So they intend to recognise a terrorist run country? That sounds about right for the idiots making this statement. If Hamas was not present and running the area there would be a good reason to consider it but it is a stupid idea to consider when Hamas are still in charge of the area.

2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

See the two posts above, were they anymore capable of supporting themselves back then or was it something you personally intended to contribute to?

The Palestinians were able to support themselves 78 years ago, before the UK and the UN decided in 1947 to divide the territory into three areas: one occupied by Palestinians, one by the Jews called Israel, and one to be shared between both (the West Bank). At that time, the division was about fifty-fifty (see map below). Since then, the Israelis have, by military force, taken most of the rest and forced the Palestinians into a small area along the southern coast called Gaza. The West Bank is still theoretically considered a shared zone, but Israel has seized much of the land of the Palestinians who live there. I'm sure if Israel had its way, the West Bank would be totally theirs also. 

Hopefully, declarations of support for a Palestinian state, like the one that is the topic of this forum, will continue to grow, and eventually, I hope Israel will be forced to agree to a two-state solution, which will push them back to something more like the 1947 borders (see map below).

21 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I recognized the Palestinian's right to a state many years ago... 

 

So where do you want this recognised state to be? are you in favour of the dissolution of Syria? They had a state called Gaza, look how they messed that up

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The Palestinians were able to support themselves 78 years ago, before the UK and the UN decided in 1947 to divide the territory into three areas: one occupied by Palestinians, one by the Jews called Israel, and one to be shared between both (the West Bank). At that time, the division was about fifty-fifty (see map below). Since then, the Israelis have, by military force, taken most of the rest and forced the Palestinians into a small area along the southern coast called Gaza. The West Bank is still theoretically considered a shared zone, but Israel has seized much of the land of the Palestinians who live there. I'm sure if Israel had its way, the West Bank would be totally theirs also. 

Hopefully, declarations of support for a Palestinian state, like the one that is the topic of this forum, will continue to grow, and eventually, I hope Israel will be forced to agree to a two-state solution, which will push them back to something more like the 1947 borders (see map below).

 

That was never a country any more than New England is and does not show the whole mandate, what about the other Arab countries now occupying 'Palestine'?

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The Palestinians were able to support themselves 78 years ago

how many of them was there back then, and   how did they "support" themselves?   begging?

32 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, I told many people, and posted it online, even here on AseanNow Forums. 🙂

Yes, many people cared. Most of them disagreed with it, and some were very insulted by it. 😞Now, it seems like this recognition of Palestine's rights is becoming more accepted. 

Think back 20 years. They got their recognition in Gaza. All the Jews left with their dead and the Palestinians elected Hamas for 4 years. They never had another election. Wonder why. To busy building tunnel's and trying to murder Jews. Oh and teaching their children to hate. Why would Israel think it would be different this time? Only a fool would think that, (with all due respect!)

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

That was never a country any more than New England is and does not show the whole mandate, what about the other Arab countries now occupying 'Palestine'?

Yes, I agree. Palestine never was a country. It was a territory controlled by the UK. But in 1947, the UN did establish Israel as a country, and divided the area called Palestine up as shown in the maps above. Since then, Israel has, by military force, expanded itself into the territory known as Palestine.

Other Arab countries, as far as I know, support the Palestinians' claim to their territory and would support them becoming a country. 

Come September, they'll all renege on the virtue-signaling. It will never happen.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

But in 1947, the UN did establish Israel as a country, and divided the area called Palestine up as shown in the maps above.

 

   The U.N established both Israel and Palestine as Countries .

Two Countries were formed that day , Israel and Palestine 

 

3 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Think back 20 years. They got their recognition in Gaza. All the Jews left with their dead and the Palestinians elected Hamas for 4 years. They never had another election. Wonder why. To busy building tunnel's and trying to murder Jews. Oh and teaching their children to hate. Why would Israel think it would be different this time? Only a fool would think that, (with all due respect!)

I do think what you suggest is horrible, but the Palestinians didn't just hate the Jews for nothing. They hated the Jews for expanding into their territory and killing many of their people. Don't you admit that's what Israel is doing right now, killing Palestinians and teaching their children, and trying to get many other countries to hate them? 

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The U.N established both Israel and Palestine as Countries .

Two Countries were formed that day , Israel and Palestine 

 

I wish that had been the case, but I don't think it is. I think the UN only recognized Israel as a country, and left the rest of the Palestinian territory as-is (as-was). 

