1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

You are clearly someone who should not be involved with dogs in any way whatsoever.

 

You have a bleeding heart for dangerous animals. It's this kind of thinking that leads to stories like this and many others.

23 minutes ago, grain said:

I would if any dog I owned deliberatly bit me or any of the immediate family members, I'd kick its worthless ass fast and hard into the nearest dog pound. 

That says it all about you and your attitude to dogs, and to animals in general.

18 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

You have a bleeding heart for dangerous animals. It's this kind of thinking that leads to stories like this and many others.

Yes indeed. I am concerned for the well-being of animals, dangerous or not.

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

 I am not impressed by the way humans have treated other humans throughout history.

That much is obvious, however unrelated to the OP about the dog or my reply. 

Perhaps you should start up a topic about putting down humans who show aggressive behavior and physically bite or take a chunk out of dogs who did nothing? 

8 minutes ago, thesetat said:

That much is obvious, however unrelated to the OP about the dog or my reply. 

Perhaps you should start up a topic about putting down humans who show aggressive behavior and physically bite or take a chunk out of dogs who did nothing? 

I would never be in favour of putting down any creature, be it human or animal.

15 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

I would never be in favour of putting down any creature, be it human or animal.

 

It's horrible. I had to put down a beautiful Weimaraner. Last thing I wanted to do, but he was a leathal danger. I cried more when I had him put down than when any family member died. Probably the guilt.

 

Sometimes you have to do it though.

2 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

If you take away a dog's food bowl and it growls then you can slap it and see if that corrects its behavior. What if you need to take away your wife's food bowl and she growls? There's no recourse that doesn't land you in jail so yes indeed a poorly trained woman is worse than a poorly trained dog.

 

Well, if a dog growls at you, that's already a sign of an underlying problem. If you get puppies at a young age and they have good character there is absolutely no instance ever when they should growl at you, even if you take food away. And I also used to believe in physical punishment for the dog, but I learnt that it is the worst thing you can do. It's better to express your displeasure with your voice. Unlike with women, who love that, you should just walk away.

 

If you hit a dog too badly it will hate you and you will not be able to train it.

15 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, if a dog growls at you, that's already a sign of an underlying problem. If you get puppies at a young age and they have good character there is absolutely no instance ever when they should growl at you, even if you take food away. And I also used to believe in physical punishment for the dog, but I learnt that it is the worst thing you can do. It's better to express your displeasure with your voice. Unlike with women, who love that, you should just walk away.

 

If you hit a dog too badly it will hate you and you will not be able to train it.

That is not true... a dog does not growl only as an underlying problem with aggression. It is a warning.  A dog might growl to threaten another dog, or it might be a response to feeling cornered. Growling is also a common symptom of resource guarding. An injured dog will often growl to keep others at bay. In these cases, and more, growling indicates something is bothering your dog

17 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

If your dog feels entitled to attack you because you messed with its food then it needs to get its kicked fast and hard. There's even a well known expression here "don't bite the hand that feeds you". 

I doubt the dog would be the same after that. If it was a protector dog or had some loyalty to you that would be gone, or at least diminished. A situation that would probably make both of you more frustrated with each other.

 

The classic situation of the old guy kicking his dog and them both just sitting there in front of the television, yet they can't end the relationship. You would be left with a dog that just hung around to be fed and/or was not interested in you much. It could also lash out at more vulnerable members of the family, maybe out of fear.

34 minutes ago, thesetat said:

That is not true... a dog does not growl only as an underlying problem with aggression. It is a warning.  A dog might growl to threaten another dog, or it might be a response to feeling cornered. Growling is also a common symptom of resource guarding. An injured dog will often growl to keep others at bay. In these cases, and more, growling indicates something is bothering your dog

 

If a dog growls at you, its owner, it's a major underlying issue. No dog should ever warn its owner. If that happens it means something is very wrong.

3 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

you have to show dogs who the boss is. If you bite my hand when I mess with your food bowl you're going to get something back in return. If the dog is still up for a real fight then I'm done with it.

 

This is true. I absolutely love dogs but they need to know who the boss is. If trained properly from a young age like my other 5 dogs this isn't necessary as the situation will never arise. 

 

However, when we bought our land 2 young adult dogs came with it, from the previous owners. Totally untrained, one of them (Thai Ridgeback mix) was very aggressive and bit my leg when I tried to move him away from the door he was blocking me from closing. Very painful, I instantly whacked him with a piece of drainpipe that was lying around but he didn't back down at all so I beat him pretty bad with some dried bamboo pole and didn't feed him for 3 days afterwards, basically kicking an empty bowl towards him and cursing him out as I fed the other dogs.

