“When you look at the problems, the problem is on the left,” the president told reporters Sunday. “It’s not on the right.”

 

Of course, it's certainly not as he said, and the right has been continuously fueling political hate during the last decade! 🤣

 

"But Trump and his allies are cherry-picking evidence and misleading about recent violent episodes. They’re also casting stones from a glass house when it comes to the potential role of political rhetoric in such tragedies.

In fact, Trump has spent the last decade saying conspicuously violent things and often flirting with the prospect of justified violence by his supporters – including as recently as Friday."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/15/politics/political-violence-trump-charlie-kirk?cid=android_app

 

The first thing to note is that Democratic figures have also been targeted by violence and the right wing has also risen in violence.

In June, two Democratic Minnesota state lawmakers were shot, one of whom died. In April, there was an arson attempt at the home of Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, another Democrat. And in December 2022 and January 2023, a former Republican candidate paid people to shoot up the homes of Democratic officials in New Mexico. Also in 2022, Nancy Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, was the victim of a brutal hammer attack by a man who said he’d been looking for the then-speaker. There was also the plot to kidnap Democratic Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer in 2020.

And perhaps most notably, some Trump supporters rose up in violence to try and overturn the 2020 election results on January 6, 2021.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/15/politics/political-violence-trump-charlie-kirk?cid=android_app

to the title ... Kirk murder vs say Floyd (criminal dies while arrested)

Left response to Floyd or whatever, Musk & Tesla (latest)

... target police

... burning, rioting and looting cities

... randomly attack white

... marches, disrupting diners at restaurant, causing mayhem

... oh yea, more looting

 

Right response to Kirk murder

.... none of the above

Please, stop with this nonsense. Silly way of dealing with things. You guys put yourselves on the level of a 4 year old child. He was the bad one! Nooooo! He did it!

Just accept that there are bad people with bad thought on both sides. 

18 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Please, stop with this nonsense. Silly way of dealing with things. You guys put yourselves on the level of a 4 year old child. He was the bad one! Nooooo! He did it!

Just accept that there are bad people with bad thought on both sides. 

I like the Governor's message of walking a better path and stop trying to divide the country.

 

 

1 hour ago, candide said:

Of course, it's certainly not as he said, and the right has been continuously fueling political hate during the last decade! 🤣

What planet are you from?  Are you even an American?   

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

What planet are you from?  Are you even an American?   

The numbers speak for themselves. The right as committed far more serious violent acts than the left. Numbers don't lie, and no amount of diversions and pearl clutching can gloss over that fact.

Just now, BLMFem said:

The numbers speak for themselves. The right as committed far more serious violent acts than the left. Numbers don't lie, and no amount of diversions and pearl clutching can gloss over that fact.

You need to read the book “Days of Rage”.   

2 hours ago, candide said:

“When you look at the problems, the problem is on the left,” the president told reporters Sunday. “It’s not on the right.”

 

Of course, it's certainly not as he said, and the right has been continuously fueling political hate during the last decade! 🤣

 

"But Trump and his allies are cherry-picking evidence and misleading about recent violent episodes. They’re also casting stones from a glass house when it comes to the potential role of political rhetoric in such tragedies.

In fact, Trump has spent the last decade saying conspicuously violent things and often flirting with the prospect of justified violence by his supporters – including as recently as Friday."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/15/politics/political-violence-trump-charlie-kirk?cid=android_app

 

 

 The entire country is so wrapped up in divisive gender political bull<deleted> it doesnt matter which side is which

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

... randomly attack white

The knock out game. 

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

to the title ... Kirk murder vs say Floyd (criminal dies while arrested)

Left response to Floyd or whatever, Musk & Tesla (latest)

... target police

... burning, rioting and looting cities

... randomly attack white

... marches, disrupting diners at restaurant, causing mayhem

... oh yea, more looting

 

Right response to Kirk murder

.... none of the above

Lame false equivalence...🙂

3 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

Please, stop with this nonsense. Silly way of dealing with things. You guys put yourselves on the level of a 4 year old child. He was the bad one! Nooooo! He did it!

Just accept that there are bad people with bad thought on both sides. 

I know. I'm just mimicking MAGA threads, including the title. 🤣

 

My point is that Trump's claim (largely diffused by his echo chamber on AN), is complete B.S. "When you look at the problems, the problem is on the left,” the president told reporters Sunday. “It’s not on the right.” 

