I'm amazed that bread in Thailand (store bought, mostly sandwich, sliced) does not appear to get stale or mouldy, even after double or triple it's expiry date!

 

The bread that I buy from 711 and other supermarkets lasts well beyond the expiry date, even 2 or 3 weeks after expiry, without a trace of mould on it!!!

 

Having worked in the food industry, I know that this can be acheived by adding very large amounts of poisonous preservatives, but shouldn't the Gov't do some testing to ensure that everybody eating bread does not get cancer etc., from the copious amounts of chemicals added?

Seems lawless here what businesses can put in food and drink, the biggest crime seems to be the cheapest of cheap oil businesses use

Wait until OP learns about Thai iced tea

Not everything in Thailand is made of inferior quality and dangerous ingredients.  Stainless steel refrigerator handles deteriorate within 3–4 years, for example.  This indicates that no protective treatments or preservatives were applied to the door handles.

Everyone here seems to want products made in China and not USA, you lefties got what you wanted

3 hours ago, CanadaSam said:

I'm amazed that bread in Thailand (store bought, mostly sandwich, sliced) does not appear to get stale or mouldy, even after double or triple it's expiry date!

 

The bread that I buy from 711 and other supermarkets lasts well beyond the expiry date, even 2 or 3 weeks after expiry, without a trace of mould on it!!!

 

Having worked in the food industry, I know that this can be acheived by adding very large amounts of poisonous preservatives, but shouldn't the Gov't do some testing to ensure that everybody eating bread does not get cancer etc., from the copious amounts of chemicals added?

As a self acknowledged expert in the food industry with such a noble crusade, I’m wondering why you choose to eat white sliced mass produced bread…?

 

I smell the foul odor of another rabid taco worshipper.

9 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Everyone here seems to want products made in China and not USA, you lefties got what you wanted

Right on que, here try a taco 👍🏼

They do UHT (ultra-high temperature) processing to their commercial milk. I first wondered when I took an extended trip (at least a month) and returned to find the milk in my fridge still smelling and tasting good.

3 hours ago, CanadaSam said:

lasts well beyond the expiry date, even 2 or 3 weeks after expiry, without a trace of mould on it!!!

Lots of preservatives added. 

 

Put a loaf outside tonight, under a cloudless sky, I bet they can see it glowing from the international space station. 

 

53 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Not everything in Thailand is made of inferior quality and dangerous ingredients.  Stainless steel refrigerator handles deteriorate within 3–4 years, for example.  This indicates that no protective treatments or preservatives were applied to the door handles.

Most of the damage on stainless steel handles is from the salt on hands. Occasional cleaning keeps them lasting a lot longer.

2 hours ago, HighPriority said:

As a self acknowledged expert in the food industry with such a noble crusade, I’m wondering why you choose to eat white sliced mass produced bread…?

 

I smell the foul odor of another rabid taco worshipper.

Where did he say it was white? Farmhouse wholewheat must be the healthiest bread in Thailand as my rabbits refuse everything else!

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Where did he say it was white? Farmhouse wholewheat must be the healthiest bread in Thailand as my rabbits refuse everything else!

 

That is what I buy and it does go moldy after a while.  I haven't compared  to  the expiration date (which is really more of a "sell by" date  and not date at which cannot be eaten)  but it certainly doesn't last weeks outside the fridge.

 

So maybe he does mean white bread. 

The whole wheat bread I get at Lotus and the Royal Sprouted and 12 grain doesn't usually last a week without getting mold in a cupboard.

7 hours ago, angryguy said:

Everyone here seems to want products made in China and not USA, you lefties got what you wanted

Lefties ... really    Politics and food purchases, or any purchase.  How about me, left leaning Lib, or so I'm told:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1334208-where-do-you-place-yourself-politically/page/2/#findComment-19108512

 

Back on topic ... 

 

The products I buy, from CHINA, are better than what is offered from the USA, and at a much better price point.   Research before you buy, and you'll be a happy customer.   I don't think I own any products from the USA, with exception of Remington shavers, which are not standing up well to the test of time, though I didn't expect them to.   Sadly, still the best option, but only because I had them shipped over from USA, slow boat, so escapes Thai customs.

