Bacterial vaccines were trialled extensively, but as  the flu is caused by a virus, they were totally useless......they did however help fight secondary bacterial infections.

 

The trail vaccines were not introduced until the start of the second wave of the pandemic, by which time 50 million or so had already died.

 

Vaccines were not the cause of the "Spanish" flu epidemic (which started in the US).

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Miloki said:

 

Thank god, I was worried it wasn't working and I needed another.

Did you notice the gay slur used towards you?

 

Is there anything they won’t do to force people to get jabbed?

 

Vaxxed leftists are all the same.

19 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Thanks to the that enlightened poster, Red, for keeping the fire burning.

 

To quote the Topic headline; "Why Do Vaccines Cause the Illnesses They Prevent?"

 

In my view they do not. But! That is not to say they do not create havoc and cause immense harm. To fully answer the question is perhaps beyond the scope of the topic, as it gets rather complicated and technical.

 

However! Let's give it a go, and address the question. The first thing to establish; 'what is illness'? In my view it is a term given to one's body that has run out of kilter. The body's natural state is good health. To maintain that health balance, certain things have to be kept in order. The electrical, the bio-chemical and the emotional.

 

All the time - 24/7/52,  from birth to death - our bodies are at work. Cells are being replaced by the million every day. Our gut is constantly removing what it wants as nutrients, and eliminating the stuff it don't want/need. The electrical flows around the body are responsible (in no small part) for the movement of blood, the movement of limbs, activation of muscles, and of course, our brains ability/capacity to engage with our thoughts and the world at large. 

 

Any number of things can disrupt the fine balance of our bodies. And although delicate, they are at the same time robust, and expert at ridding themselves of the undesirables that make us unwell or ill.

 

Food that is not fresh, or nutritious. Breathing in bad, noxious air. Drinking liquids that are laden with toxins. Exposing out skin to toxic material. Taking poisons straight into blood stream; as in vaccinations. All contribute to the unbalancing. There are more; and our emotions have no small role to play.

 

So! What then is the illness? The body gets out of sync; and it tries to recover balance. This results in symptoms. To the modern medicine these symptoms are illness. To a more natural practitioner, they are the cure. Or at least the body trying to cure.

 

Not possible to examine the actual science - or other wise - of vaccines here, but when the body is injected it goes into both defence and attack mode. It will try to eliminate the toxic material, and this could cause - although maybe not immediately - symptoms. Globulins (there are different types, each with specific functions) are brought into action. If the toxic material, contained within the jab, cannot be eliminated, it is coated in proteins and tucked away. To be gotten rid of, at a later time.

 

In a nutshell, the symptoms of the jabs are the very same symptoms of the body detox mechanisms at work in normal times.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

Jeezus mate, why, why the highlighting your hurting our eyes……..we can read your post just fine without this assault on our corneas.    Peace

1 minute ago, Explorator en Actione said:

Jeezus mate, why, why the highlighting your hurting our eyes……..we can read your post just fine without this assault on our corneas.    Peace

 

Anti-vaxxers are allowed highlighting, colours, strange fonts and under and over size fonts....also with colour.

 

Very odd.

45 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Vaccines are seen as poisons to the body. Some of their ingredients are put in there as irritants (adjuvants). As soon as the vaxx hits the bloods, maybe even on the penetration insult, globulins are mustered and sent in as soldiers to fight the invader. The symptoms one might get is a result of the body's defence system at work.

 

The only people who see vaccines as poisons to the body are uneducated purveyors of nonsense like you.Everything you write is incorrect and intentionally misleading. You are not engaged in an exchange of ideas. 

There is no such thing as a "vaxx".

Adjuvants are not added to vaccines as "irritants". An adjuvant is any ingredient in a medicine that increases or modifies the activity of the other ingredients. 

Globulins are not soldiers and are not mustered. There are multiple types of protein molecules which make up the globulin group, some of which have nothing to do with the immune system.

49 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

When did you visit Berkeley castle ?

 

Your post is very similar to google.

 

 

Hahaha, JAG the Plag(iarist) caught with his pants down....

56 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

 

When did you visit Berkeley castle ?

 

Your post is very similar to google.

 

 

 

Roughly at the same time, the French philosopher and author Voltaire remarked that 60% of the population caught smallpox, and 20% died from it.....and you are dumb enough to think he was alive at the same time as Voltaire???

6 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Hahaha, JAG the Plag(iarist) caught with his pants down....

 

....and you thought he was alive at the same time as Voltaire.....Jeeezzz!!!

