I think it is time to reopen the quarantine camps to house those criminals masquerading as experts to stop them from poisoning good people and their children. 

I wonder how many unvaccinated infants actually got Hep B 

in developed countries vs the 200k+ adverse reaction incidents reported to VAERS

 

Ahh VAERS, the anti-vaxers' favorite source of meaningless data that proves nothing, as the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. HHS itself confirms:

 

"One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event. This limitation has caused confusion in the publicly available data from VAERS WONDER, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. There have been instances where people have misinterpreted reports of deaths following vaccination as deaths caused by the vaccines; that is not accurate. VAERS accepts all reports of adverse health events following vaccinations without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS represent true vaccine reactions and others are coincidental adverse health events and not related to vaccination. Overall, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS report alone."

 

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html

 

"VAERS has even received a report from an individual claiming a vaccine had turned him into the Incredible Hulk. Of course, this report was not a legitimate account of a vaccine side effect rather to prove a point that anything can be reported to VAERS. It serves as a reminder of the importance of critical analysis when interpreting data from open self-reporting systems.

 

https://www.globalvaccinedatanetwork.org/news/VAERS_misuse_The_zombie_practice_that_keeps_coming_back

 

 

 

 

 

Again once more one of your at least questionable posts.

I wonder if you want to be provocative or believe in conspiracy fake facts.

Here something for your group:

 

Hepatitis B Vaccine Safety | Vaccine Safety | CDC https://share.google/DH4eTP1Sy7wg0V6Q2

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

TallGuyJohninBKK, thanks for being the poster who cites relevant and peer-reviewed medical articles to support your stance on this and many other medical matters, as opposed to the 'loony', tinhat articles that the antivaxxers cite 🙂

So the guy that spent thousands after being misdiagnosed by incompetent doctors still worships doctors. Unbelievable!

11 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Ahh VAERS, the anti-vaxers' favorite source of meaningless data that proves nothing, as the VAERS database maintained by the U.S. HHS itself confirms:

 

"One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event. This limitation has caused confusion in the publicly available data from VAERS WONDER, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. There have been instances where people have misinterpreted reports of deaths following vaccination as deaths caused by the vaccines; that is not accurate. VAERS accepts all reports of adverse health events following vaccinations without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS represent true vaccine reactions and others are coincidental adverse health events and not related to vaccination. Overall, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS report alone."

 

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html

 

"VAERS has even received a report from an individual claiming a vaccine had turned him into the Incredible Hulk. Of course, this report was not a legitimate account of a vaccine side effect rather to prove a point that anything can be reported to VAERS. It serves as a reminder of the importance of critical analysis when interpreting data from open self-reporting systems.

 

https://www.globalvaccinedatanetwork.org/news/VAERS_misuse_The_zombie_practice_that_keeps_coming_back

 

@TallGuyJohninBKK > Ah yes VAERS > Just 1/2 hour ago you posted 

A closer look at the safety data

• A Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) study compared deaths among newborns vaccinated with hepatitis B and unvaccinated newborns. The study found no differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated newborns.1

• CDC reviewed VAERS reports of adverse events following hepatitis B vaccination from 2005 through 2015. During that time, 20,231 reports following hepatitis B or hepatitis B-containing vaccines, were submitted to VAERS. Over half of reports were in persons younger than 2 years of age; the majority of reports (78%) were following hepatitis B-containing vaccines in combination with other vaccines at the same visit. The most frequently reported adverse events for vaccines given in combination were fever, injection site redness, and vomiting. This review of the hepatitis B vaccine did not detect any new or unexpected safety concerns. These findings are consistent with pre-licensure clinical trials and other post-licensure monitoring and research.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/vaccines/hepatitis-b.html

 

>> When a VAERS study confirms your bias, it is 'irrefutable evidence', and when it doesn't it's a 'favorite source of meaningless data that proves nothing'. 

 

My candle burns at both ends;

It will not last the night;

But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends—

It gives a lovely light!

 

Edna St Vincent Millay 

VSD and VAERS are two different systems for reporting potential vaccine side effects.

