Polio Eradication is Impossible When the Vaccine is the #1 Cause

[Red Phoenix]

Why Trump is Wrong About the Polio Vaccine: It is Far From Amazing

Great article by Sayer Ji, explaining in full detail why Trump's recent praise of the polio vaccine is flat out wrong (looks like Trump is being played again by Bill Gates 'of Hell') 

 

 

Source: https://sayerji.substack.com/p/why-trump-is-wrong-about-the-polio

 

"Look, you have some vaccines that are so amazing. The polio vaccine, I happen to think is amazing," President Donald Trump declared on 5 September, echoing the words of Bill Gates, which had been given a prominent platform at a White House dinner just days earlier."

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In mainstream tellings, polio was a terrifying viral scourge eliminated by Salk and Sabin's "miracle" vaccines, and today we are on the cusp of eradicating it globally if everyone would just comply. Gates himself never misses a chance to repeat that polio cases have dropped 99% since 1988 "thanks to mass vaccination campaigns". The polio vaccine, we're told, is "not controversial" -- a model of safe, effective medicine that no sane person could oppose. Trump echoed exactly this sentiment, urging that "vaccines that work...they're not controversial at all...those vaccines should be used"¹. But this rosy narrative is far from the full story. In fact, it's flat-out wrong on multiple counts:

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Trump's newfound parroting of Gates's polio talking points is therefore not a triumph of bipartisanship -- it's a dangerous re-centering of a narrative that desperately needs to be challenged."

 

In this very well researched article Sayer Ji breaks down each myth and reveals what the real polio story looks like.  The article can be accessed here > 

https://sayerji.substack.com/p/why-trump-is-wrong-about-the-polio

 

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[TimBKK]

 

Executive summary

 

The piece blends a few correct points (e.g., the Cutter incident; OPV can, rarely, seed vaccine-derived polio) with many inaccurate or misleading claims. The core assertions that polio was chiefly pesticide poisoning, that the disease “disappeared” because of bookkeeping tricks, and that eradication is a mirage are contradicted by a century of virology, surveillance methods, and real-world outcomes. Vaccination (IPV/OPV), plus sanitation, drove a >99% drop in wild polio worldwide; two wild serotypes are certified eradicated, and WPV1 persists only in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Vaccine-derived outbreaks are real but occur almost exclusively where vaccination coverage is low—and global programs have switched tools (e.g., IPV use in many countries; nOPV2) to reduce that risk.

 

Overall verdict: mostly inaccurate, with selective use of real problems to imply the consensus story is “flat-out wrong.”

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

When you want bad and unsubstantiated info about polio, where else better to turn than someone who has absolutely no credentials to be commenting on the topic:

 

"Sayer Ji is author of the international best-selling book REGENERATE, chairman of the www.GlobalWellnessForum.org, founder of www.Greenmedinfo.com, and co-founder of www.StandForHealthFreedom.com"

 

https://substack.com/@sayerji

 

OK, so what's Sayer Ji all about?

 

Overall, we rate GreenMedInfo a quackery-level pseudoscience website based on claims not supported by science.

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/greenmedinfo/

 

 

 

Overall, we rate Stand for Health Freedom (SHF) as right-biased due to its focus on individual liberties and opposition to government health mandates. We also rate it as questionable due to its use of selective data, omission of mainstream scientific perspectives, and lack of transparency, which contribute to a mixed rating for factual accuracy. [emphasis added]

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Stand for Health Freedom often downplays or ignores research from mainstream medical authorities. This selective presentation can result in a skewed portrayal, especially regarding vaccines and COVID-19. While raising legitimate concerns about informed consent, its selective use of facts compromises its credibility. Readers should verify claims with credible scientific sources." [emphasis added]

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/stand-for-health-freedom-bias-and-credibility/

 

 

Here's your man, and some more info about him:

 

 

"Douglas Sayer Ji (born October 10, 1972) is the founder of alternative medicine portal GreenMedInfo, a website known for promoting various pseudoscientific publications. He was identified in 2020 as one of the largest promoters of COVID-19 misinformation on social media. [emphasis added][

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The son of a biochemist, Ji obtained a BA in philosophy from Rutgers University in 1995.^[1] He went on to manage an organic food market in Bonita Springs, Florida, after working with camps and facilities for troubled youths. He developed an interest for Zen Buddhism during that period, but stopped short of joining the movement. [emphasis added]

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Ji denies being an anti-vaccination activist, but consistently shares false or misleading messages about vaccine safety and efficacy.^"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayer_Ji

 

Yikes!!!