 

He avoided me for around a month but he's absolutely fine now. In fact we get on great, he always follows me around and lies next to me as I do my errands around the place and he loves attention, is very affectionate etc. If I'd been submissive to him, I have no doubt he would have turned into another "Chao Mo".

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

If trained properly from a young age like my other 5 dogs this isn't necessary as the situation will never arise. 

 

Exactly right. A dog of good character which you trained as a puppy will never attack you or growl at you. Even when fighting with its sister and and in the throes of anger my dog would still never harm me and always accept you are the leader.

 

If you are in territory where you have to "show" you're the leader, it's already gone downhilll.

 

Which is why you get puppies and not adult dogs, and also why you get a girlfriend that's as young as possible and not a woman of advanced age. The risk of lack of respect is multiplied.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Well, if a dog growls at you, that's already a sign of an underlying problem. If you get puppies at a young age and they have good character there is absolutely no instance ever when they should growl at you, even if you take food away. And I also used to believe in physical punishment for the dog, but I learnt that it is the worst thing you can do. It's better to express your displeasure with your voice. Unlike with women, who love that, you should just walk away.

 

 

sure do that first but if it escalates you either need to escalate with it or just call it quits and abandon it one way or another. The keeping of aggressive dogs that receive no discipline and never change is really the problem here.

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

I would never be in favour of putting down any creature, be it human or animal.

 

This is suicidal empathy which is affecting many people in modern times and leading to even more violence. It's not a virtue, it's a weakness or perhaps even a moral disease of sorts.

 

What about this guy? Stabs a 6 year to death. It would be a real shame if he got executed right? Think of the bright future he could have had.

 

https://www.wsfa.com/2025/10/03/family-upset-after-man-convicted-6-year-olds-2015-stabbing-death-released-prison/

6 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

sure do that first but if it escalates you either need to escalate with it or just call it quits and abandon it one way or another. The keeping of aggressive dogs that receive no discipline and never change is really the problem here.

 

I had a dog like this. I took in a  4 month old Weimaraner.What I didn't know was that the dog was abused as a puppy, so it had major behavioural issues.

 

It would bite my wife, quite badly in the heel, blood everywhere. And when I came home from work, one day, this dog tried to bite my neck. By God's grace I had a thick coat on, or else he would have hit the jugular.

 

Prior to that I had beaten the dog  for its bad behaviour. And very serverely. Clearly beating the dog only made things worse. I had to put this dog down, as he couldn't even be given away in good conscience.

 

There comes a point when "showing who's boss" just becomes counter productive and the dog hates you.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

 And I also used to believe in physical punishment for the dog, but I learnt that it is the worst thing you can do. It's better to express your displeasure with your voice. Unlike with women, who love that, you should just walk away.

 

 

25 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Which is why you get puppies and not adult dogs, and also why you get a girlfriend that's as young as possible and not a woman of advanced age. The risk of lack of respect is multiplied.

You have deep psychological issues and need help. 

And you wonder why you don't get respect from women....

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

 

You have deep psychological issues and need help. 

And you wonder why you don't get respect from women....

 

I think you have more psychological issues if you think you can do a hobby psychoanalysis of a mind that is vastly superior to yours.

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I had a dog like this. I took in a  4 month old Weimaraner.What I didn't know was that the dog was abused as a puppy, so it had major behavioural issues.

 

It would bite my wife, quite badly in the heel, blood everywhere. And when I came home from work, one day, this dog tried to bite my neck. By God's grace I had a thick coat on, or else he would have hit the jugular.

 

Prior to that I had beaten the dog  for its bad behaviour. And very serverely. Clearly beating the dog only made things worse. I had to put this dog down, as he couldn't even be given away in good conscience.

 

There comes a point when "showing who's boss" just becomes counter productive and the dog hates you.

 

ok this sounds like a dog that needs to be dispatched. If it won't listen, can't be persuaded and beating it doesn't humble it either then it's simply not fit to live with people. Same thing with dangerous criminals that repeat offend. Just gotta let them go and have mercy for the innocent.

5 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

You have deep psychological issues and need help. 

 

but is his really wrong about the older vs younger women and respect? the older people get the more baggage they have so I think he's more or less correct.

Just now, NorthernRyland said:

 

ok this sounds like a dog that needs to be dispatched. If it won't listen, can't be persuaded and beating it doesn't humble it either then it's simply not fit to live with people. Same thing with dangerous criminals that repeat offend. Just gotta let them go and have mercy for the innocent.

 

Exactly, very sad, it was a lovely dog, just with huge behavioural issues. I had to put him down. Unbelievable what a sad event it was, much more traumatic than any family member dying.

31 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

This is suicidal empathy which is affecting many people in modern times and leading to even more violence. It's not a virtue, it's a weakness or perhaps even a moral disease of sorts.