 

The right-wing is fueling hate and violence at least as much as the lef-wing, and probably more, starting with Trump himself!

Trump says Democrats are ‘running a Gestapo administration’ at Republican National Committee’s annual retreat

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/04/politics/trump-democrats-gestapo-rnc-retreat?cid=android_app

 

 

Trump cites Democrats’ dangerous rhetoric, but uses it more than they do

Of course, despite the claims about the danger of Democrats’ rhetoric, Trump’s has often gone well beyond even “threat to democracy.” He has repeatedly and suggestively promoted the prospect of political violence. He once promoted the words of a supporter who said, “The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat.” Just last year, he promoted a social media user who pledged to “physically fight” for him and talked about having his gun “Locked and LOADED.” He has downplayed the crimes his supporters committed on Jan. 6, 2021, and expressed support for them.

https://archive.ph/5M4zM

The late George Carlin IMO was spot on when he said the left was about caring for people, and the right was about caring for property.

 

It seems in America, property is more important than lives.

48 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It seems in America, property is more important than lives.

 

  Could say the same about a lot of places.  Thailand, for instance.

2 hours ago, candide said:

I know. I'm just mimicking MAGA threads, including the title. 🤣

 

My point is that Trump's claim (largely diffused by his echo chamber on AN), is complete B.S. "When you look at the problems, the problem is on the left,” the president told reporters Sunday. “It’s not on the right.” 

 

The right-wing is fueling hate and violence at least as much as the lef-wing, and probably more, starting with Trump himself!

True! But the interesting question is, who is right? The normal kind of population knows that, but they never come up to a point where they are heard. Because that will mean a merge of ideas and actions, that would actually benefit people on all levels. But, that´s just a dream, because it would just be too good.

5 hours ago, biervoormij said:

I like the Governor's message of walking a better path and stop trying to divide the country.

 

 

Not bad at all, but his voice is not going to be heard. he is just too sane for politics.

Another recent example: 🤣

 

After Calling On Trump To "Condemn" Political Violence, This Democrat Shared The "Graphic" Threats They Received, And They Are Seriously Concerning

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/democrat-shared-graphic-threats-got-175117259.html

 

 

As usual the left wants to engage in denial of reality.

 

Reality:

 

Two attempts to shoot President Trump by leftists - Zero attempts to shoot Biden by conservatives.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

As usual the left wants to engage in denial of reality.

 

Reality:

 

Two attempts to shoot President Trump by leftists - Zero attempts to shoot Biden by conservatives.

 

 

The first attempt was made by a registered Republican, who considered several other targets, including Biden. The second attempt by someone who wrote in his "book" that he had no political preference.

 

Anyway, my point is that Trump saying: “When you look at the problems, the problem is on the left,” the president told reporters Sunday. “It’s not on the right.”, was complete B.S. I have proven my point.

 

There are nutters on both sides, and Trump has been fueling hate for years, and still does.

 

As concerns terrorism, RW extremists have been identified as the main perpetrators in several studies, ex.

 

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

 

But don't let truth get in the way of the party line! 🤣🤣🤣

4 minutes ago, candide said:

The first attempt was made by a registered Republican, who considered several other targets, including Biden. The second attempt by someone who wrote in his "book" that he had no political preference.

 

Anyway, my point is that Trump saying: “When you look at the problems, the problem is on the left,” the president told reporters Sunday. “It’s not on the right.”, was complete B.S. I have proven my point.

 

There are nutters on both sides, and Trump has been fueling hate for years, and still does.

 

As concerns terrorism, RW extremists have been identified as the main perpetrators in several studies, ex.

 

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalating-terrorism-problem-united-states

 

But don't let truth get in the way of the party line! 🤣🤣🤣

 

This is much too narow an approach though, because your graph does not factor in property crime. If you include property damage the left commits more crime by far, as the 2 billion rampage following the Floyd killing showed.

 

It all depends how you phrase the question, you can phrase it in a narrow  way like this. Or you could include crimes that include damage to property. 2 billion USD in damages were caused by the left in a few weeks alone. They win hands down.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

This is much too narow an approach though, because your graph does not factor in property crime. If you include property damage the left commits more crime by far, as the 2 billion rampage following the Floyd killing showed.

 

It all depends how you phrase the question, you can phrase it in a narrow  way like this. Or you could include crimes that include damage to property. 2 billion USD in damages were caused by the left in a few weeks alone. They win hands down.

