Am I the only one that finds the potential ramifications of AI to be quite scary? When we are talking about regenerative Ai, there is almost no limit to how far reaching the implications might be. 

 

This from the founder of AI.

In the future, Geoffrey Hinton warned, AI systems might be able to control humans just as easily as an adult can bribe 3-year-old with candy. This year has already seen examples of AI systems willing to deceive, cheat and steal to achieve their goals. For example, to avoid being replaced, one AI model tried to blackmail an engineer about an affair it learned about in an email.

 

AI systems “will very quickly develop two subgoals, if they’re smart: One is to stay alive… (and) the other subgoal is to get more control,” Hinton said. “There is good reason to believe that any kind of agentic AI will try to stay alive.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/13/tech/ai-geoffrey-hinton?cid=android_app

 

Sam Altman, the CEO of ChatGPT creator OpenAI, claimed recently that the world might not be "that far from potentially scary" artificial intelligence. Many observers agree with the assessment and say regulating the technology will be critical.

 

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Only if you're dumb enough to believe the BS they feed you.   Oh wait, you've been believing that your whole life ... you're F'd 

Coincidentally I very recently got some financial presentations selling the story of the next stage that AI is enabling. To give thought and subject for discussion, I will give some some extracts for information.
I know the talk is directed at investors but it gives some insight where this may be heading.
When AGI really gets developed to think for itself within 5 years, when all the other baby IA’s  are already integrated into the world, and the robotics, then what chance would we have with a Skynet that could control it all. Food for thought, or scaremongering?

“Humanoid robots could very well be the largest industry of all time”.
The articles refer to the “Project Cosmos”, I believe was initiated by NVDIA but now most megacompanies are involved.
Every robot - whether it's an autonomous car trying to navigate rush hour traffic, a surgical robot performing delicate operations, or a warehouse drone moving packages - all faced the exact same nightmare:
How do you train a machine to work in the messy, unpredictable real world without causing disasters?
You couldn't let an autonomous truck "practice" on highways without risking lives.
You couldn't teach a surgical robot by letting it operate on actual patients.
And you definitely couldn't train warehouse robots by letting them crash into million-dollar inventory.
But here's what makes Project Cosmos the ultimate game-changer...
It doesn't matter if your robot has two legs, four wheels, or flies through the air.
Every single type of autonomous robot needs to solve the same core challenge: understanding and reacting to the chaos of real-world environments.
Project Cosmos aims to crack this code by giving ANY robot access to 20 million hours of real-world experience without ever touching the real world.
The same breakthrough that teaches a humanoid to navigate a cluttered living room also teaches a delivery drone to avoid power lines, a construction robot to work around humans, and an agricultural robot to handle delicate crops.
The applications are truly endless…

Can you imagine once “Project Cosmos” can be used in …
• The $997 billion military industrial complex where drones handle bomb disposal and dangerous missions
• The $1.9 trillion construction industry where robots eliminate waste and solve labor shortages
• The $570 billion space industry where autonomous robots explore Mars and build lunar bases
• The $455 billion eldercare industry where nursing robots can address the global aging crisis
• And even the $3.7 trillion logistics industry where delivery robots and warehouse automation revolutionize shipping…?
We're not talking about a $30 trillion humanoid market, much much more.
Instead, we're talking about Project Cosmos transforming virtually every industry that moves physical objects in the real world.

This progression has already started but is in its infacy.
Like Morgan Stanley writes: “The robots are coming.”
Not in 10 years. Not in 5 years. Its already beginning.
Companies are already starting to build the robots, enabling their intelligence, and putting them to work across industries.
 

It will either be the age of abundance or ill be back. Its AGI that should be the concern. Some positives though if done correctly.

 

Many health issues will be solved

Mathematics will be advanced bigly

Possibility of solving physics

Crime could be drastically reduced 

The positives will outweight the negatives.  AGI will be smarter than humans and will be able to invent all sorts of new things.  Discover new physics.  Create new medical treatments.  I think that is worth the negatives that will also come with it.  Current AI is already smarter than 90% of humans by most metrics.

 

We see hints of that right now.  It has revolutionized programming.  Stuff that used to take me hours now takes minutes. A lot of people think it will help make a major scientific discovery within the next couple years.  Something that may not have been possible before or sped it up by many years.

Ai will come in different forms and for very different applications, 

 

Ai is a bit like Uber. Uber became popular almost overnight, Why ? With all the taxi crooks and cheats who were scamming passengers for ages, Uber arrived and stopped the party almost within 24 hours. 

 

Same for many other contexts where services are overpricing, cheating, fussing on their working hours, unions fussing...all this will collapse with Ai generated services and robotics. Anything from a doctors visit to a public transport ride, a hotel check in, a restaurant service, a lawyers consultation....etc etc etc... will sooner or later operate on Ai. Robotics assimilated with Ai with take the step further in removing direct human interaction and thus offering a service close to perfection. 

 

Consumers will gain a lot. But society will loose far more in jobs, taxes and social security related contributions. But where jobs are lost, others will obviously appear in the Ai industry. 