I'm not an expert but my understanding is that early vaccines were weak versions of whatever was being treated to enable the body to fight it off and create some immunity so the patient was infected and showed some of the symptoms. This has never been disputed, which is why I know about it. 

Later vaccines don't actually use an active form of the virus so there's no reason why you would contract it, or suffer any of the symptoms. Any form of intervention can upset the body so there might be certain reactions such as nausea for example, but not caused by the virus, as you haven't been given it.

Live viruses are still used in some situations. I think polio might be one example were in some countries they might be a better option. The live virus needs only one shot where the non virus one needs two. In situations where its very difficult to reach those needing vaccination the risk is that even if you give the first shot, you may not be able to give the second. It that case a single live virus is used. This will cause more deaths than the more advanced jab but less than the deaths from only being able to give one shot.

17 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I know that they are not your words, although you might believe them, and you didn't construct the image yourself, but I must say; it is monumental humbug.

 

The facts simply do not support you post.

You are single handedly the AN hub of humbug.  Your infatuation with outdated health concepts and the denial of science has the potential of influencing the weak minded to make poor health decisions.   All gladly done with no compunction.

Off Topic post & reply removed.

 

Please post in the appropriate forum.

 

48 minutes ago, JAG said:

I was at King Edward's School in Bath; then a direct grant grammar school. Every year in the Summer term, after exams, the school held "field trips" to reasonably local (2 hours or so) sites. It must have been in my 4th year, so 1973? That years trip centred around history ( Berkeley Castle was the site of King Edward II's particularly gruesome murder) and science - Jenner's work.

 

I certainly used Wikipedia to confirm Voltaire's quote - I vaguely remembered it but wanted to confirm it. I didn't use "Google" but as very many school trips have visited Berkeley Castle over the generations I am not surprised that it merits a mention!

 

Anyway I am deeply flattered that you were enthusiastic enough about my fairly inconsequential post to dig around on the internet to try and find somewhat spurious grounds to accuse me of plagerising Google - if that is possible; conspiracy theory at it's finest!

 

In case you are bored and wish for a focus for your internet activities, hold onto your tinfoil hat! Previous and subsequent years' field trips included visits to Lulworth Cove (geography), Swindon Railway Museum (history and science) and Chedworth Roman Villa (history and classics). We also had CCF ( school Cadet Force) camps at Cultybraggan in Scotland, Detmold in West Germany, Penhale in Cornwall as well as the CCF rifle meet at Bisley. I am sure they will be in "Google" as well. Fill your boots!

There is some proper english in this post, I can almost hear the accent.

Hey @Red Phoenix You forgot to comment this one, or wasn´t it possible for you without making up some fantastic lies?

18 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Awesome! You just debunked the thread maker´s existence. Thanks! Good Work!

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

 

The only people who see vaccines as poisons to the body are uneducated purveyors of nonsense like you.Everything you write is incorrect and intentionally misleading. You are not engaged in an exchange of ideas. 

There is no such thing as a "vaxx".

Adjuvants are not added to vaccines as "irritants". An adjuvant is any ingredient in a medicine that increases or modifies the activity of the other ingredients. 

Globulins are not soldiers and are not mustered. There are multiple types of protein molecules which make up the globulin group, some of which have nothing to do with the immune system.

Good to see you think you know what you are talking about.

 

Then let's debate. I've debated a few like yourself on public platforms. Last time was in Willesden, London in 1998. Although I did front a lecture** in Kingston, Jamaica later that year. So let's get to it then Patong. You had better know your stuff Sir. Not too much of the Googling. I will not do any. If I don't know it, I'll not post it.

 

Name a specific related topic and let's go.

 

** Was on bio-mechanics. Nothing to do with vaxxes on that occasion.

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

You are single handedly the AN hub of humbug.  Your infatuation with outdated health concepts and the denial of science has the potential of influencing the weak minded to make poor health decisions.   All gladly done with no compunction.

Thanks Gamby.

 

Nature is the same now as it was in the distant past. I'm in no way against science, but I do insist that it is the truth. Not some nonsense made up to fill white-coats' pockets with dosh.

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good to see you think you know what you are talking about.

 

Then let's debate. I've debated a few like yourself on public platforms. Last time was in Willesden, London in 1998. Although I did front a lecture** in Kingston, Jamaica later that year. So let's get to it then Patong. You had better know your stuff Sir. Not too much of the Googling. I will not do any. If I don't know it, I'll not post it.

 

Name a specific related topic and let's go.