15 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The Palestinians were able to support themselves 78 years ago, before the UK and the UN decided in 1947 to divide the territory into three areas: one occupied by Palestinians, one by the Jews called Israel, and one to be shared between both (the West Bank). At that time, the division was about fifty-fifty (see map below). Since then, the Israelis have, by military force, taken most of the rest and forced the Palestinians into a small area along the southern coast called Gaza. The West Bank is still theoretically considered a shared zone, but Israel has seized much of the land of the Palestinians who live there. I'm sure if Israel had its way, the West Bank would be totally theirs also. 

Hopefully, declarations of support for a Palestinian state, like the one that is the topic of this forum, will continue to grow, and eventually, I hope Israel will be forced to agree to a two-state solution, which will push them back to something more like the 1947 borders (see map below).

 

   That was debunked the last time that you posted it .

It wasn't called Palestine in 1946

19 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The Palestinians were able to support themselves 78 years ago, before the UK and the UN decided in 1947 to divide the territory into three areas: one occupied by Palestinians, one by the Jews called Israel, and one to be shared between both (the West Bank). At that time, the division was about fifty-fifty (see map below). Since then, the Israelis have, by military force, taken most of the rest and forced the Palestinians into a small area along the southern coast called Gaza. The West Bank is still theoretically considered a shared zone, but Israel has seized much of the land of the Palestinians who live there. I'm sure if Israel had its way, the West Bank would be totally theirs also. 

Hopefully, declarations of support for a Palestinian state, like the one that is the topic of this forum, will continue to grow, and eventually, I hope Israel will be forced to agree to a two-state solution, which will push them back to something more like the 1947 borders (see map below).

 

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That was debunked the last time that you posted it .

It wasn't called Palestine in 1946

It was called Palestine. It was under British rule and was never an independent state, even after 1947 when the state of Isreal was carved out of it.

History of the State of Palestine - Wikipedia

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

I disagree with your "real" maps, but even they show that the state of Israel has expanded since its creation in 1947. And how did it expand? It did so by military force. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I disagree with your "real" maps, but even they show that the state of Israel has expanded since its creation in 1947. And how did it expand? It did so by military force. 

 

   Yes after Israel was attacked in 1967 , Israel used military force to repel the invaders and Israel took the land when the invaders surrendered and left the land 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes after Israel was attacked in 1967 , Israel used military force to repel the invaders and Israel took the land when the invaders surrendered and left the land 

There have been attacks by both sides since 1948. This is what I keep saying about the horrible attack by Hamas on October 7, two years ago. I say it wasn't a "new war," it was just a new chapter in a war that has existed for almost 80 years.

It's really simple, Hamas disarms, leaves power and releases any hostages, plus gives control of the Gaza strip to the West Bank Palestinian authorities in return for security guarantees for Israel and the access of aid and help. All terrorist governments should be dismantled and Hamas fits this MO. This is the only way both sides can save face and move forward.

And before the shills yap yap yap... it was Hamas that started this in the most awful way. What was Hamas expecting as a response? Everyone knows that the Israelis don't have a sense of humour when it comes to security, never have had one and rightly so.

There should already be a "Palestine" as Clinton almost did it in the 90s, but Arafat said "No"... reap what you sow, I'm afraid. Always like this.

1 hour ago, Sir Dude said:

It's really simple, Hamas disarms, leaves power and releases any hostages, plus gives control of the Gaza strip to the West Bank Palestinian authorities in return for security guarantees for Israel and the access of aid and help. All terrorist governments should be dismantled and Hamas fits this MO. This is the only way both sides can save face and move forward.

And before the shills yap yap yap... it was Hamas that started this in the most awful way. What was Hamas expecting as a response? Everyone knows that the Israelis don't have a sense of humour when it comes to security, never have had one and rightly so.

There should already be a "Palestine" as Clinton almost did it in the 90s, but Arafat said "No"... reap what you sow, I'm afraid. Always like this.

Hamas did not start this war, don’t be so foolish! You do know Operation Shield and Arrow in MAY 2023, why isn’t that mentioned, or Operation Cast Lead or many others over the years?
You obviously know nothing about the deal Clinton offered.
You Jews always come out with this nonsense that it is the Palestinian who refused the deal, they were offered a tiny, fragmented pice of land despite being half the population! 
1947 plan, Jews get 55% of the land but are only 33% of the population!!!!!