 

Food products I buy are also good in TH.  My cornflakes for example, have 4 main ingredients, plus a minute amount of an antioxidant, as a preservative.   Far better than the list on Nestle' & Kellogg's products.  People need to learn how to read labels and research them.

 

 

My homemade bread will turn in a matter of days, and why after day one, it gets sliced and put in the freezer.

 

Buy & eat whole foods.  If it has a label with ingredients, chances are, you can make a better, healthier version yourself.   IF buying, read & understand the damn ingredients, as some aren't unhealthy.  Others, leave them on the shelf.

 

Suggesting buying USA, is laughable, as many of the food products, due to their banned ingredients can't even be sold in other countries.  Bread specifically.

 

 

Even TH bans Potassium bromate and you won't find USA pork in TH either, along with a long list of banned or restricted imports.

 

 

You TH & CN bashers need to enlighten yourselves.   Crap from your home countries, in a work ... SUCK.   Along with being overpriced.

 

Easier and much cheaper to be an educated, thrifty shopper.   Spend more time researching, than bashing & trolling in on AN.

18 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Lefties ... really    Politics and food purchases, or any purchase.  How about me, left leaning Lib, or so I'm told:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1334208-where-do-you-place-yourself-politically/page/2/#findComment-19108512

 

Back on topic ... 

 

The products I buy, from CHINA, are better than what is offered from the USA, and at a much better price point.   Research before you buy, and you'll be a happy customer.   I don't think I own any products from the USA, with exception of Remington shavers, which are not standing up well to the test of time, though I didn't expect them to.   Sadly, still the best option, but only because I had them shipped over from USA, slow boat, so escapes Thai customs.

 

Food products I buy are also good in TH.  My cornflakes for example, have 4 main ingredients, plus a minute amount of an antioxidant, as a preservative.   Far better than the list on Nestle' & Kellogg's products.  People need to learn how to read labels and research them.

 

 

My homemade bread will turn in a matter of days, and why after day one, it gets sliced and put in the freezer.

 

Buy & eat whole foods.  If it has a label with ingredients, chances are, you can make a better, healthier version yourself.   IF buying, read & understand the damn ingredients, as some aren't unhealthy.  Others, leave them on the shelf.

 

Suggesting buying USA, is laughable, as many of the food products, due to their banned ingredients can't even be sold in other countries.  Bread specifically.

 

 

Even TH bans Potassium bromate and you won't find USA pork in TH either, along with a long list of banned or restricted imports.

 

 

You TH & CN bashers need to enlighten yourselves.   Crap from your home countries, in a work ... SUCK.   Along with being overpriced.

 

Easier and much cheaper to be an educated, thrifty shopper.   Spend more time researching, than bashing & trolling in on AN.

You can buy many whole grain products and bread in the US, as there are many whole foods markets there. Things in regular supermarkets do have preservatives, some of which may be harmful if eaten in quantities, but most anything you can buy elsewhere you can get in the US. I do agree some things from other countries are better, and always have been, but as far as food, you can obtain healthy foods there if you search and know what you're looking for. 

Buy and use a breadmaker.

 

Them bread full of wicked chemicals.

Discovered the same in Florida back in the days, and stopped eating bread, since it was hard to find good German style bread. Did eat tortillas  instead, but not sure if that was a better solution. 

 

 

Just remember when you fry the bread the black parts taste the best.

Since I lost all my teeth (not at the ATM spot), I prefer bread crust as soft as possible — that way my less powerful bite can still be effective. The darker bread from 7/11 suits me just fine, and more importantly, I’m still alive. Just wondering — how long does bread last in Australia, down under?

43 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

, but as far as food, you can obtain healthy foods there if you search and know what you're looking for. 

That seems to be quite the challenge for many AN members 

 

I ate very good & healthy in the USA.  As always ... choose wisely.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

The whole wheat bread I get at Lotus and the Royal Sprouted and 12 grain doesn't usually last a week without getting mold in a cupboard.

My experience also with Tops and Lotus house brands. 

 

The Farmhouse brand lasts a bit longer, maybe 10 days.

 

Ingrediants are listed on labels, though often only in Thai, 

12 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

My experience also with Tops and Lotus house brands. 

 

The Farmhouse brand lasts a bit longer, maybe 10 days.