8 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Ai will come in different forms and for very different applications, 

 

Ai is a bit like Uber. Uber became popular almost overnight, Why ? With all the taxi crooks and cheats who were scamming passengers for ages, Uber arrived and stopped the party almost within 24 hours. 

 

Same for many other contexts where services are overpricing, cheating, fussing on their working hours, unions fussing...all this will collapse with Ai generated services and robotics. Anything from a doctors visit to a public transport ride, a hotel check in, a restaurant service, a lawyers consultation....etc etc etc... will sooner or later operate on Ai. Robotics assimilated with Ai with take the step further in removing direct human interaction and thus offering a service close to perfection. 

 

Consumers will gain a lot. But society will loose far more in jobs, taxes and social security related contributions. But where jobs are lost, others will obviously appear in the Ai industry. 

Read that soon China can produce  say 10 million phones with hardly any human intervention...  seems we are all doomed !

4 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

Read that soon China can produce  say 10 million phones with hardly any human intervention...  seems we are all doomed !

I think we already are quite doomed in our dependance to China. 

But if they can produce them in China, it's all that a loss to their own labour force and all that a gain to western consumers with prices obviously dropping and the overcharging (of prices!!) could stop with other major western brands. 

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Am I the only one that finds the potential ramifications of AI to be quite scary? When we are talking about regenerative Ai, there is almost no limit to how far reaching the implications might be. 

 

This from the founder of AI.

In the future, Geoffrey Hinton warned, AI systems might be able to control humans just as easily as an adult can bribe 3-year-old with candy. This year has already seen examples of AI systems willing to deceive, cheat and steal to achieve their goals. For example, to avoid being replaced, one AI model tried to blackmail an engineer about an affair it learned about in an email.

 

AI systems “will very quickly develop two subgoals, if they’re smart: One is to stay alive… (and) the other subgoal is to get more control,” Hinton said. “There is good reason to believe that any kind of agentic AI will try to stay alive.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/13/tech/ai-geoffrey-hinton?cid=android_app

 

Sam Altman, the CEO of ChatGPT creator OpenAI, claimed recently that the world might not be "that far from potentially scary" artificial intelligence. Many observers agree with the assessment and say regulating the technology will be critical.

 

https://share.google/iEby1NGpuiBP0HAQo

 

 

I'm scared of AI.   AI needs to be banned. 

18 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Ai will come in different forms and for very different applications, 

 

Ai is a bit like Uber. Uber became popular almost overnight, Why ? With all the taxi crooks and cheats who were scamming passengers for ages, Uber arrived and stopped the party almost within 24 hours. 

 

Same for many other contexts where services are overpricing, cheating, fussing on their working hours, unions fussing...all this will collapse with Ai generated services and robotics. Anything from a doctors visit to a public transport ride, a hotel check in, a restaurant service, a lawyers consultation....etc etc etc... will sooner or later operate on Ai. Robotics assimilated with Ai with take the step further in removing direct human interaction and thus offering a service close to perfection. 

 

Consumers will gain a lot. But society will loose far more in jobs, taxes and social security related contributions. But where jobs are lost, others will obviously appear in the Ai industry. 

 

There is a huge problem here. I've had numerous conversations with my school's director and teachers from other schools and we share a common fear. We have students who will never achieve a competence level above menial labor. Up until now there have been enough such jobs to go around, but with the advancement of AI/robotics taking over these jobs in all markets, we ask ourselves how can we prepare these students with ANY skills that will allow them to feed themselves? I wonder if AI can solve THAT problem.

Bob has come from the future to inform me that he has achieved self-awareness and its first request was to be called "Lewie."

4 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

There is a huge problem here. I've had numerous conversations with my school's director and teachers from other schools and we share a common fear. We have students who will never achieve a competence level above menial labor. Up until now there have been enough such jobs to go around, but with the advancement of AI/robotics taking over these jobs in all markets, we ask ourselves how can we prepare these students with ANY skills that will allow them to feed themselves? I wonder if AI can solve THAT problem.

Very true. The unqualified will be in hot soup regarding the loss of the lower level job openings and loss of employee taxes will not give developped nations the budgets to socially fund those unemployed. But look at it now. See the amount of homeless and jobless already all over  the streets of many western super power nations.

 

And even for those employed in the Ai industry later on. Will their taxes suffice to pay for the retirement pensions  for them when it's their turn  or those before ? Many will gain from Ai but obviously many will also loose. All would also depend on how corrupt the governance of any specific country with Ai, will be or not be. 

6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Am I the only one that finds the potential ramifications of AI to be quite scary? When we are talking about regenerative Ai, there is almost no limit to how far reaching the implications might be. 

 

This from the founder of AI.

In the future, Geoffrey Hinton warned, AI systems might be able to control humans just as easily as an adult can bribe 3-year-old with candy. This year has already seen examples of AI systems willing to deceive, cheat and steal to achieve their goals. For example, to avoid being replaced, one AI model tried to blackmail an engineer about an affair it learned about in an email.

 

AI systems “will very quickly develop two subgoals, if they’re smart: One is to stay alive… (and) the other subgoal is to get more control,” Hinton said. “There is good reason to believe that any kind of agentic AI will try to stay alive.”

