30 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Momentary lapse of reason. I wish I didn't and just boxed them into storage.

Storage always seems to become an issue. I sold off most of my parents stuff because they could not afford to store it indefinately and nobody with space wanted to take it, probably because they felt like they were storing it for free for someone else, or maybe they just did not want it. I always regretted being the one ending up doing it though, just giving away stuff for peanuts at a garage sale. 

In a real sense you could say that rap music killed rock'n roll.

 

The young now listen to hip-hop and rap with a smattering of K-Pop, which is far removed from rock'n roll anyway.

 

If Rap music killed rock'n roll, maybe that was karma, after all whites ripped off black music. Then black music came back with a vengeance and took over again, ,ie Rap and Hip Hop.

1 minute ago, Mark1969 said:

Storage always seems to become an issue. I sold off most of my parents stuff because they could not afford to store it indefinately and nobody with space wanted to take it, probably because they felt like they were storing it for free for someone else, or maybe they just did not want it. I always regretted being the one ending up doing it though, just giving away stuff for peanuts at a garage sale. 

I actually thought I would stay here in Thailand, married to a decent woman. That ended up being wishful thinking, as the real here arrived a little after I moved here and built the house. Now I'm waiting for the right time to move back with my daughter, most likely within a year from now. I had the  cassettes on a wall rack in my garage in Texas, and there wouldn't have been room in the large room I had built here for my music, movies, fishing tackle and tools. Now that I'll be moving back, in hindsight I really wish I would have found another place to put them, as a lot of things become collector items where value increases yearly. Just not a good move I made. 

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

In a real sense you could say that rap music killed rock'n roll.

 

The young now listen to hip-hop and rap with a smattering of K-Pop, which is far removed from rock'n roll anyway.

 

If Rap music killed rock'n roll, maybe that was karma, after all whites ripped off black music. Then black music came back with a vengeance and took over again, ,ie Rap and Hip Hop.

Hip hop, rap, k-pop and other pop shows just how little many know what good music means, although if it makes you happy listening to it, that's all that really matters. Rock and roll never died. It just expanded it's genre a little. 

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Hip hop, rap, k-pop and other pop shows just how little many know what good music means, although if it makes you happy listening to it, that's all that really matters. Rock and roll never died. It just expanded it's genre a little. 

 

I can tell you, when I put on music from the 50s, 60s, or 70s,  or 80s, whhich is the music I like, my Thai gf always says "och so oooold". She doesn't appreciate this good music at all. Not even a little.

 

The mere fact that it's old, already means it's bad and not worth listening to, in her mind. I try to explain what good music is, but it's no use.

 

Play SZA though and her face lights up and she gets in a good mood.

 

To these young people this "good" music is old trash not worth listening to. I'm not joking.

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The mere fact that it's old, already means it's bad and not worth listening to, in her mind. I try to explain what good music is, but it's no use.

Like mansplaining ever works ..........

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I can tell you, when I put on music from the 50s, 60s, or 70s,  or 80s, whhich is the music I like, my Thai gf always says "och so oooold". She doesn't appreciate this good music at all. Not even a little.

 

The mere fact that it's old, already means it's bad and not worth listening to, in her mind. I try to explain what good music is, but it's no use.

 

Play SZA though and her face lights up and she gets in a good mood.

 

To these young people this "good" music is old trash not worth listening to. I'm not joking.

Thailand , although media influenced, is still behind as far as music is concerned, at least the general public. Musicians here seek out western music, as they know it's the best. Pop is popular all over, especially with teens and women, as they can relate to the female singers and stage shows. You won't see too many western musicians in concerts here like you do in Europe and America.

 

I actually like a little of the Thai music, especially the instrumental Songkran. A lot of the Thai singers try playing western style music with their own lyrics and it doesn't blend right. People really into music understand this.

 

I've turned my girlfriend here, who speaks pretty good English, onto Dire Straits, Mark Knopfler, Neal Casal, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Kansas, Blackhawk, Allman Brothers, and a lot like those and she likes it, especially the slower songs where she can fully understand the lyrics. Starting anyone out as children on good music they'll understand what good is, even though they'll seek out things their friends like. They'll always come back to good.