 

Ingrediants are listed on labels, though often only in Thai, 

Yes, and sometimes you can find the ingredients online in English. Can't wait to buy a bread maker to make my own.

I keep my bread in the freezer and it stays good for a very long time.  Easy to toast or let warm up on the counter.

Makro shopper, so if buying, it's in house bakery, whole wheat loaves (non Artisan) and decent ingredients for store bought bread;

Flour + whole wheat flour (translated as 'instant' flour)

 

 

When O&A, it's FarmHouse from 7-11, whole wheat again (Royal or regular), also decent:

 

 

 

 

I buy Continental Bakery bread, very popular here in Pattaya, i freeze it day 1 so will never go mouldy, tastes soft and fresh when i take out

5 minutes ago, how241 said:

I keep my bread in the freezer and it stays good for a very long time.  Easy to toast or let warm up on the counter.

 

The only sensible way to do it.

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Farmhouse wholewheat must be the healthiest bread in Thailand as my rabbits refuse everything else!

 

We like the Farmhouse wholewheat too, oddly the white version is inedible!!

 

Ingredients courtesy of Google Translate.

 

 

Information below is from chatGPT, treat it as you would any other AI generated content.

 

Food additive INS 282

INS 282 is 

calcium propionate, an organic salt used as a common food preservative to inhibit the growth of mold and certain bacteria, especially in baked goods. It is also known as E282 in Europe. 

 

Primary functions

• Inhibits mold and bacteria: INS 282 is highly effective in extending the shelf life of products by interfering with the metabolism of microorganisms like mold and bacteria.
• Used in bakery products: It is commonly added to sliced bread, buns, and other commercial baked goods to prevent them from becoming stale due to mold growth.
• Functions as a calcium source: In addition to its preservative qualities, it can add to the nutritional calcium content of the food. 

 

Common uses

• Baked goods: Found in bread, pastries, muffins, and pizza dough.
• Dairy products: Used in certain cheeses, processed cheese products, and whey.
• Other foods: Also used in processed meats, fruit pies, and beverages. 

 

Safety and regulation

• Generally Recognized As Safe (GRAS): Health agencies, including the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), classify calcium propionate as safe for consumption when used within regulated limits.
• Not a significant health risk for most: The body does not store calcium propionate; it is broken down in the digestive system and eliminated.
• Potential side effects: In rare cases or in sensitive individuals, excessive intake may cause headaches, migraines, or, in children, behavioral changes like irritability.
• pH dependency: Calcium propionate works best in products with a lower pH (more acidic), typically below 5.5. In items with a higher pH, different preservatives may be used. 

 

ins 300 food additive

INS 300 is the food additive code for 

ascorbic acid, also known as Vitamin C. It is widely used in the food and beverage industries as an antioxidant, preservative, and acidity regulator. 

 

Uses in food

• Preventing oxidation: As a powerful antioxidant, ascorbic acid prevents food products from oxidizing and deteriorating. This helps extend shelf life and maintain color and flavor in items like fruit juices, canned fruits, and processed meats.
• Acidity regulation: It can be used to control the pH level of foods, which helps ensure safety and consistency in taste.
• Flour treatment: In baking, ascorbic acid acts as a "flour improver," strengthening gluten, which leads to increased loaf volume and improved crumb structure in bread.
• Color stabilization: For cured meats and sausages, it helps fix and stabilize the color, while also inhibiting the formation of toxic compounds from nitrites.
• Fortification: It is added to some foods, like infant formula, as a nutritional supplement to boost Vitamin C content. 

 

Safety and origin

• Naturally occurring: Ascorbic acid is found naturally in many fruits and vegetables, including citrus fruits, peppers, and berries.
• Synthetic production: For commercial use, it is typically produced synthetically through the fermentation and oxidation of glucose.
• Safety rating: Regulatory bodies such as the Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (JECFA) and the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) have evaluated the use of ascorbic acid and its salts as safe.
• Side effects: While safe in amounts used as a food additive, very high doses from supplements could potentially cause side effects like nausea or stomach cramps. 

 

ins 471 food additive

INS 471 is a common food additive, also known as mono- and diglycerides of fatty acids, which is 

used to emulsify, stabilize, and thicken processed foods. It is derived from fatty acids and glycerol, which can come from either plant or animal sources, meaning its suitability for vegan, vegetarian, or halal diets is dependent on its origin. 

