1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Agreed, I have no problems with it. Just don't like the hobbled together nature of the new layouts. I liked it when things were separated properly, like in Win 7. Segregation is greatly underrated.

 

Only a bloody fool would run Linux, obviously.

Troll post. GFY.

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Troll post. GFY.

Agreed - him and frog guy should get a room............ 

20 hours ago, topt said:

Agreed - him and frog guy should get a room............ 

 

Yeah, anyone who doesnt like Linux is a troll. LOL. 

 

9 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Disable the TPM and it will stop asking.

what is  tpm?

On 8/4/2025 at 10:34 PM, Lacessit said:

The people at Technocom were aghast when when I uninstalled Windows 11 from my new laptop, and installed Linux Mint.

 

If I wanted an OS perpetually spying on me............

 

 

It's the first thing I did when I got my bee mini. I even removed and replaced the m2 ssd with the virgin windows on it so if I ever needed windows on any computer(highly doubtful) I'd have it. 

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, anyone who doesnt like Linux is a troll. LOL. 

 

Anyone who calls Linux users fools is a troll.

 

Before I had Linux, I had the abortion called Windows Vista. Then Windows 7, which acquired a virus so virulent the hard drive was completely corrupted.

 

I get it. People who pay money for an OS that is under daily attack by hackers are the smart ones. People who use a free OS where attacks are far less frequent, for a number of reasons, are fools.

 

 

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Anyone who calls Linux users fools is a troll.

 

Before I had Linux, I had the abortion called Windows Vista. Then Windows 7, which acquired a virus so virulent the hard drive was completely corrupted.

 

I get it. People who pay money for an OS that is under daily attack by hackers are the smart ones. People who use a free OS where attacks are far less frequent, for a number of reasons, are fools.

 

 

 

Ok, I will read up on Linux. 

 

Actually, I just did a quick search and one benefit of Linux is the system requirements. Some people may need to upgrade their laptop to meet Windows 11 requirements, but not for Linux.

 

I'm not even sure if my laptop meets the specs for 11. Then Linux might become an option for me to avoid having to upgrade the laptop.

 

 

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Ok, I will read up on Linux. 

 

Don't bother. You've already proved you don't know your arse from your elbow.

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Don't bother. You've already proved you don't know your arse from your elbow.

 

I didn't have any problems with Windows 10.

No hacking, no viruses. 

So why would I want to bother with the hassle of figuring out another operating system?

But now, it may be a bit different because Windows seems to moving towards the cloud. 

 

Microsoft is offering an Extended Security Updates (ESU) program for Windows 10 users who want to continue receiving security updates after the official end-of-support date (October 14, 2025). The cost for individual users is $30 per year.

 

Micro$oft = ChaChing

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I didn't have any problems with Windows 10.

No hacking, no viruses. 

So why would I want to bother with the hassle of figuring out another operating system?

But now, it may be a bit different because Windows seems to moving towards the cloud. 

 

There are hacks in Windows which never see the light of day. I think Microsoft calls it "Patch Tuesday".

 

All I can say is once I had Linux installed. I never had another malware problem. Wild horses would not drag me back to Windows.

 

I have probably saved several months of my time, by not waiting for an unwieldy OS with fatware hanging off it to boot up.

9 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Microsoft is offering an Extended Security Updates (ESU) program for Windows 10 users who want to continue receiving security updates after the official end-of-support date (October 14, 2025). The cost for individual users is $30 per year.

 

Micro$oft = ChaChing

Gee, I get free security updates. What am I doing wrong?

@save the frogs @HappyExpat57 Updates for another year are available for free if you agree to sign in using a Microsoft account and to use their Backup service to back up your settings.

 

Here is how to approach it when offered: 

 

Once completed, you can remove the Microsoft account and revert to a Local account, if you wish.

On 8/4/2025 at 9:50 AM, cliveshep said:

Just bought a new desktop pc based on recommendations from readers on here, a Bee mini computer that is actually very good except.............it comes pre-loaded with activated Windows 11. I would have happily stayed with Windows 10 except cunning Microsoft make sure one has to upgrade (purchase) by withdrawing support. Not that Windows 10 was that remarkable but by the time support was being  potentially withdrawn they did at least get it to work reasonably well.

 

Windows 11 does seem to work but comes with a cunning plan built in as Blackadder (UK TV sitcom) would say. I saves one's documents 'in the cloud' and this includes one's videos. It's free and maybe you'd never know unless and until you reached the 5GB storage limit when it promptly starts not working, not allowing the opening of saved videos because the limit has been exceeded as happened to me, and presenting a table of charges associated with increasing storage capacity.

 

The file system in Windows 11 saves to the 'cloud' by default as I discovered, the folder 'documents' is not stored on my SSD. After some research I found one could cancel the 'synching' and manually set up a temporary folder, downloading painstakingly everything held in this ephemeral 'cloud' into this folder on the pc, and then delete everything on the 'OneDrive' and disconnect the synching function. I was then able to go into system and delete OneDrive and also Microsoft 365 Co-pilot, another Microsoft con trick built in.