 

What about this guy? Stabs a 6 year to death. It would be a real shame if he got executed right? Think of the bright future he could have had.

 

https://www.wsfa.com/2025/10/03/family-upset-after-man-convicted-6-year-olds-2015-stabbing-death-released-prison/

I referred, specifically, putting down. I come from a military family whose service goes back over many generations. Death in combat for us is, and has always been, a part of life. 

4 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

you have to show dogs who the boss is. If you bite my hand when I mess with your food bowl you're going to get something back in return. If the dog is still up for a real fight then I'm done with it.

This was proven just today. I went with my ex to talk to the person who caused my accident on her scooter a few months back. No one was there and three dogs came towards us. By talking to them low, they kept their distance though growling. We walked about 200 meters to the house and ended up talking to a neighbor working the rubber trees.

 

While we left we started walking back to the car. The dogs had lain down after we passed them. They all got up and started in again, this time growling more and getting closer. My ex had picked up a digging tool and when the lead dog came at us she tried to swing at it. This only pissed him off and I told her to stop.

 

I talked to the dog in low tones and advanced towards him and he backed away a little. While we were walking the last 100 meters to the car, they kept close and if we turned away they came at our heels, so I again turned around and walked towards them, talking to them . This went on until we got to the car and left.

 

This has happened quite a few times here, and a few in the US. Always walking towards them and talking low worked. This is the same strategy you use with bears, who can be bluffed if you act bigger and yell. Not always of course but you never run from any predator or turn your back on them  unless you can get away easily. 

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

This was proven just today. I went with my ex to talk to the person who caused my accident on her scooter a few months back. No one was there and three dogs came towards us. By talking to them low, they kept their distance though growling. We walked about 200 meters to the house and ended up talking to a neighbor working the rubber trees.

 

While we left we started walking back to the car. The dogs had lain down after we passed them. They all got up and started in again, this time growling more and getting closer. My ex had picked up a digging tool and when the lead dog came at us she tried to swing at it. This only pissed him off and I told her to stop.

 

I talked to the dog in low tones and advanced towards him and he backed away a little. While we were walking the last 100 meters to the car, they kept close and if we turned away they came at our heels, so I again turned around and walked towards them, talking to them . This went on until we got to the car and left.

 

This has happened quite a few times here, and a few in the US. Always walking towards them and talking low worked. This is the same strategy you use with bears, who can be bluffed if you act bigger and yell. Not always of course but you never run from any predator or turn your back on them  unless you can get away easily. 

 

Yes, with strange dogs confrontation is actually a better option than running away in most cases.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, if a dog growls at you, that's already a sign of an underlying problem. If you get puppies at a young age and they have good character there is absolutely no instance ever when they should growl at you, even if you take food away. And I also used to believe in physical punishment for the dog, but I learnt that it is the worst thing you can do. It's better to express your displeasure with your voice. Unlike with women, who love that, you should just walk away.

 

If you hit a dog too badly it will hate you and you will not be able to train it.

True, as a dog looks at us as other dogs and the owner has to be the alpha towards his dog. It doesn't need to be beating a dog, which will only cower from you and not be as close as it could be.

 

My uncle had a Doberman, and when it broke it's leg in a fall, he babied it, which isn't the right thing to do. That dog afterwards would not let anyone near anything that fell on the ground. It would go after anyone. I didn't know this and picked up something next to the dog. I was maybe 10 or less. It didn't bite me as I'm thinking it didn't see me as a threat but the same day I was there it went after an adult and had to be restrained and put into another room. Dogs respond very well to a deep voice, and if you start them young, you will be the leader and it would be very rare for a dog trained this way to attack it's owner. It does happen as we've seen, but we  aren't there and we don't know how those animals were treated.

 

My ex's mom always shows control over the dogs at her house, pushing them down with her hand on their heads against the ground, or uses her foot, and I always think one of these animals is going to pay her back someday, as it isn't love she shows but abuse and control. She never pets or hugs them .

Just now, fredwiggy said:

It doesn't need to be beating a dog, which will only cower from you and not be as close as it could be.

 

 

Yes, even dogs, if you inflict too much pain they'll hate you, not respect you.

 

Again this shows the importance of the Buddha's middle way approach, extremes on either side have the same effect, lack of respect and hatred both lead to negative outcomes.

 

In the UK I used to put my dog with a kennel, where an older woman was in charge. This older woman had such experience commanding respect from dogs, there was literally no dog that disrespected her. They all ate out of her hands so to speak. Amazing to watch. Natural authority. Knowing what to do and how to behave with dogs.

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

I would never be in favour of putting down any creature, be it human or animal.

 

Even if it ate your 5 year old children face? Soi dog for example