Forces, two wrongs do not make a right.

 

Anyone from either side who advocates violence of any kind should also face the full force of the Courts. 

On 7/26/2025 at 10:14 PM, ThreeCardMonte said:

All hearsay.  

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children

 

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20250715_N02/

 

 

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2433646/media

No, Gaza Isn’t Starving – Here’s Proof in Under 60 Seconds

 

 

11 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

That is exactly the problem with that narrow sighted "everything is black or white" thinking.

 

Now, pay attention:

 

Nobody, do you understand?, N O B O D Y in his right mind would say the Thai workers or any other of the victims of Oktober 7 deserved to be murdered or kidnapped.

 

Do you understand?

 

Once again, nobody is supporting that because no person with at least a bit of moral and compassion will ever back the murder of innocents.

 

The reason, why you keep repeating or worse keep believing that, is because the Israel supporters try to smear those who criticize Israel.

 

To be against Israel`s mass murder in Gaza does not mean to be for the atrocities on Oktober 7.

 

Those morons with an IQ lower than room temperature keep saying that, because their little brains do not allow them any logical thinking which goes beyond their pigeonhole thinking with the capacity of only 2 pigeonholes. 

 

But logic actually demands that if you criticize one mass murder of innocents you cannot support another, except of course you think that the lives of one people are valuable while the lives of another people are not - which is textbook racism.

 

 

Now would you please elaborate why you and some others here keep condemning the mass murder from October 7, a single day, while you support and defend the mass murder which has been ongoing since then, for about 21 months, which is 660 days - EVERY DAY??

Sir, was your reply directed at me personally? because it sure sounded like it, if it was, you got

my post all wrong and infect the whole subject as well, and if it wasn't, then forget about.

22 hours ago, Chris.C said:

Hmmm, very interesting and ironic from your holy book,

 

 (Ezra 9:6):

“O my God, I am too ashamed and disgraced to lift up my face to you, my God, because our sins are higher than our heads and our guilt has reached to the heavens”

 

Now I was educated by nuns and remember very well.

 

Ezra is:

Ashamed on behalf of the people.

Expressing a deep sense of collective guilt.

Emotionally overwhelmed by how far his community had strayed from God's law.

 

Are you feeling  guilty about what is happening in Gaza?

 

Didn't knew that you're holier than thou, and if I'll be looking for preacher, I'll sure to give you a call.

Albanese had some interesting comments about that guy in Israel that keep denying there is starvation

 

PM blasts Gaza hunger denial as Liberals sidestep

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/albanese-slams-israels-denial-starvation-025335646.html

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20250728-it-s-an-engineered-starvation-campaign-against-civilians-women-and-children-in-the-gaza-strip

 

Gaza: 'It's an engineered starvation campaign against civilians, women and children' (Oxfam)

9 hours ago, ChipButty said:

No, Gaza Isn’t Starving – Here’s Proof in Under 60 Seconds

 

 

Oh no, another one who disagrees with over 100 aid agencies.

Sound like an Israeli to me, do you really think this has any weight? Surely not.

Just now, Chris.C said:

Oh no, another one who disagrees with over 100 aid agencies.

Sound like an Israeli to me, do you really think this has any weight? Surely not.

Lol yes all of us are Israelis and the Jews are out to get you

14 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

All the people who committed atrocities against Israel on Oct 7th should be brought to justice and eliminated from society,

 

   And how should that happen ?

Who is going to bring the Palestinian war criminals to justice ?

Who is going to arrest them and which Court will they get taken to ?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 And how should that happen ?

Who is going to bring the Palestinian war criminals to justice ?

Who is going to arrest them and which Court will they get taken to ?

 

 

I would have thought the International Court of Justice in The Hague as the prime candidate, the only problem there is Israel and its main ally the USA don't recognise them.

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

I would have thought the International Court of Justice in The Hague as the prime candidate, the only problem there is Israel and its main ally the USA don't recognise them.

 

   The ICJ isn't taking any action though and they have no interest .

So, how else with the Palestine war criminals  be bought to justice ?

 

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The ICJ isn't taking any action though and they have no interest .

So, how else with the Palestine war criminals  be bought to justice ?

 

 

My mistake, I said ICJ where I should have said ICC.

 

Hamas leaders in Gaza have been killed by Israel.

 

I am of the opinion that this War/Conflict will be going on forever or until religion is irradicated. 

 

Best idea I have is drop 3 H/bombs, 1 in Nazareth in the north, 1 in Jerusalem in the middle and the other in Beersheba in the south, problem solved.

 

 

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

My mistake, I said ICJ where I should have said ICC.

 

Hamas leaders in Gaza have been killed by Israel.

I am of the opinion that this War/Conflict will be going on forever or until religion is irradicated. 

Best idea I have is drop 3 H/bombs, 1 in Nazareth in the north, 1 in Jerusalem in the middle and the other in Beersheba in the south, problem solved.

 

 

   So, you are in favour of a complete genocide and everyone should be killed ?

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So, you are in favour of a complete genocide and everyone should be killed ?

 

Sounds good to me, only thing missing would be to get all the Worlds political leaders visiting Israel at the same time, job done.

Bye bye and thanks for all the fish.

31 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Sounds good to me, only thing missing would be to get all the Worlds political leaders visiting Israel at the same time, job done.

Bye bye and thanks for all the fish.

 

   So you are in favour of all the Palestinians being killed 

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   So you are in favour of all the Palestinians being killed 

 

We've all got to go sometime, I'm sure going alongside 9.5 million Israeli's will sweeten the pill for all the Palestinians, don't you think?

NYT quietly alters Gaza starvation story to include key details of child's medical condition

 

“We have since learned new information, including from the hospital that treated" Gazan child Mohammed Zakaria al-Mutawaq, the New York Times wrote.

 

We have appended an Editors' Note to a story about Mohammed Zakaria al-Mutawaq, a child in Gaza who was diagnosed with severe malnutrition. After publication, The Times learned that he also had pre-existing health problems

 

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-862667

On 7/29/2025 at 12:45 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I have no ide what you are going on about .

Chris posted A.I induced content 

I haven't posted A.I induced content 

Also, I have no ide who PAC is 

 

Sir, if you really have no idea what AIPAC is then I question your qualification to take part in this sub forum.

 

The American Israel Public Affairs Committee was founded in 1954 and acts as an agent of the Israeli government with a "stranglehold" on the US Congress by spending significant amounts for the campaigns of those congressmen who vote for the political decisions favored by AIPAC, while at the same time spending huge amounts to defeat those, who would not allow AIPAC to dictate them their decisions.

 

AIPAC, is de facto an agent for a foreign government controlling the US government.

 

As a result, Israel gets Billions from the US and returns Millions back to AIPAC, which then supports pro-Israel candidates making them win their elections so that they can vote for more funds for Israel in Congress.

 

Now if that is not a return of investment then I don't know what.

 

The government of the most powerful country on our planet is controlled by a foreign entity which is antithetical to its highest values leading to the US sanction the ICC, an independent court based on international law and human rights to protect war criminals like Netanyahu and even invites him to Congress, where he gets standing ovations for lying through his teeth by saying things like in Rafa less than two dozen Palestinians were killed.

 

Mass murderers and monsters like Assad, al Mahdi, Lobamba , al Bashir, al Ghaddafi and even Putin are pleased by their new and unexpected ally, the US,  weakening the ICC.

 

This goes so far that AIPAC even openly brags about their power on their website.

 

 

 

Think about it: with US money Israel can afford free education and free healthcare for its citizens while US citizens can barely afford them.

The land of the free?

Free what?

Free health care and education? Rather free from that, while paying for others to get it.