 

Having done this, and deleting emails from Microsoft insisting I reinstate OneDrive, I found that Windows 11 would only save documents to a folder called 'Documents', by default. No surprises there so I renamed my docs folder on the SSD to 'Documents' and now Windows 11 is happy it seems.

 

Some might say 5GB is ample and stay with OneDrive but sensitive Banking info and passwords I feel should not be entrusted to an outside storage facility, especially one owned by Microsoft for fear of data breaches - I'm sure it is only a matter of time. I want to be in control of my own destiny and not be controlled by Ai which after all was designed by fallible men. After all, clouds get blown about by every puff of wind so I take that as a warning.

for passwords etc create an Xcel sheet and lock it with a password, extra security.

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

what is  tpm?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module

 
 

Quote

 

A Trusted Platform Module (TPM) is a secure cryptoprocessor that implements the ISO/IEC 11889 standard. Common uses are verifying that the boot process starts from a trusted combination of hardware and software and storing disk encryption keys.

 

A TPM 2.0 implementation is part of the Windows 11 system requirements

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, MJCM said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module

 
 

 

 

A genuine thanks for the reply but to be honest Its all over my head and I'm sorry I asked.   Think I will just continue to decline their offers,   they do seem to be getting more cunning in trying to get me to change up though. 

I am at a loss to understand why , its not going to be for my benefit is it , and if it is a free upgrade like they say , then what's in it for them

2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

A genuine thanks for the reply but to be honest Its all over my head and I'm sorry I asked.   Think I will just continue to decline their offers,   they do seem to be getting more cunning in trying to get me to change up though. 

I am at a loss to understand why , its not going to be for my benefit is it , and if it is a free upgrade like they say , then what's in it for them

There are ways around all those requirements but they will only work until MS decides to enforce all the requirements  What MS is thinking no one knows. They even said that Windows 10 is the last version ever, and now there is even "rumors" about Windows 12.

IMHO Microsoft is the best marketing company for alternate Operating Systems. I am seriously considering to switch to MAC OS.

 Windows 11 has been in circulation for almost 4 years and has had far fewer issues than Windows 10.  Windows 10 was released in July 2015. It is 10 years old and obsolete. Patching obsolete software still leaves vulnerabilities. It is unreasonable to expect software that  was introduced a decade ago will be perfectly compatible with new software.  I have been on Win 11 since inception and have no complaints. After my last update, I didn't like the response, so I restored and updated again. Much easier to do with Win 11. 

There is no plot by Microsoft because the update to Win 11 was free. I don't use the cloud. I have a MS 365 subscription. 

3 minutes ago, MJCM said:

There are ways around all those requirements but they will only work until MS decides to enforce all the requirements  What MS is thinking no one knows. They even said that Windows 10 is the last version ever, and now there is even "rumors" about Windows 12.

IMHO Microsoft is the best marketing company for alternate Operating Systems. I am seriously considering to switch to MAC OS.

Don't blame you,  but I would  resent paying the ridiculous prices that apple stuff costs,  I only surf the net and send emails with the occasional attachment, and occasionally print stuff off for immigration etc.  Could probably do it all with my phone but i like the laptop  and find the phone a bit "fiddly"

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 Windows 11 has been in circulation for almost 4 years and has had far fewer issues than Windows 10.  Windows 10 was released in July 2015. It is 10 years old and obsolete. Patching obsolete software still leaves vulnerabilities. It is unreasonable to expect software that  was introduced a decade ago will be perfectly compatible with new software.  I have been on Win 11 since inception and have no complaints. After my last update, I didn't like the response, so I restored and updated again. Much easier to do with Win 11. 

There is no plot by Microsoft because the update to Win 11 was free. I don't use the cloud. I have a MS 365 subscription. 

I have never had any issues with win 10   I just wish they could leave things alone  I'm too old for all this now,   Suffering from the big c and the side effects of chemo and all the other cr@p they are pumping into makes me even less inclined to be "adventurous"  , call me old school or just plain old, it is what it is

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

Gee, I get free security updates. What am I doing wrong?

not for long unfortunately if what that member says is true, $30 per person  they will be rolling in it. 

As an aside my mate in the UK switched all the updates off years ago on the advice of his computer  geek mate  along with all his antivirus stuff and has never had an issue in years

As I said in a previous post I have also binned the anti virus stuff with no issues

7 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

not for long unfortunately if what that member says is true, $30 per person  they will be rolling in it. 

As an aside my mate in the UK switched all the updates off years ago on the advice of his computer  geek mate  along with all his antivirus stuff and has never had an issue in years

As I said in a previous post I have also binned the anti virus stuff with no issues

The Cut off date by MS for Window 10 is 14 October 2025, so after that date NO more updates.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-support-ends-on-october-14-2025-2ca8b313-1946-43d3-b55c-2b95b107f281


An alternative is 0Patch, that is Eur 25 +/- per year but that will support Windows 10 for many more years, they even still support Windows 7

https://0patch.com/

Ps: Not affiliated

3 minutes ago, MJCM said:

The Cut off date by MS for Window 10 is 14 October 2025, so after that date NO more updates.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-support-ends-on-october-14-2025-2ca8b313-1946-43d3-b55c-2b95b107f281

fair enough I was only quoting what another member said about 10 posts back    ie

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Microsoft is offering an Extended Security Updates (ESU) program for Windows 10 users who want to continue receiving security updates after the official end-of-support date (October 14, 2025). The cost for individual users is $30 per year.