Later in 2000, the offer was most West Bank and Gaza, but Israel control the borders and airspace, and no sovereignty for Palestine. Only an idiot would accept these terms. There was serious momentum toward a two-state solution in the 1990s. Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat signed the Oslo Accords – a historic step toward peace.
Rabin believed in a negotiated two-state solution and was willing to take major risks to achieve it. Tragically, he was assassinated in 1995 by an Israeli extremist who opposed the peace process.

While Rabin’s assassin acted alone, many say that right-wing politicians and protest movements created the conditions for the assassination. Notably, Benjamin Netanyahu, then the opposition leader, appeared at rallies where Rabin was portrayed as a traitor and Nazi collaborator. Those events included inflammatory imagery and slogans. Netanyahu failed to condemn the hate-fueled rhetoric and inflamed tensions. After Rabin’s murder, Netanyahu came to power shortly after – and many believe the peace process lost its most credible Israeli advocate.

At the 2000 Camp David Summit, President Clinton and Prime Minister Ehud Barak made another attempt at peace.The deal left several core Palestinian demands unresolved, especially on East Jerusalem, borders, and refugees' right of return and full sovereignty. Arafat was also under immense pressure from within the Palestinian movement and across the Arab world – and likely feared the political fallout of accepting terms seen as inadequate.Clinton had already sold out to the Israel lobbyists in the US with his largest donors being:- 

 

Haim Saban – Israeli-American media mogul, with a strong pro-Israel stance.

George Soros – Hungarian-American financier of Jewish heritage.

Steven Spielberg – the Pro-Israeli filmmaker.

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

There have been attacks by both sides since 1948. This is what I keep saying about the horrible attack by Hamas on October 7, two years ago. I say it wasn't a "new war," it was just a new chapter in a war that has existed for almost 80 years.

 

   War was declared on Oct 7 th 2023 .

A declaration of war was made on that date .

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

There have been attacks by both sides since 1948. This is what I keep saying about the horrible attack by Hamas on October 7, two years ago. I say it wasn't a "new war," it was just a new chapter in a war that has existed for almost 80 years.

Exactly, Oct 7 was used as an excuse for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. Strange how Israel can stop anyone from being hurt when Iran sends 300 ballistic missiles, and hundreds of drones yet can’t stop a few guys on paraglides from killing 1200 people.

How long did it take for the IDF to get to that music festival?

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   War was declared on Oct 7 th 2023 .

A declaration of war was made on that date .

Netanyahu was doing cartwheels, as his final solution was being realized.

Just now, Chris.C said:

Netanyahu was doing cartwheels, as his final solution was being realized.

 

   Cant criticise him for taking advantage of the situation .

An opportunity that shouldn't be missed 

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   War was declared on Oct 7 th 2023 .

A declaration of war was made on that date .

Yes, Israel may have done that, but Oct 7 was just another chapter  (war?) in the continuing military actions between Israel and the Palestinian people.

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   War was declared on Oct 7 th 2023 .

A declaration of war was made on that date .

What about the 1000s of hostages in Israel prisons, yes the ones who wears not given trials?
What about all the illegal settlements, are the Palestinians supposed to roll over and say please stick it up me one more time and have my house and land?
They tried peaceful protests and your soldiers shot them in the kneecaps.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-03-06/ty-article-magazine/.highlight/42-knees-in-one-day-israeli-snipers-open-up-about-shooting-gaza-protesters/0000017f-f2da-d497-a1ff-f2dab2520000

Over 200 Palestinians were killed and nearly 8,000 were injured during almost two years of weekly protests at the Israel-Gaza border. Israeli army snipers tell their stories

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Cant criticise him for taking advantage of the situation .

An opportunity that shouldn't be missed 

True, you and many other Jews see it this way.

Sadly for you, the world is aware now of the whole plan.

Just now, Chris.C said:

True, you and many other Jews see it this way.

Sadly for you, the world is aware now of the whole plan.

 

  You've started again .

I will not reply to you if you keep sticking labels on me .

Try to converse without clamming that I belong to any particularly group,

Otherwise we cannot have a discussion 

Go ahead Canada, but please do not send those folks to America ok.  You can keep them up North. 

 

Thanks.

32 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, Israel may have done that, but Oct 7 was just another chapter  (war?) in the continuing military actions between Israel and the Palestinian people.

 

   There is no getting away from the fact that the current war and Israel's invasion of Gaza is a direct result of the Oct 7 th terror attack by Hamas

   Palestinians caused this current  war  

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