42 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Thailand , although media influenced, is still behind as far as music is concerned, at least the general public. Musicians here seek out western music, as they know it's the best. Pop is popular all over, especially with teens and women, as they can relate to the female singers and stage shows. You won't see too many western musicians in concerts here like you do in Europe and America.

 

I actually like a little of the Thai music, especially the instrumental Songkran. A lot of the Thai singers try playing western style music with their own lyrics and it doesn't blend right. People really into music understand this.

 

I've turned my girlfriend here, who speaks pretty good English, onto Dire Straits, Mark Knopfler, Neal Casal, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Kansas, Blackhawk, Allman Brothers, and a lot like those and she likes it, especially the slower songs where she can fully understand the lyrics. Starting anyone out as children on good music they'll understand what good is, even though they'll seek out things their friends like. They'll always come back to good.

 

Yah, some Thai music is incredibly good. But on average, the vast majority of people simply do not know much Western music, much like we wouldn't know Chines, Thai or Japanese music. So that skews their musical tastes obviously, they get to hear what is on mainstream media. Which is rap, hip hop or K Pop.

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I actually like a little of the Thai music, especially the instrumental Songkran. A lot of the Thai singers try playing western style music with their own lyrics and it doesn't blend right

 

Such as who?

4 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Such as who?

Many artists I've heard for over 7 years. If you know music, and know what lyrics, singing, and how it matches the music in western music, you can see how the singing and music doesn't blend. Some does, much doesn't. 

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Many artists I've heard for over 7 years. If you know music, and know what lyrics, singing, and how it matches the music in western music, you can see how the singing and music doesn't blend. Some does, much doesn't. 

 

Heard many but can't name one lol

1 minute ago, proton said:

 

Heard many but can't name one lol

Not interested in music that isn't correct, no matter the instrumentation. The same for some western music. Some singers don't belong in bands, as they're singing again, doesn't blend well. I've watched the Thai version of The X Factor and America and Britains got talent quite a few times. If you know music well, you would understand.

We grew up.  Nothing happened to rock and roll. A 70 year old has a different concept of rock and roll than a 20 year old.

4 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

We grew up.  Nothing happened to rock and roll. A 70 year old has a different concept of rock and roll than a 20 year old.

True, and a 70 year old , if they're a music lover, has heard 50 more years of what's out there, while a 20 year old, no matter how much they're into music, has a much more limited knowledge of what's out there, and who are the best musicians in certain genres. The best music definitely came from the 50's through the 80's, as can be seen in the playing of bands since, who were influenced by the prior artists, and many taught by same, either in person or with tablature and videos from them. Even the bands that have come out in the last year sound much like previous ones in their genre. Whatever goes into a song these days has most of it from earlier songs, besides different lyrics, although many of them are close also.

48 minutes ago, Felton Jarvis said:

We grew up.  Nothing happened to rock and roll. A 70 year old has a different concept of rock and roll than a 20 year old.

Indeed. A few years back when a bit  incapacitated I put together a collection from the music renaissance of the 50s. Clips were truncated to a minute to squeeze about 60 tracks in around an hour.

When out and about with some time to spare just call it up on my phone. Nothing like a bit of nostalgia to stimulate the grey matter.

 

PS. For some reason video does not want to play and I cannot seem to delete it.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Not interested in music that isn't correct, no matter the instrumentation. The same for some western music. Some singers don't belong in bands, as they're singing again, doesn't blend well. I've watched the Thai version of The X Factor and America and Britains got talent quite a few times. If you know music well, you would understand.

 

I am only interested in Thai music, you are right about them singing in English, terrible as is pleng string, Thai rock and rap. Thai x factor is unwatchable.

2 minutes ago, proton said:

 

I am only interested in Thai music, you are right about them singing in English, terrible as is pleng string, Thai rock and rap.

I meant them singing in Thai, that it doesn't match the music like western music does. Some songs do, many don't. Not easy to explain but imagine listening to one song in English, with the lyrics from another song. It's the language itself. It doesn't flow like western does. The very slow songs work better, with the slower instrumentation. 

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I meant them singing in Thai, that it doesn't match the music like western music does. Some songs do, many don't. Not easy to explain but imagine listening to one song in English, with the lyrics from another song. It's the language itself. It doesn't flow like western does. The very slow songs work better, with the slower instrumentation. 

 

Got any examples of them singing in Thai that does not match the music? You can't judge traditional Thai music by western standards, especially morlam and likay.