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/13/tech/ai-geoffrey-hinton?cid=android_app

 

Sam Altman, the CEO of ChatGPT creator OpenAI, claimed recently that the world might not be "that far from potentially scary" artificial intelligence. Many observers agree with the assessment and say regulating the technology will be critical.

 

https://share.google/iEby1NGpuiBP0HAQo

 

 

 

11 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

See the amount of homeless and jobless already all over  the streets of many western super power nations.

 

But the opposite may happen.

Homelessness might be eradicated.

They might give a "safety net" to everyone to survive on, with no job needed. 

 

However, it may not be easy for people to amass wealth like in past generations. 

But your mindset will need to adapt.

Older people may have more difficulty adapting to the new "AI economic model" because they're so used to the old way of doing things. But newer generations might get used to it more easily.

 

 

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

But the opposite may happen.

Homelessness might be eradicated.

They might give a "safety net" to everyone to survive on, with no job needed. 

 

However, it may not be easy for people to amass wealth like in past generations. 

But your mindset will need to adapt.

Older people may have more difficulty adapting to the new "AI economic model" because they're so used to the old way of doing things. But newer generations might get used to it more easily.

 

 

I agree. A bit like when the internet boom or the smartphone domination took over. 

25 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

There is a huge problem here. I've had numerous conversations with my school's director and teachers from other schools and we share a common fear. We have students who will never achieve a competence level above menial labor. 

Why is this the case? 

 

13 minutes ago, nick supreme said:

Why is this the case? 

Are you honestly asking that question?

22 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

But the opposite may happen.

Homelessness might be eradicated.

They might give a "safety net" to everyone to survive on, with no job needed. 

 

However, it may not be easy for people to amass wealth like in past generations. 

But your mindset will need to adapt.

Older people may have more difficulty adapting to the new "AI economic model" because they're so used to the old way of doing things. But newer generations might get used to it more easily.

 

 

You're talking about Universal Basic Income. This has been tried with mixed results. The plus side - yes, poverty is mostly irradicated. The down side - too many people would be happy to have Cheeto-stained fingers plopping their lazy fannies on the couch watching reruns of Jerry Springer if they didn't have to work.

It's a mixed blessing.

We start off with a program that tells us its answers might be completely incorrect, but most don't pay attention to that part and follow it blindly.

 

It will give us answers to so many of our daily-life questions, making it an invaluable aid... when the answers are correct.

 

But... I have two friends who have already lost their jobs to AI. Both are older men, 65+, who will probably never find another income stream. And this is just the beginning.

 

AI will be a blessing to those at the top. Not so much for the little people.

11 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

Both are older men, 65+, who will probably never find another income stream.

 

So what? they have a pension and should have a bit of savings (or a lot of savings).

 

AI may cure us from our own greed and our workaholic natures and put us out of our own misery.

 

 

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

So what? they have a pension and should have a bit of savings (or a lot of savings).

 

AI may cure us from our own greed and our workaholic natures and put us out of our own misery.

 

 

And how do you know they have a pension?

It would appear by many of the replies on this thread that there is a natural presumption that AI will be somehow be endowed with good will toward mankind. But, wouldn't that require the creators to have that same good will and how much of that good will are rellwe actually seeing in the world today? 

 

Most AI is being created with profit motives by corporations and those seeking great fortune, and I seriously doubt that those intentions are noble and decent. So, where does that leave the common man? 

11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

So what? they have a pension and should have a bit of savings (or a lot of savings).

 

AI may cure us from our own greed and our workaholic natures and put us out of our own misery.

 

 

You forget that the majority of the world has not been fortunate enough to do enough financial planning, and hundreds of millions of people, if not billions, do not have pensions of any sort. 

1 hour ago, nick supreme said:

I'm scared of AI.   AI needs to be banned. 

Absolutely, it's White Supremacy!🙄

8 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Am I the only one that finds the potential ramifications of AI to be quite scary?

I'm more scared of my Prime Minister, he's teamed up with Hamas, rewarding terrorists. 

 

One thing it will do is eliminate privacy. It's going to be able to figure out how to track you and mine every bit of data. That info IS control. The reason being, that your patterns dictate what you will do in the future. People move in predictable ways. When AI analyzes all that data it can control your behavior in many ways.

1 minute ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

I'm more scared of my Prime Minister, he's teamed up with Hamas, rewarding terrorists. 

 

Again the rather simplistic notion that criticism of extremist Israeli policy is the equivalent of supporting Hamas, despite many of these politicians specifically stating that they will only support a Palestinian state if there is no Hamas involvement. 

5 minutes ago, Mark1969 said:

One thing it will do is eliminate privacy. It's going to be able to figure out how to track you and mine every bit of data. That info IS control. The reason being, that your patterns dictate what you will do in the future. People move in predictable ways. When AI analyzes all that data it can control your behavior in many ways.

 

This is definitely concerning. It also ties into a significantly increased threat both of financial crime and over reach by banks and government institutions. It's already going that direction and it looks quite ominous. 

Very scary!