1 hour ago, proton said:

 

Yes that was that was it, most people with a terminal illness would try to make amends, or spend some time reflecting on their life, not Marc he decided to go out and murder two people instead. He was a thoroughly evil individual, and providing worn out girls, who would do anything to punters for high charges did not make him any less so. 

You seem very angry, but also extremely knowledgeable about both this French fellow and Eden Club. Had a bad experience there, did you?

 

While you show disdain for Marc and his ways, you seem to hold a civilly convicted sexual assaulter---a guy who is on tape boasting of being free to grab women by their private parts--- and man guilty of everything from charity fraud to bank and insurance fraud in high regard. Oh, he also went and schtupped a porn star while his 3rd wife was caring for a newborn infant. That seems hypocritically selective of you.

 

If moral depravity is wrong in one person, isn't it wrong in all?

8 minutes ago, Wingate said:

You seem very angry, but also extremely knowledgeable about both this French fellow and Eden Club. Had a bad experience there, did you?

 

While you show disdain for Marc and his ways, you seem to hold a civilly convicted sexual assaulter---a guy who is on tape boasting of being free to grab women by their private parts--- and man guilty of everything from charity fraud to bank and insurance fraud in high regard. Oh, he also went and schtupped a porn star while his 3rd wife was caring for a newborn infant. That seems hypocritically selective of you.

 

If moral depravity is wrong in one person, isn't it wrong in all?

 

Something is mentally wrong with a poster trying to bring President Trump into this by comparing him with a murdering pimp like. Marc. 

How about the Angelwitch Mgr who had go go back home (to the UK) after falling ill, and I think had get his leg removed. Nice guy to me the few times I was there around 2008-10. Hope he's OK, still trying to recall his name. 

The Stickman column was more relevant when he was living in Bangkok.  Harder to do when you're back home in Kiwiland.  

On 9/1/2025 at 8:02 AM, JAG said:

Never really understood why, if you have a gun and intend to shoot someone, do you get close enough for a) a struggle and b) for them to take it off you and shoot you!

When I was a kid growing up in South London, an ex-jailbird told me to crowd a gun but run from a knife. The logic being that if you can get close enough to a gunman, there's a chance you can turn it on him or disarm him, whereas running from a knife means the further you are away from the knife, the less harm it will do to you.

21 minutes ago, Jaggg88 said:

When I was a kid growing up in South London, an ex-jailbird told me to crowd a gun but run from a knife. The logic being that if you can get close enough to a gunman, there's a chance you can turn it on him or disarm him, whereas running from a knife means the further you are away from the knife, the less harm it will do to you.

 

Good advice for those living in London today!

One other book on the nighlife in Bangkok was "Patpong SIsters" by Cleo Odzer. This was her doctoral dissertation later published into a book. Not a bad read if you can find it. I imagine it is still around.

 

The research took place during the 1980s

16 minutes ago, jingjai9 said:

One other book on the nighlife in Bangkok was "Patpong SIsters" by Cleo Odzer. This was her doctoral dissertation later published into a book. Not a bad read if you can find it. I imagine it is still around.

 

The research took place during the 1980s

Read it about 30 years ago. It wasn't a great read IMHO. She gets thrown off course and waylaid in her efforts by a local love interest.

If it’s that bad, why bother reading it?

On 9/2/2025 at 10:22 PM, Wingate said:

hold a civilly convicted

There is no such thing as civilly convicted.   

I remeber a Canadain I knew into the P4P scene around 2000-06...he loved all that Stickman stuff....was like a gateway site for new guys in Asia to get clued up on that scene.

On 9/2/2025 at 9:51 PM, Evil Penevil said:

Marc realized that a lot of male visitors to Thailand had fantasies about a porn star experience with two or more ladies at the same time.  The ladies at Eden were willing to do just about anything with each other and the customer.  That level of service wasn't easy to find elsewhere and Eden flourished

Devils Den Pattaya, according to a good friend, back in the days of old Jack

the girls still seem to have fond memories of a gentleman known as View Talay Jack. Bless ’em.

4 hours ago, falangUK said:

Devils Den Pattaya, according to a good friend, back in the days of old Jack

the girls still seem to have fond memories of a gentleman known as View Talay Jack. Bless ’em.