 

Uses in food

INS 471 is widely used to improve the texture, shelf life, and consistency of various food products. 

• Baked goods: It acts as an anti-staling agent in bread, cakes, and muffins, improving softness and extending freshness.
• Ice cream and dairy: It creates a smooth, creamy texture and prevents large ice crystals from forming.
• Spreads and margarine: It ensures a uniform texture and prevents the oil and water from separating.
• Confectionery: It is used in chocolates and candies to maintain a smooth consistency and prevent fat bloom.
• Infant formula: This additive is used in specific infant formula products. 

 

Origin and dietary concerns

The source of INS 471 determines its suitability for certain dietary restrictions. 

• Vegan and vegetarian: It can be derived from vegetable oils, such as soybean, palm, or coconut oil. However, it can also come from animal fats like beef tallow or lard (pig fat), which is why product labels must be checked for origin details.
• Halal: For the additive to be halal, it must be sourced from plants or halal-certified animal fats. Since the source is often not specified on ingredient lists, it is considered "doubtful" or mashbooh unless the product is clearly labeled as vegetarian or vegan. 

 

Health and safety

INS 471 is generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by regulatory bodies such as the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA). However, recent studies suggest potential health considerations, primarily linked to high consumption of ultra-processed foods. 

• A 2024 French study linked high consumption of emulsifiers, including E471, to a slightly increased risk of certain cancers, specifically breast and prostate cancer.
• The study emphasizes that this finding shows a correlation, not a direct cause, and that the combined effect of multiple additives in processed foods might be a factor.
• Despite these studies, EFSA has not found any safety concerns at current usage levels, and regulators continue to monitor new research. 

 

ins 481 food additive

INS 481 is the food additive 

Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate (SSL), an emulsifier and stabilizer. It is a versatile, FDA-approved ingredient used to improve the texture, shelf life, and mix tolerance of a wide variety of processed foods. In Europe, it is also known as E481. 

 

Key functions and uses

• Emulsifier: INS 481 helps to blend liquids that normally do not mix, such as oil and water.
• Dough strengthener: In baked goods like bread, rolls, and tortillas, it enhances dough strength, improves volume, and creates a better, softer crumb structure.
• Crumb softener: It interacts with starches in baked goods to retard the staling process, extending the product's shelf life.
• Stabilizer: It is used in products like whipped toppings, non-dairy coffee creamers, and sauces to maintain a stable emulsion and consistent texture.
• Other applications: You can find it in a range of products, including pancakes, waffles, puddings, chewing gum, cheese substitutes, and canned meats. 

 

Safety and origin

• Origin: INS 481 is typically made by reacting stearic acid (derived from vegetable oils like palm oil) and lactic acid, then neutralizing it with food-grade sodium hydroxide. While its components can sometimes be animal-derived, it is widely available from vegetable sources and is often considered vegan.
• Safety: It is considered safe for consumption by major food safety authorities, including the FDA in the U.S. and EFSA in Europe. It has been subjected to extensive safety evaluations.
• Concerns: When inhaled in its pure powder form, it may cause minor respiratory irritation. Some food safety organizations have noted that children may exceed the acceptable daily intake in certain regions. 

 

19 minutes ago, Crossy said:

We like the Farmhouse wholewheat too, oddly the white version is inedible!!

My rabbits agree with you!

9 hours ago, angryguy said:

Everyone here seems to want products made in China and not USA, you lefties got what you wanted

You might want to look what crap is allowed to be put into the food of the USA, banned in many countries as it is dangerous. 

Got nothing to do with political choices one makes. You really got a chip on your shoulder. Maybe start reading some proper materials. 

14 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

That is what I buy and it does go moldy after a while.  I haven't compared  to  the expiration date (which is really more of a "sell by" date  and not date at which cannot be eaten)  but it certainly doesn't last weeks outside the fridge.

 

I bought that stuff (sorry, I wouldn't call it bread) too, for the first time, about a month ago,  and one month after opening it looks, feels and tastes like on the first day.

Not in fridge, not even in a/c. Maybe the air in a higher floor is drier?

I didn't look for an expiration date,  it obviously doesn't need one (maybe AD 2500?).

Actually, I was thinking of posting about it, @CanadaSam was faster.