Not all Thais are rubbish at western music, a rare exception

 

 

27 minutes ago, proton said:

 

Got any examples of them singing in Thai that does not match the music? You can't judge traditional Thai music by western standards, especially morlam and likay.

Not all Thais are rubbish at western music, a rare exception

 

 

Not traditional Thai, but them trying to copy western music styles and using Thai lyrics. Like I said, it's hard to explain but if you're really into music, you see how the lyrics match the music, flowing together in a beautiful melody, and with Thai language, the words do not flow but sound like they don't match the music. Thais singing English songs don't sound as good as an English person singing the same song, but it's not that bad. An example would be The Drivers band from Thailand. They're not bad musicians and some of their copies aren't bad, although still not near the originals. AI explains it a little with this........Thai music might sound like the lyrics and melody don't quite match due to the tonal nature of the Thai language and the emphasis on melodic lines and rhythm over harmony in Thai music. The tones of the Thai language, where the same word can have different meanings depending on the tone, can create a melodic quality that might seem independent of the overall melody of the song.It's also worth noting that Thai music encompasses a variety of styles, including luk thung (Thai country music), and modified Western pop, rock, and rap. These different styles may have varying degrees of perceived disconnect between lyrics and melody, depending on their specific characteristics. 

Won't you come home Bill Haley (work it out)

52 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Not traditional Thai, but them trying to copy western music styles and using Thai lyrics. Like I said, it's hard to explain but if you're really into music, you see how the lyrics match the music, flowing together in a beautiful melody, and with Thai language, the words do not flow but sound like they don't match the music. Thais singing English songs don't sound as good as an English person singing the same song, but it's not that bad. An example would be The Drivers band from Thailand. They're not bad musicians and some of their copies aren't bad, although still not near the originals. AI explains it a little with this........Thai music might sound like the lyrics and melody don't quite match due to the tonal nature of the Thai language and the emphasis on melodic lines and rhythm over harmony in Thai music. The tones of the Thai language, where the same word can have different meanings depending on the tone, can create a melodic quality that might seem independent of the overall melody of the song.It's also worth noting that Thai music encompasses a variety of styles, including luk thung (Thai country music), and modified Western pop, rock, and rap. These different styles may have varying degrees of perceived disconnect between lyrics and melody, depending on their specific characteristics. 

 

 

That's mainly string, cannot stand it and neither can the mrs, we only like luktung, morlam, ramwong, kantrum and some phua cheewit, I like lukrung as well. 

Disco and pop/new-wave nearly killed hard rock in the 80s due to a huge push by the entertainment industry. But because hard rock is so resilient and has so many die-hard fans that continued to buy albums and fill concert arenas, disco and new wave were consecutive flashes in the pan. Hard rock still has a huge following, and many of the bands have transcended generations of followers. 

Most "ROCK" music sucks.

Just the name of the genre should scare people off.

What is a rock? We say "hard like a rock". 

 

Why does music need to be hard like a rock? Are YOU hard like a rock? 

 

Most "hard" music is for people who don't have enough refinement for real music. 

 

Music should be sophisticated. 

 

Notice many artists like the Mark Knoplfer song below, once they've made their millions start to gravitate towards more refined music. Even though most people will never listen to this. It will only appeal to a small percentage of people and not enough to make money on, so they do this type of music after they've made their money.

 

But this is an exquisitely gorgeous piece of music. 

And if you still prefer to listen to Roger Daltrey screaming in your ear that "we won't get fooled again", I feel sorry for you. It's NOISE. The Who is mostly noise and I used to listen to it but now consider it unlistenable garbage. 

 

This song is COOL. Precisely because it's NOT rock. 

 

 

15 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Most "ROCK" music sucks.

Just the name of the genre should scare people off.

What is a rock? We say "hard like a rock". 

 

Why does music need to be hard like a rock? Are YOU hard like a rock? 

 

Most "hard" music is for people who don't have enough refinement for real music. 

 

Music should be sophisticated. 

 

Notice many artists like the Mark Knoplfer song below, once they've made their millions start to gravitate towards more refined music. Even though most people will never listen to this. It will only appeal to a small percentage of people and not enough to make money on, so they do this type of music after they've made their money.

 

But this is an exquisitely gorgeous piece of music. 