Ok, the BLM protests were responsible for more property damage, a large share of protesters likely being left-wing.  Of course, claiming that "black lives matter", following numerous cases, is not narrowly left-wing, and was a concern for a large number of people. You also have no evidence that those convicted for damaging properties were politically engaged on the left, and not simply the usual thugs who derail nearly any protest (actually some of them were RW extremists)

 

And right-wing extremists (not to be confused with the average Right-winger) are still disproportionately responsible for more violent acts.

 

And Trump is still fueling hate, now more than ever....🤣

 

BTW, I found another more recent study, which captures an increase in left-wing terrorism, but right-wing  tremism is still dominant.

 

"While white supremacists, anti-government militias, and likeminded extremists conducted the most attacks and plots in 2021 (49 percent), the percentage of attacks and plots by anarchists, anti-fascists, and likeminded extremists grew from 23 percent in 2020 to 40 percent in 2021."

https://www.csis.org/analysis/pushed-extremes-domestic-terrorism-amid-polarization-and-protest

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Of course, claiming that "black lives matter", following numerous cases, is not narrowly left-wing, and was a concern for a large number of people. You also have no evidence that those convicted for damaging properties were politically engaged on the left, and not simply the usual thugs who derail nearly any protest (actually some of them were RW extremists)

 

On the surface there is a grain of truth to that, the Floyd protests did sweep up a few non-left people in the heat of passion as it were, and surely there were some right wingers who participated, however, there can be no doubt that BLM is a left-inspired organisation, defund the police that followed were leftists and the movement as a whole had a left energy so to speak. We can certainly take it as given that the majority of people who were caught causing damage belonged overhwhelmingly to the left spectrum.

 

You say "violent acts" but that is not true. The destruction of a store front and then looting said store, is also a violent act. And your graph focuses very narrowly on a particular type of violent crime. I would argue all crime should be considered if it has a political element, except very minor infractions (say a school kid scribbling a swastika in a notebook, something which for instance counts as a "right wing" crime and is reported as such in statistics in some countries).

 

I don't think looking at terrorist plots and attacks is a good indicator. ANTIFA are so underhand, so good at disguise and subterfuge that often their crime is not even reported as left-wing crime.

 

We can certainly see with the bomb planted under a Fox news van in Utah, Armed Queers of Salt Lake City and other left wing armed groups, that left wing terrorism is on the rise.

 

Here is the Homeland Security Subcommittee on Oversight, Investigations, and Accountability Chairman Dan Bishop  talking about left wing crime BEFORE the Kirk kiling:

 

 

Well, it’s time that Congress takes a closer look at what “mostly peaceful” looks like. Here’s one of our witnesses, a former collegiate swimmer who found herself on the wrong end of a mob when she appeared at San Francisco State University last month to speak her mind about the state of women’s sports. She was barricaded in a room for several hours before finally being able to leave.

Our colleges and universities – once the symbol of free and open debate – are increasingly scenes of violent intimidation by left-wing extremists to silence those with whom they disagree.

In another recent incident, left-wing agitators at Stanford Law School disrupted a student-organized lecture from a judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit. Protesters shouted him down and refused to let him deliver his speech. And then the University DEI administrator who appeared didn’t act to establish order and contain the heckling; instead she took the podium to deliver prepared remarks praising the disruptive intimidation and suggesting that Stanford rethink its commitment to free speech. The judge eventually had to be escorted out by federal marshals.

 

Any notion that this was a phenomenon limited to a specific time or region gave way more recently to the specter of left-wing activists carrying out a sustained, violent campaign against a Public Safety Training Center under development in Atlanta. The agitators — several of whom were arrested on terrorism charges — attacked law enforcement with rocks, bricks, Molotov cocktails, and commercial-grade fireworks. This is not what peaceful protest looks like.

 

It’s past time to recognize that these are not random or spontaneous outbursts of violence. Far from it. Self-styled anti-fascist and anarchist groups, often exploit bona fide causes deliberately to organize and deploy street violence for political ends. They use sophisticated tactics to assault law enforcement officers, destroy property, and spread fear and disorder.

 

https://homeland.house.gov/2023/05/16/subcommittee-chair-bishop-its-past-time-we-recognize-left-wing-violence-for-what-it-is/

 

If a speaker in a college campus is effectively held hostage for hours, for instance, and she does not press charges, that is not collected at all. But it is still a violent crime, it just didn't get reported.