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

When you want bad and unsubstantiated info about polio, where else better to turn than someone who has absolutely no credentials to be commenting on the topic:

 

"Sayer Ji is author of the international best-selling book REGENERATE, chairman of the www.GlobalWellnessForum.org, founder of www.Greenmedinfo.com, and co-founder of www.StandForHealthFreedom.com"

 

https://substack.com/@sayerji

 

OK, so what's Sayer Ji all about?

 

Overall, we rate GreenMedInfo a quackery-level pseudoscience website based on claims not supported by science.

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/greenmedinfo/

 

 

 

Overall, we rate Stand for Health Freedom (SHF) as right-biased due to its focus on individual liberties and opposition to government health mandates. We also rate it as questionable due to its use of selective data, omission of mainstream scientific perspectives, and lack of transparency, which contribute to a mixed rating for factual accuracy. [emphasis added]

...

Stand for Health Freedom often downplays or ignores research from mainstream medical authorities. This selective presentation can result in a skewed portrayal, especially regarding vaccines and COVID-19. While raising legitimate concerns about informed consent, its selective use of facts compromises its credibility. Readers should verify claims with credible scientific sources." [emphasis added]

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/stand-for-health-freedom-bias-and-credibility/

 

 

Here's your man, and some more info about him:

 

 

"Douglas Sayer Ji (born October 10, 1972) is the founder of alternative medicine portal GreenMedInfo, a website known for promoting various pseudoscientific publications. He was identified in 2020 as one of the largest promoters of COVID-19 misinformation on social media. [emphasis added][

...

The son of a biochemist, Ji obtained a BA in philosophy from Rutgers University in 1995.^[1] He went on to manage an organic food market in Bonita Springs, Florida, after working with camps and facilities for troubled youths. He developed an interest for Zen Buddhism during that period, but stopped short of joining the movement. [emphasis added]

...

Ji denies being an anti-vaccination activist, but consistently shares false or misleading messages about vaccine safety and efficacy.^"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayer_Ji

 

Yikes!!!

 

Always the messenger, never the content. 

At least @TimBKK - although I do not agree with his verdict - made the effort to look into the arguments presented by Sayer Ji.  

[bamnutsak]

You can't convince non-believers that Science matters, or that you can change their minds. So just let them bathe in their ignorance. The idea of a shared/community of responsible individuals is foreign to them.

 

 

 

 

Now to the important stuff...

 

Where can I buy leeches in Bangkok?

 

Where can I get a good bloodletting? Trepanning?

 

And why is Ivermectin so expensive? Friggn' Big Pharma.

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Ji obtained a BA in philosophy from Rutgers University in 1995

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

 

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The content:

 

Per the UK National Health Service:

Polio

Polio is a serious infection that's now very rare because of the vaccination programme. It's only found in a few countries and the chance of getting it in the UK is extremely low.

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The best way to prevent polio is to make sure you and your child are up to date with your vaccinations.

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How polio is spread

Polio is caused by a virus that spreads easily from person to person. It usually spreads through contact with the poo of an infected person. For example, from not washing your hands properly and putting them in your mouth, or from contaminated food or water. [emphasis added]

 

It can also spread through coughs or sneezes, but this is less common."

 

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/polio/

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

"Poliomyelitis (/ˌpoʊlioʊˌmaɪəˈlaɪtɪs/ POH-lee-oh-MY-ə-LY-tiss), commonly shortened to polio, is an infectious disease caused by the poliovirus. [emphasis added]

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There are two broad types of polio vaccine; an injected polio vaccine (IPV) using inactivated poliovirus and an oral polio vaccine (OPV) containing attenuated (weakened) live virus.^[1] Through the use of both types of vaccine, incidence of wild polio has decreased from an estimated 350,000 cases in 1988^[3] to 30 confirmed cases in 2022, confined to just three countries.

 

In rare cases, the traditional OPV was able to revert to a virulent form. An improved oral vaccine with greater genetic stability (nOPV2) was developed and granted full licensure and prequalification by the World Health Organization in December 2023.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio

 

 

 

[Will B Good]

 

 

 

Since the Global Initiative 2,500,000,000 children have received the polio vaccine.....can anyone, with more than one functioning brain cell, tell me where all the iron lungs are?....presumably they are full with a queue of kids waiting for a chance to crawl into one.