 

VAERS is not any kind of credible source for identifying confirmed vaccine side effect cases, as it specifically says, contrary to how anti-vaxers regularly try to mis-use and misrepresent its data / reports blaming some particular cause, 

 

VAERS is an early warning system where the CDC monitors reporting and evaluates whether the reports are indicative of actual problems or not.

 

In the case of Hep B vaccines, their analysis found no indication of actual, real beyond normal minor side effect problems caused by the vaccine.

 

17 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

@TallGuyJohninBKK > Ah yes VAERS > Just 1/2 hour ago you posted 

A closer look at the safety data

• A Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) study compared deaths among newborns vaccinated with hepatitis B and unvaccinated newborns. The study found no differences between vaccinated and unvaccinated newborns.1

• CDC reviewed VAERS reports of adverse events following hepatitis B vaccination from 2005 through 2015. During that time, 20,231 reports following hepatitis B or hepatitis B-containing vaccines, were submitted to VAERS. Over half of reports were in persons younger than 2 years of age; the majority of reports (78%) were following hepatitis B-containing vaccines in combination with other vaccines at the same visit. The most frequently reported adverse events for vaccines given in combination were fever, injection site redness, and vomiting. This review of the hepatitis B vaccine did not detect any new or unexpected safety concerns. These findings are consistent with pre-licensure clinical trials and other post-licensure monitoring and research.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety/vaccines/hepatitis-b.html

 

>> When a VAERS study confirms your bias, it is 'irrefutable evidence', and when it doesn't it's a 'favorite source of meaningless data that proves nothing'. 

 

My candle burns at both ends;

It will not last the night;

But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends—

It gives a lovely light!

 

Edna St Vincent Millay 

He failed to point out VAERS reports are done mostly by medical professional.  They are also followed up and investigated, especially if not reported by medical professionals.

 

So accuracy of 'report alone' is taken into consideration, until investigated.   Why the covid deaths reported, dropped after investigated.   Remember peeking at covid vaccine deaths and over 30k, then months later, shy of 30k.

 

What he totally ignores, is the VAERS reports are such a small amount of the adverse reactions to anything.  Sort of like crime reporting, most don't bother reporting, or even know reporting is available.

 

Like the 'if agrees with me' analogy, then it's accurate, if 'not agreeing', then bias or fake.  Sort of like studies & polls.

 

Vaccines kill people ... that's a fact.   There's a specific vaccine  only court in USA, that has paid out billions of $$$$ in compensation.  ... nuff said

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I've not had the vaccine, but banged loads of hookers, how come at 70, I haven't caught it but all these babies have?

I've read your posts before, and they usually show more considered thought than this.

Perhaps the same reason why your house hasn't burned down despite other fires in your town?
Or maybe it's the same reason you haven't died in a car crash, even though thousands are killed in cars every day...

 

Please... Go back to thinking before you post. Your posts were worth reading before.

 

 

2 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

I've read your posts before, and they usually show more considered thought than this.

Perhaps the same reason why your house hasn't burned down despite other fires in your town?
Or maybe it's the same reason you haven't died in a car crash, even though thousands are killed in cars every day...

 

Please... Go back to thinking before you post. Your posts were worth reading before.

 

 

I live in a poured concrete house, it can't burn.

I don't drive at high speeds, or drunk.

I don't take vaccines (from age 12) because even at that age I realised they don't appear to work (unless coerced).

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

It's now so predictable vaccine threads descend into a contest between peer-reviewed articles in reputable journals, and some anonymous Mid-Western "doctor" making claims that are total dumbf##kery.

 

I am tired of ASEAN giving idiots oxygen.

 

 

It makes perfect sense once you realize that most reputable journals and the author's that do the studies and publish in them (and peer review for them) get most of their funding from sources that won't fund them if they don't toe the line.

 

That Midwestern Doctor? Who pays him to post what he finds?  More importantly,  who has the power to defund him?

 

Its nowhere near a good system, but I trust the information from sources that aren't getting paid by one side or the other.