 

Micro$oft = ChaChing

 

4 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

fair enough I was only quoting what another member said about 10 posts back    ie

 

ESU for consumers by MS is what I understand only for 1 year so in Oct 2026 you would be looking for another solution again.

Edit: Found it

 

Quote

The last day of support for Windows 10 is October 14, 2025. If you need more time to move to Windows 11, we recommend you enroll your Windows 10 device in ESU. You can enroll in ESU any time until the program ends on October 13, 2026. 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-consumer-extended-security-updates-esu-program-33e17de9-36b3-43bb-874d-6c53d2e4bf42

1 minute ago, MJCM said:

ESU for consumers by MS is what I understand only for 1 year so in Oct 2026 you would be looking for another solution again.

well I certainly  won't be paying $30 to MS and probably won't still be around in october 2026  so I'm not too worried, I'm pretty sure I will be able to use win 10 without issues in the mean time, Last time I checked my win 7 device still worked just fine for what I needed

Just now, Bday Prang said:

well I certainly  won't be paying $30 to MS and probably won't still be around in october 2026  so I'm not too worried, I'm pretty sure I will be able to use win 10 without issues in the mean time, Last time I checked my win 7 device still worked just fine for what I needed

Have a read on "Opatch".....🤗

12 hours ago, SMIAI said:

Updates for another year are available for free

But you are just delaying the inevitable.

 

I might look into it if my current laptop doesnt meet the windows 11 specs. better to use this route than buy a new laptop now when my laptop is working fine.

 

But thanks.

On 8/4/2025 at 9:50 AM, cliveshep said:

Just bought a new desktop pc based on recommendations from readers on here, a Bee mini computer that is actually very good except.............it comes pre-loaded with activated Windows 11. I would have happily stayed with Windows 10 except cunning Microsoft make sure one has to upgrade (purchase) by withdrawing support. Not that Windows 10 was that remarkable but by the time support was being  potentially withdrawn they did at least get it to work reasonably well.

 

Windows 11 does seem to work but comes with a cunning plan built in as Blackadder (UK TV sitcom) would say. I saves one's documents 'in the cloud' and this includes one's videos. It's free and maybe you'd never know unless and until you reached the 5GB storage limit when it promptly starts not working, not allowing the opening of saved videos because the limit has been exceeded as happened to me, and presenting a table of charges associated with increasing storage capacity.

 

The file system in Windows 11 saves to the 'cloud' by default as I discovered, the folder 'documents' is not stored on my SSD. After some research I found one could cancel the 'synching' and manually set up a temporary folder, downloading painstakingly everything held in this ephemeral 'cloud' into this folder on the pc, and then delete everything on the 'OneDrive' and disconnect the synching function. I was then able to go into system and delete OneDrive and also Microsoft 365 Co-pilot, another Microsoft con trick built in.

 

Having done this, and deleting emails from Microsoft insisting I reinstate OneDrive, I found that Windows 11 would only save documents to a folder called 'Documents', by default. No surprises there so I renamed my docs folder on the SSD to 'Documents' and now Windows 11 is happy it seems.

 

Some might say 5GB is ample and stay with OneDrive but sensitive Banking info and passwords I feel should not be entrusted to an outside storage facility, especially one owned by Microsoft for fear of data breaches - I'm sure it is only a matter of time. I want to be in control of my own destiny and not be controlled by Ai which after all was designed by fallible men. After all, clouds get blown about by every puff of wind so I take that as a warning.

 

So much misinformation in this its hard to know where to start!

When setting up a new PC, Microsoft encourages users to sign into OneDrive, and if you do, it may automatically sync your Desktop, Documents, and Pictures folders to the cloud. But this behavior can be disabled easily, and you can use Windows 11 entirely offline if you prefer.

Your files are still stored locally unless OneDrive sync is enabled.

It sounds like your system was set to sync with OneDrive, which is why your files appeared to be “in the cloud.” But that’s not a limitation of Windows 11—it’s just a default setting that can be changed.

You don’t need to rename folders or delete OneDrive entirely.

You can simply unlink OneDrive from your account and change the default save locations in Settings → System → Storage → Advanced storage settings → Where new content is saved. That way, your files go straight to your SSD without any cloud involvement.

Windows 11 isn’t a trap—it just requires a bit of setup to make it behave the way you want.

Blackadder might call it cunning, but I call it configurable. Once you tame the defaults, Windows 11 can be as obedient as Baldrick—minus the turnips.

 

 

23 minutes ago, transam said:

Have a read on "Opatch".....🤗

My PC was turned off for 2 months *in and out of hospital* but reading all about the issues with the updates and that MS is even putting in "Nagware" to "force" you to get ESU.

So my first thing when I got home was, disabled Windows Update and installed 0Patch. I am now on their 30 day trial.

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Gee, I get free security updates. What am I doing wrong?

Read my post again. The devil's in the details.