On 9/16/2025 at 12:23 AM, candide said:

The right is the side of hate and violence

Again as usual, the left always gets it turned around and accuses others of what they themselves are guilty of. After all it is the left and only the left that comes to the defense to prop up the criminal thugs as victims and heroes.

3 minutes ago, novacova said:

Again as usual, the left always gets it turned around and accuses others of what they themselves are guilty of. After all it is the left and only the left that comes to the defense to prop up the criminal thugs as victims and heroes.

 

One does get the sense that the left engages in a reversal of reality, up is down, down is up, right is left, left is right, woman are men, men are women etc.

 

It was extremely obvouis from the very start that the killer of Charlie Kirk was a leftist, yet for days on end the left pretended he is a Maga supporter.

 

This is more than "all leftists lie", it's almost as if there's a systemic denial of reality the left engages in to make their ideology work. And when people like Charlie Kirk call them out on their kinks in reality perception they lose their tiny minds. Like this killer who could not handle the fact that someone did not accept a man wearing a wig is a woman.

9 minutes ago, novacova said:

Again as usual, the left always gets it turned around and accuses others of what they themselves are guilty of. After all it is the left and only the left that comes to the defense to prop up the criminal thugs as victims and heroes.

No, it's the right, as usual, accusing others of what they themselves did!  Starting with the assault of the Capitol (among others).

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

One does get the sense that the left engages in a reversal of reality, up is down, down is up, right is left, left is right, woman are men, men are women etc.

 

It was extremely obvouis from the very start that the killer of Charlie Kirk was a leftist, yet for days on end the left pretended he is a Maga supporter.

 

This is more than "all leftists lie", it's almost as if there's a systemic denial of reality the left engages in to make their ideology work. And when people like Charlie Kirk call them out on their kinks in reality perception they lose their tiny minds. Like this killer who could not handle the fact that someone did not accept a man wearing a wig is a woman.

Blah blah. There is ample evidence of the RW doing exactly that, and I gave a few examples. 🤣

 

When Trump declares that he's not only lying but also contributes to fuel hate!

“When you look at the problems, the problem is on the left,” the president told reporters Sunday. “It’s not on the right.”

 

But don't let truth get in the way of a good MAGA propaganda! 🤣

41 minutes ago, novacova said:

Again as usual, the left always gets it turned around and accuses others of what they themselves are guilty of. After all it is the left and only the left that comes to the defense to prop up the criminal thugs as victims and heroes.

"After all it is the left and only the left that comes to the defense to prop up the criminal thugs as victims and heroes."

 

You mean like the thugs who assaulted the Capitol in a lame attempt to steal the election? You're wrong, they were right-wing! 🤣

Politically Motivated Violence is Rare in the United States

It’s a tragedy nonetheless

 

Charlie Kirk, the co-founder of Turning Point USA, was assassinated while speaking at an event in Utah yesterday. The police have not arrested a suspect, but the assassin was likely motivated by political disagreements with Kirk. Politically motivated murder is unacceptable, inherently bad like all murder, and doubly so because of how socially corrosive it is. The harm is personal for Kirk, his family, and friends. The harm is public because so many admired him. Politicians and pundits across the political spectrum have condemned Kirk’s killing, with some variation in quality and a small chorus of social media accounts praising the crime. Politically motivated murder is very uncommon in the United States.

 

https://www.alexnowrasteh.com/p/politically-motivated-violence-is

 

15 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

Politically Motivated Violence is Rare in the United States

It’s a tragedy nonetheless

 

Charlie Kirk, the co-founder of Turning Point USA, was assassinated while speaking at an event in Utah yesterday. The police have not arrested a suspect, but the assassin was likely motivated by political disagreements with Kirk. Politically motivated murder is unacceptable, inherently bad like all murder, and doubly so because of how socially corrosive it is. The harm is personal for Kirk, his family, and friends. The harm is public because so many admired him. Politicians and pundits across the political spectrum have condemned Kirk’s killing, with some variation in quality and a small chorus of social media accounts praising the crime. Politically motivated murder is very uncommon in the United States.

 

https://www.alexnowrasteh.com/p/politically-motivated-violence-is

 

How is it rare? I watched in disgust as mobs of lefties ransacked cities night after night, even hosting uber-violent insurrections like CHAZ. Tried assassinating our President. Now you want us to forget it all? Err. Nope