 

** Was on bio-mechanics. Nothing to do with vaxxes on that occasion.

 

I am not interested in facilitating your promotion of false information. You are not my peer, nor in a position to debate anyone on the issue. It's akin to asking an experienced tax lawyer to "debate" tax regulations with a data entry clerk.

18 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Brothers, both infected, one was vaccinated.

 

Stiddle Mump and Red Phoenix will try to convince you

 

1. There is no such thing as a virus and

 

2. If there were, the boy on the left as you look was the vaccinated one. 

 

 

 

 

 

Talk about spilling the beans!

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

 

Talk about spilling the beans!

 

 

Apparently it only hurts when he laughs.

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I am not interested in facilitating your promotion of false information. You are not my peer, nor in a position to debate anyone on the issue. It's akin to asking an experienced tax lawyer to "debate" tax regulations with a data entry clerk.

That's a 'No' then Sir! I'm upset, but I'll get over it by the end of the year.

 

As for your words; ',,,promotion of false information.' I have not posted anything on these 'health topics' than is false. And I challenge you to show any.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

1 hour ago, Miloki said:

There is some proper english in this post, I can almost hear the accent.

Thank you - I know much of my content can be seen as inconsequential rubbish, but I do rather pride myself on an elegant writing style!

 

Mind you, what is it that they say about "pride coming before a fall"?

19 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Joe Biden received over 81 million votes in the 2020 presidential election, which was the most votes ever cast for a presidential candidate in U.S. history.

 

That's a lotta votes!  Biden must be a stable genius!  And by your standards, apparently, the number of supporters somehow validates one's actions.

 

In his most forceful pandemic actions and words, President Biden on Thursday ordered sweeping new federal vaccine requirements for as many as 100 million Americans

Yes, and we can all trust what old dementia Joe says, he must be a genius.......NOT

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Why Do Vaccines Cause the Illnesses They Prevent

 

Are you trying to tell us you got jabbed for brain worms, buddy?

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Then let's debate. I've debated a few like yourself on public platforms. Last time was in Willesden, London in 1998. Although I did front a lecture** in Kingston, Jamaica later that year.

Not surprising.... neither of your 'contributions' require anything other than the willingness to get up in front of people and spout an opinion.  Bzzzzzzzt!  Thanks for playing.  Better luck next time!

On 9/5/2025 at 4:38 PM, KannikaP said:

Are homeopathic medicine not a similar thing, a small dose stimulates the immune system

 

No, homeopathic so-called medicines have been diluted to such an extent that they have no active levels of whatever ingredient they started of with containing.  So any effect is purely due to placebo effect.   They can have no effect on stimulation of the immune system due to not containing enough molecules of whatever the proposed homoepathic so-called' medicine is supposed to contain.

Any effect on the immune system must therefore be due to the brain sending signals that stimulate the immune system, drive by placebo effect.

For more evidence you need to consult the available scientific literature.  A good place to start would be to use pubmed.gov

5 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

You are single handedly the AN hub of humbug.  Your infatuation with outdated health concepts and the denial of science has the potential of influencing the weak minded to make poor health decisions.   All gladly done with no compunction.

I would suggest that the person you are replying to should get some form of psychiatric diagnosis, yet because of the 'problem' he is unlikely accept the therapy.   So, the last resot is for us rational people to use the ignore facility offered by aseannow.

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

There is no such thing as a "vaxx"

Of course there is. Hoover, Dyson etc.

2 hours ago, MarkBR said:

No, homeopathic so-called medicines have been diluted to such an extent that they have no active levels of whatever ingredient they started of with containing.  So any effect is purely due to placebo effect.   They can have no effect on stimulation of the immune system due to not containing enough molecules of whatever the proposed homoepathic so-called' medicine is supposed to contain.

Any effect on the immune system must therefore be due to the brain sending signals that stimulate the immune system, drive by placebo effect.

For more evidence you need to consult the available scientific literature.  A good place to start would be to use pubmed.gov

You simply don't know what you are talking about.

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

You simply don't know what you are talking about.

 

 

Oh the irony.

2 hours ago, MarkBR said:

No, homeopathic so-called medicines have been diluted to such an extent that they have no active levels of whatever ingredient they started of with containing.  So any effect is purely due to placebo effect.   They can have no effect on stimulation of the immune system due to not containing enough molecules of whatever the proposed homoepathic so-called' medicine is supposed to contain.

Any effect on the immune system must therefore be due to the brain sending signals that stimulate the immune system, drive by placebo effect.

For more evidence you need to consult the available scientific literature.  A good place to start would be to use pubmed.gov

Indeed due to exponential dilution, most homeopathic vaccines contain less of the diluted "active" ingredient than regular tap water.