 

The Devil's Den began as Eden Pattaya, but the French co-owner and onsite manager died of a heart attack a few days after it opened in December, 2006.  Marc then sold Eden Pattaya and it became the Hell Club, which changed its name to the Devil's Den a few years down the road.   The Devil's Den closed during the COVID years and never reopened.  I read the former British owner passed away last week. RIP.

On 8/31/2025 at 9:00 AM, Peter Crow said:

Stick is well aware that he is running out of steam, while we are reaching the end of an era.

 

He was/is a very valuable actor of the Thai expat blogosphere.

All that freewheeling era is dying on it's arse this place included. I read him - some of his gossip is very intresting from time to time. 

I liked Trink, ha was one of a kind, a special character. His words became famous all over Thailand. Nuff said. 

14 minutes ago, geisha said:

I liked Trink, ha was one of a kind, a special character. His words became famous all over Thailand. Nuff said. 

His wife trailing behind on his walks in Patong. Used to have a juice or soda in my bar mid 70's. A character for sure. His Friday column was always well read by many expats. Nite Owl😉

1 hour ago, geisha said:

I liked Trink, ha was one of a kind, a special character. His words became famous all over Thailand. Nuff said. 

 

used to see him often at the scala movie theatre, never seemed to say much to his missis 🤣

 

not much of a writer though, especially in his latter years, too obsessed by nigerian scammers and relying on emails he'd received to pad out his articles

Read it about 30 years ago. It wasn't a great read IMHO. She gets thrown off course and waylaid in her efforts by a local love interest.

 

Yes, she did become a participant observer as sociological methodology goes. As I recall she also had a rough time defending her dissertation at her university. 

I thought her personal involvement was part of the great read because it shows how difficult it is for a researcher to get involved and how easily humans can lose their objectivity. Also, it illustrated how the lure of the Thailand nightlife can change people. 

I cannot count how many people I have met over the years who vowed they would never pay for sex - in the beginning, but then.......

Read it about 30 years ago. It wasn't a great read IMHO. She gets thrown off course and waylaid in her efforts by a local love interest.

 

Yes, she did become a participant observer as sociological methodology goes. As I recall she also had a rough time defending her dissertation at her university. 

I thought her personal involvement was part of the great read because it shows how difficult it is for a researcher to get involved and how easily humans can lose their objectivity. Also, it illustrated how the lure of the Thailand nightlife can change people. 

I cannot count how many people I have met over the years who vowed they would never pay for sex - in the beginning, but then.......

On 9/4/2025 at 9:59 PM, Evil Penevil said:

 

The Devil's Den began as Eden Pattaya, but the French co-owner and onsite manager died of a heart attack a few days after it opened in December, 2006.  Marc then sold Eden Pattaya and it became the Hell Club, which changed its name to the Devil's Den a few years down the road.   The Devil's Den closed during the COVID years and never reopened.  I read the former British owner passed away last week. RIP.

Many thanks for the history, most enlightening. My friend, never visited the premises; he always had them delivered two at a time and, by all accounts, had a jolly good time. Dreadful shame they never reopened after COVID

another reason to give Pattaya a miss. He hopes Anne, Rain, and the rest are still about. Much obliged.

On 9/2/2025 at 11:21 PM, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

All-in-all, I found Eden to be one of the best experiences I ever had in Thailand.  Countless others felt the same and never had any problems with Marc.

 

 

Stickman mentions his pimp mate again this week. While explaining that he threatened both himself and Marcel of Nanaplaza.com to only say good things about him, it does not explain why he had to keep doing if after he died.

 

Quite simply, there are some people who you simply cannot say things about because they will make your life difficult. Now that he’s no longer in the land of the living, I’ll give you a specific example and name one such person. Marc of Eden Club. He might have run a much-loved business, had a high profile and been considered a friend by many, but look out anyone who said anything negative about Eden Club. I was told in no uncertain terms what would happen if I wrote stuff about his bar. Ditto the late Khun Sanuk who got the same lecture when he was operating what at the time was the most popular expat forum in Thailand.

He’s irellavant now ,load of tosh,iMe sure he is not married but makes it up

He thinks he is Trink 

 

stickboy was good though