55 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

I think it is time to reopen the quarantine camps to house those criminals masquerading as experts to stop them from poisoning good people and their children. 

 

Fauci should be their first inmate.

29 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So the guy that spent thousands after being misdiagnosed by incompetent doctors still worships doctors. Unbelievable!

Well, if you're talking about my suspected prostate cancer, you cannot diagnose prostate cancer from an MRI.  The doctors at Bumrungrad were exactly correct - the MRI seemed to indicate cancer growths, but the only way to be sure was to have a biopsy, which they advised, and which I had in the UK, and happily that biopsy found only benign calcium growths.  As to the $$ for the MRI, I had to pay that out of my own pocket after my insurer declined to pay!

 

So no incompetent doctors at all - your post is completely incorrect!  Very competent doctors in both Thailand and the UK.  Only the cost that you quote is correct 🙂

 

 

7 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Well, if you're talking about my suspected prostate cancer, you cannot diagnose prostate cancer from an MRI.  The doctors at Bumrungrad were exactly correct - the MRI seemed to indicate cancer growths, but the only way to be sure was to have a biopsy, which they advised, and which I had in the UK, and happily that biopsy found only benign calcium growths.  As to the $$ for the MRI, I had to pay that out of my own pocket after my insurer declined to pay!

 

So no incompetent doctors at all - your post is completely incorrect!  Very competent doctors in both Thailand and the UK.  Only the cost that you quote is correct 🙂

 

 

I fixed the same diagnosis buying 150bht of antibiotics.

No MRI expense, no flight to UK or b&b bills.

Must have cost you thousands of pounds.

 

Oh, and if you did have cancer, no way to cure it.

Did you have hep b vaccine, you're a bit old to have been given it without asking.

 

I've concluded the more vaccines you take, the more illness/allergies you get.

No medical insurance either, 'cos they don't pay when you claim.

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I fixed the same diagnosis buying 150bht of antibiotics.

No MRI expense, no flight to UK or b&b bills.

Must have cost you thousands of pounds.

 

Oh, and if you did have cancer, no way to cure it.

.. and if it had been prostate cancer and I did nothing?  Sure, many prostate cancers grow very slowly, and I might die with prostate cancer, not from it.  But there are also fast-growing prostate cancers, and I wasn't going to take the risk of doing nothing, since I'm not ready to die yet in agony - I have important (for me) things to do in Burma.

 

As to curing PC, why do you say 'no way to cure it'?  If it's still inside the prostate then cure is highly likely.  Even if the cancer has spread, life can be prolonged by medication/radio-therapy etc.

1 minute ago, simon43 said:

.. and if it had been prostate cancer and I did nothing?  Sure, many prostate cancers grow very slowly, and I might die with prostate cancer, not from it.  But there are also fast-growing prostate cancers, and I wasn't going to take the risk of doing nothing, since I'm not ready to die yet in agony - I have important (for me) things to do in Burma.

 

As to curing PC, why do you say 'no way to cure it'?  If it's still inside the prostate then cure is highly likely.  Even if the cancer has spread, life can be prolonged by medication/radio-therapy etc.

Most cancer cured people don't last 5 years,

Probably the same length of time as the untreated.

But without all the pain, expense, baldness and vomiting.

Key Stats on Hepatitis B Vaccination in Newborns

 

•  Effectiveness of Birth Dose:

 

When the hepatitis B vaccine is given within 24 hours of birth, followed by the full 3–4 dose series, 98% of healthy infants develop full immunity.

 

•  Risk Without A Vaccination:

 

  ⁠◦  Newborns infected at birth have a 90% chance of developing chronic hepatitis B.

  ⁠◦  Of those, 25% will die from liver-related complications such as liver failure or cancer.

  ⁠◦  Children infected A between ages 1–5 have a 25–50% chance of chronic 

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Most cancer cured people don't last 5 years,

Probably the same length of time as the untreated.

But without all the pain, expense, baldness and vomiting.

Really.

 

I was diagnosed with bladder cancer 20 years ago.

Just now, Lacessit said:

Really.