 

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Hang on!  If RFK Jr. and some anti-vax, science denying posters here get their way, there could -- sadly -- become a renewed demand for those kinds of contraptions..... or at least, the modern versions of them.

 

But don't worry!  Sayer Ji will be there to save us all!

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Polio Eradication is Impossible When the Vaccine is the #1 Cause

 

No, it's not:

Causes

"Polio is caused by the poliovirus. It mainly targets nerve cells in the spinal cord and brain stem that control muscle movement. Nerve cells controlling sensation are generally not affected.

 

The naturally-occurring poliovirus, called the wild-type poliovirus, has been eliminated in most countries and causes few cases of polio. Another version of the virus, called the vaccine-derived poliovirus (VDPV), is more widespread and now causes most infections worldwide. VDPV exists mainly in a few countries that use an oral vaccine with a weakened poliovirus.

 

The weakened virus in the oral vaccine doesn't itself cause polio, and vaccinated people rarely contract VDPV. Instead, VDPV is a new version of the virus that develops within a community or region where not enough people are vaccinated."  [emphasis added]

 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/polio/symptoms-causes/syc-20376512

 

[simon43]

One of the few places where polio still exists is in backward, goat-shagging regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Muslim village leaders  deny access to nurses to enter villages to vaccinate the kids against polio because ....... (well I don't know why - perhaps these men have been brainwashed by Red Phoenix's posts....after all, if these men are sharing only 1 brain cell between them, then thats a possibility!)

[NoDisplayName]

1 minute ago, simon43 said:

One of the few places where polio still exists is in backward, goat-shagging regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Muslim village leaders  deny access to nurses to enter villages to vaccinate the kids against polio because ....... (well I don't know why - perhaps these men have been brainwashed by Red Phoenix's posts....after all, if these men are sharing only 1 brain cell between them, then thats a possibility!)

 

CIA Says It Will No Longer Use Vaccine Programs As Cover

 

A White House official says the CIA will no longer use vaccine programs as cover for spy operations, answering health experts' complaints that it had hurt international efforts to fight disease.

The CIA famously used a vaccination program as a ploy to gain information about the possible whereabouts of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan. That effort didn't succeed, and the doctor involved was sentenced to a prison term. But the revelation had immediate effects — particularly in the fight against polio.

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/05/20/314231260/cia-says-it-will-no-longer-use-vaccine-programs-as-cover

[NoDisplayName]

We went into a camp to inoculate the children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for Polio, and this old man came running after us, and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember ... I ... I ... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized ... like I was shot ... like I was shot with a diamond ... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God ... the genius of that. The genius.

 

  ~Kurtz

 

Nowadays it's done with a substack rather than a machete.

[Digitalbanana]

10 minutes ago, simon43 said:

One of the few places where polio still exists is in backward, goat-shagging regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan, where Muslim village leaders  deny access to nurses to enter villages to vaccinate the kids against polio because ....... (well I don't know why - perhaps these men have been brainwashed by Red Phoenix's posts....after all, if these men are sharing only 1 brain cell between them, then thats a possibility!)

Finally we have consensus - until the next pointless misinformation thread by @Red Phoenix

[Hamus Yaigh]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

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Another rule (#3) is to not post misleading information which you are doing every day of the week and twice on Sundays. 

 

Facts for you to learn:

Polio Caused Primarily by Toxins (e.g., DDT, Arsenic): This is a myth. Polio is caused by poliovirus, not pesticides. Historical correlations (e.g., DDT use and polio peaks) are coincidental; polio predates DDT, and outbreaks occurred in areas without heavy pesticide exposure. Decline was due to vaccines, not DDT bans (e.g., U.S. cases dropped from 21,000 in 1952 to 61 in 1965 post-vaccination). Toxin theories are dismissed by experts as lacking evidence.

 

Polio Decline as "Statistical Alchemy": While diagnostic changes reduced counts (by ~50–60% in some estimates), the overall eradication (99% global drop since 1988, immunizing 2.5+ billion children) is attributed to vaccines by WHO/CDC. Pre-1955 declines were minor; post-vaccine drops were dramatic and sustained.

 

Eradication as "Impossible Mirage": Overstated. WHO reports wild polio endemic in only two countries in 2025, with no guarantee but feasible progress (e.g., Africa certified wild-polio-free in 2020). Challenges like cVDPV are real, but strategies (e.g., novel OPV2, IPV switch) aim to address them. Lab synthesis doesn't negate eradication; containment protocols exist.