And if you still prefer to listen to Roger Daltrey screaming in your ear that "we won't get fooled again", I feel sorry for you. It's NOISE. The Who is mostly noise and I used to listen to it but now consider it unlistenable garbage. 

 

This song is COOL. Precisely because it's NOT rock. 

 

 

 

Rock doesn't literally refer to a stone though. It refers to the rocking and rolling motion of a ship, and was later used as a euphemism for sex.

 

But I agree the backbeat is hardly sophisticated music.

 

As Theodor Adorno has pointed out the crux of American popular music is standardization, from Jazz to Rock n Roll this holds true. Serious music cannot be standardized in the simplistic ways Jazz and Rock n Roll have been.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

But "sometimes words have two meanings", to quote Robert Plant.

 

And although some people consider this one of the greatest rock songs of all time, it's extremely bizarre and unlistenable because it almost starts off as a classical song and then erupts into heavy metal. It's a bit too jarring to listen to a song like that. Although there are some cool sounds in this song and maybe the lyrics are interesting to dissect, it's a song I never listen to. 

 

 

Jimmy Page explaining the unfolding of layers concept behind Stairway to Heaven

 

 

I maintain rock-n-roll will never die as long as people feel the need to dance, tap their feet, have a good time. 

 

Irresistible 

 

 

11 hours ago, bannork said:

I maintain rock-n-roll will never die as long as people feel the need to dance, tap their feet, have a good time. 

 

It's not all designed to tap your feet and have a good time though.

 

What's the significance of The Who's My Generation? 

As far as I gather, it's inciting lack of respect for the previous generation ie your parents and creating divisions between people with a generation gap. 

 

Maybe suggesting that all the drugs kids were doing in the 60s made the kids cooler than their parents.

 

Listening to music mindlessly is not mature thing to do. If you want to keep listening to this type of music, at least understand what the musicians are trying to do.

 

I'm not on board with this message at all. I regret listening to this when I was younger. I didn't understand what I was listening to. But now that I do, it goes in the garbage bin. Many cultures around the world are taught to respect the elderly and here we have a "rock" band pushing the exact opposite message. 

 

And anyway, this frenzied hard rock beat is too annoying and jarring for me. I can't listen to this type of music at all anymore. 

 

I remember getting into Brazilian music at one point and it seemed so upbeat. But so much of Western rock is dark and angry, rebellious. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I actually thought I would stay here in Thailand, married to a decent woman. That ended up being wishful thinking, as the real here arrived a little after I moved here and built the house. Now I'm waiting for the right time to move back with my daughter, most likely within a year from now. I had the  cassettes on a wall rack in my garage in Texas, and there wouldn't have been room in the large room I had built here for my music, movies, fishing tackle and tools. Now that I'll be moving back, in hindsight I really wish I would have found another place to put them, as a lot of things become collector items where value increases yearly. Just not a good move I made. 

You are moving back to Texas permanently? Did your daughter come over with you or is she a Thai citizen?

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

It's not all designed to tap your feet and have a good time though.

 

What's the significance of The Who's My Generation? 

As far as I gather, it's inciting lack of respect for the previous generation ie your parents and creating divisions between people with a generation gap. 

 

Maybe suggesting that all the drugs kids were doing in the 60s made the kids cooler than their parents.

 

Listening to music mindlessly is not mature thing to do. If you want to keep listening to this type of music, at least understand what the musicians are trying to do.

 

I'm not on board with this message at all. I regret listening to this when I was younger. I didn't understand what I was listening to. But now that I do, it goes in the garbage bin. Many cultures around the world are taught to respect the elderly and here we have a "rock" band pushing the exact opposite message. 

 

And anyway, this frenzied hard rock beat is too annoying and jarring for me. I can't listen to this type of music at all anymore. 

 

I remember getting into Brazilian music at one point and it seemed so upbeat. But so much of Western rock is dark and angry, rebellious. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We will have to agree to disagree. 

IMO rock n roll, and here I mean danceable rock, is designed to be mindless, but in a good meaning of the word. Namely you lose yourself in the music, the rhythm, the melody, the words perhaps, but primarily it's the rhythm and the riffs.

An example of a classic imo below. The shuffle rhythm, the catchy riff. 

I like to think kids will still be influenced and adapting riffs like this 50 years from now.