I was diagnosed with bladder cancer 20 years ago.

I'd rather be dead than live the existence you endure.

I've avoided stating what that is, as you complain and have my posts removed.

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Sound like the "caught it from a toilet seat" excuse to me.

I just don't believe all those babies are at risk.

If it's as easy to catch as you say, I should have it.

 

And it they have it passed down from their mom's, a vaccine after their birth won't help, the propaganda is just bs, as any thinking person can see.

Thankfully.... your form of 'common sense' about the usefulness of vaccines after contact is in fact... not common.  For instance the rabies vaccine is THE ONLY effective treatment and it does work after exposure as long as given before symptoms develop.

 

Your uneducated opinions are as helpful as second hand toilet paper.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I'd rather be dead than live the existence you endure.

I've avoided stating what that is, as you complain and have my posts removed.

I have a check cystoscopy once a year, about 20 minutes of discomfort.

 

I'd say it is less than the discomfort you have from the STD's you pick up in your random encounters.

 

I can't recall having any of your posts removed, perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. Cite an example.

4 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Thankfully.... your form of 'common sense' about the usefulness of vaccines after contact is in fact... not common.  For instance the rabies vaccine is THE ONLY effective treatment and it does work after exposure as long as given before symptoms develop.

 

Your uneducated opinions are as helpful as second hand toilet paper.

When my rabbit bit me my local vet suggested rabies vaccine for me.

I refused of course, four years later, we're both fine.

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

When my rabbit bit me my local vet suggested rabies vaccine for me.

I refused of course.

Rabbits are extremely unlikely to carry rabies.

 

A broken clock has the correct time twice a day.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Rabbits are extremely unlikely to carry rabies.

 

A broken clock has the correct time twice a day.

Yet, I don't care if you have vaccines or not

But you're desperate for everyone else to be forced to submit

 

Socialism is about control!

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Yet, I don't care if you have vaccines or not

But you're desperate for everyone else to be forced to submit

 

Socialism is about control!

I don't care whether you get vaccinated or not. I care when you spread disinformation.

 

What are you going to do when your life choices catch up to you? Will you own responsibility for your actions?

 

Consequences in Unvaccinated Populations

 

 

  ⁠◦  Over 296 million people live with chronic hepatitis B worldwide A.

  ⁠◦  More than 6 million children under age 5 are chronically infected A.

  ⁠◦  Hepatitis B causes around 820,000 deaths annually, mostly from liver cancer or cirrhosis.

 

Seems like a no-brainer to me.

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I don't care whether you get vaccinated or not. I care when you spread disinformation.

 

What are you going to do when your life choices catch up to you? Will you own responsibility for your actions?

So far,

Lived to 70, had 2 wives,nice houses, 5 children, many many lovers, fully funded until death.

I'm ok with my life choices, how about you?

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

So far,

Lived to 70, had 2 wives,nice houses, 5 children, many many lovers, fully funded until death.

I'm ok with my life choices, how about you?

Still here at 82. I'll be reduced to a government pension of 50,000 baht/month when I am 105.

 

House and condo, two cars, two scooters. One son who has turned out well.

 

How many lovers did you have that were not incentivized by 1000 baht?

The latest from the actual scientists and medical experts at the CDC, as opposed to RFK Jr.'s hand-picked advisory panel led by anti-vaxers and vaccine skeptics:

 

 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

So accuracy of 'report alone' is taken into consideration, until investigated.   Why the covid deaths reported, dropped after investigated.   Remember peeking at covid vaccine deaths and over 30k, then months later, shy of 30k.

 

Those are unconfirmed reports to VAERS that can occur anytime anything happens anytime after a vaccination. And anyone can make the report of what they think or believe was the cause, even without any evidence or proof.. And further, with COVID, doctors are required to report anything they encounter after a vaccination, even if they don't think the vaccine was responsible.

 

In short, your cited numbers above have no bearing on actual vaccine-related COVID deaths in the U.S., for which the CDC last reported an actual confirmed number of SEVEN amid hundreds of millions of COVID vaccine doses given in the U.S,