 

Vaccines as "#1 Cause" Without Context: True that cVDPV now dominates cases (as wild virus is rare), but this reflects success against wild polio. The article ignores that OPV prevented millions of cases overall and that NPAFP includes non-polio causes (e.g., enteroviruses like EV-D68). Correlation with OPV doses doesn't prove causation for all NPAFP; some studies suggest other factors like improved surveillance.

 

Conspiracy Narratives: Claims of massive cover-ups, "corporate greed," or Gates using polio for "geopolitical power" are speculative. While GPEI faces criticism for top-down approaches and resource diversion, there's no evidence of deliberate suppression of "poison theory" or that eradication is a "scam." Gates' efforts are praised by many for reducing cases, though valid critiques exist on priorities.

 

Overemphasis on Asymptomatic Infections: Yes, 95%+ are asymptomatic, but the virus is necessary for paralysis; co-factors (e.g., nutrition) play a role, but this doesn't undermine vaccines.

The article you linked to mixes valid critiques of vaccine risks and program flaws with debunked **pseudoscience**, potentially **misleading** readers on polio's viral cause and vaccine efficacy.

For balanced views, consult WHO/CDC reports.

In summary, the article mixes valid critiques of vaccine risks and program flaws with debunked pseudoscience, potentially misleading readers on polio's viral cause and vaccine efficacy.

 

For balanced views, consult WHO/CDC reports, where they don't use pseudoscience but science itself which is "amazing".

[nglodnig]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

In this very well researched article Sayer Ji breaks down each myth and reveals what the real polio story looks like

Welcome -  you are number 22 in my ignore list

[bamnutsak]

19 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

Nowadays it's done with a substack rather than a machete.

 

You do realize that is a work of fiction, whether from the book, or the film. 

 

I think it's from the film...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYYWWRlki3I&ab_channel=Lowran

 

[xylophone]

I hope the Mods don't mind, but I have re-posted here one of my earlier posts which is about Polio, as it better fits with this topic.......

 

Without the medical advances as regards vaccinations, many hundreds of thousands of people would have died over the past decades.

 

There follows a great article on vaccines, polio and iron lungs and it makes great reading. I was particularly interested in it as I had a schoolfriend who was crippled with polio and I was his wheelchair pusher at two schools.

 

In addition, I was friends with a lovely girl who was also crippled with polio and I was very fond of her, but unfortunately, she burnt to death when her adapted 3-wheel car crashed and caught fire and she couldn't escape.

 

Lastly a boy my age who lived opposite was also crippled in one leg and had to wear a leg iron.

 

So I had knowledge and experience with this horrible disease and the devastating effect it had on children and I was pleased when the injected vaccine and the oral vaccine were given to us at school. So, for some cocaine addled nutter with a worm-eaten brain to spread mis/disinformation like he does is a crime in itself......he needs to be stopped one way or another.

 

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/iron-lungs-polio-1930s-1950s/?fbclid=IwY2xjawMqBodleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFHRXd4d1RUaU1VdHpzd1RuAR4Tw8nfd9HgKxsl1BZh8x_H5yU18F6FwXryp-rBRvOcNs-2TvgXJkBUzobY4Q_aem_4UW_ttdXnvyURCIbtDtJUA

 

[NoDisplayName]

20 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

You do realize that is a work of fiction, whether from the book, or the film. 

 

I think it's from the film...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYYWWRlki3I&ab_channel=Lowran

 

 

Yes, I do.

 

Twas chosen to highlight that some are willing to sacrifice others in pursuit of their own goals.

 

Here's one from the real world:

 

Lesley Stahl: We have heard that half a million children have died. I mean, that's more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?
Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price—we think the price is worth it.  (wiki)

 

As to works of fiction, see OP.

[FritsSikkink]

Absolute BS from the poster who spreads the most lies on this forum: Polio - Wikipedia

[Will B Good]

 

 

Does anyone know how people contracted polio BEFORE DDT came into use?

 

 

By the early 1900s, polio epidemics became regular in Europe and North America, especially in summer months.

•  At its peak in the 1940s–50s, polio paralyzed or killed over 500,000 people annually worldwide B.

•  Famous survivors include:

  ⁠◦  Franklin D. Roosevelt, U.S. President, paralyzed from the waist down in 1921.

  ⁠◦  Wilma Rudolph, Olympic sprinter, who overcame childhood polio to win gold medals.

[Stiddle Mump]

2 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

You can't convince non-believers that Science matters, or that you can change their minds. So just let them bathe in their ignorance. The idea of a shared/community of responsible individuals is foreign to them.

',,,,Science matters,' Of course it matters if it is true; and is open to question and scrutiny.

 

As 'facts' emerge - mostly from compromised bodies, whose very existence depend on the 'facts' and 'data' and 'findings' getting the approval of the funders - people can be swayed. Some white -coats do change their minds. But it is hard to change one's mind when the monthly pay cheque, or yearly research grant, says best not to.

 

There is a massive gravy river out there, under the umbrella of Big Pharma, that many are supping from, and many are getting fabulously wealthy from.

 

And it simply does not stand up to scrutiny.

 

Topics, and debate, under the banner of 'Public Health', would have a totally different perspective, if the main question was asked. Unfortunately for 'science', and 'public health', the question does not see the light of day in MSM.

 

What is this question? It's about the Germ Theory.

 

The Germ Theory is just that a theory. It is - as of 2025 - held together by false beliefs and that other thing - what is it - oh yes, I remember now; money. Even Kennedy will not go there.

 

The germ theory is anti-science, anti-nature, and it is simply fear-mongering nonsense.

 

All my opinion of course.

 

If one is sick, get to see a medical expert ASAP. Don't forget to take plenty of dosh and a suitcase to carry the medicine away when you leave.

 

Nature has the answers we seek. 

[Will B Good]

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

',,,,Science matters,' Of course it matters if it is true; and is open to question and scrutiny.

 

As 'facts' emerge - mostly from compromised bodies, whose very existence depend on the 'facts' and 'data' and 'findings' getting the approval of the funders - people can be swayed. Some white -coats do change their minds. But it is hard to change one's mind when the monthly pay cheque, or yearly research grant, says best not to.

 

There is a massive gravy river out there, under the umbrella of Big Pharma, that many are supping from, and many are getting fabulously wealthy from.

 

And it simply does not stand up to scrutiny.

 

Topics under the banner of Public Health, would have a totally different perspective, if the main question was asked. Unfortunately for 'science', and 'public health', the question does not see the light of day in MSM.

 

What is this question? 

 

The Germ Theory is just that a theory. It is - as of 2025 - held together by false beliefs and that other thing - what is it - oh yes! I remember now; money. Even Kennedy will not go there.

 

The germ theory is anti-science, anti-nature, and it is simply fear-mongering nonsense.

 

All my opinion of course.

 

If one is sick, get to see a medical expert ASAP. Don't forget to take plenty of dosh and a suitcase to carry the medicine away when you leave.

 

Nature has the answers we seek. 

 

 

So a the parents of a child with bacterial meningitis should do what?

 

Quietly, but firmly, explain they can't be ill as there is no such disease, that they have probably been exposed to bad vapours in the environment and orange juice and vitamin A will see them up and about in no time?

 

 

[bamnutsak]

15 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Nature has the answers we seek. 

 

How do we get these answers from 'Nature'?

 

Do they have a website?

 

My MAHA Medical Magic 8 Ball says "Ask again later".

[bamnutsak]

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

Quietly, but firmly, explain they can't be ill as there is no such disease, that they have probably been exposed to bad vapours in the environment and orange juice and vitamin A will see them up and about in no time?

 

But no Tylenol. 

 

That "report" should generate a massive thread here when it drops this month.

 

 

[NoDisplayName]

16 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The Germ Theory is just that a theory.

 

Gravity, too, is just a theory.  Jump off the roof of your condo and prove me worng.

 

But seriously, you're write, no such thing as germs.

It's demons!

 

“Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.”  He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned."

 

Science!

[Lacessit]

Free speech should no longer apply when idiots post dangerous misinformation.

[Red Phoenix]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Free speech should no longer apply when idiots post dangerous misinformation.

 

> Closed minds should not visit the 'Off the Beaten Track' forum. 

 

[TimBKK]

1 hour ago, nglodnig said:

Welcome -  you are number 22 in my ignore list

What took you so long? 

[bamnutsak]

20 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Free speech should no longer apply when idiots post dangerous misinformation.

 

Disagree.

 

I want to know who's crazy, and letting these folks run free makes them easy to identify.