22 hours ago, Cameroni said:

And yet again a Brit asks Russia to fight his war for him.

 

Things never change.

 

The UK is at war with Ukraine?

10 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

The UK is at war with Ukraine?

 

Not at this time, Ray,  I was of course referring to the sorry spectacle of Britain letting Russia fight the real war in WWII, whilst Britain herself, despite repeated pleas from the USSR, did not dare to actually fight on the ground until 1944 when the war was effectively decided by Russia and really over already.

23 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The usual British tactics, join the winners when the war is over.

can you please give a few examples of this?

2 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

can you please give a few examples of this?

 

Like in WWII, when Britain only dared to actually fight on the ground and open a proper front in 1944, when the Russians had already decided the war.

 

The USSR was pleading with its allies for years to open a second front, but to no avail. Only when the Russians had already won the war did their allies make a "triumphant" entry in Normandy, lol.

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not at this time, Ray,  I was of course referring to the sorry spectacle of Britain letting Russia fight the real war in WWII, whilst Britain herself, despite repeated pleas from the USSR, did not dare to actually fight on the ground until 1944 when the war was effectively decided by Russia and really over already.

you need to get your facts right, plus you disrespect all the men and women who sacrificed their lives during the 1st and 2nd WW so that you can sit at a keyboard and talk rubbish. 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not at this time, Ray,  I was of course referring to the sorry spectacle of Britain letting Russia fight the real war in WWII, whilst Britain herself, despite repeated pleas from the USSR, did not dare to actually fight on the ground until 1944 when the war was effectively decided by Russia and really over already.

 

Cameroni, You conveniently forget that the UK stood alone against Germany during 1940/41 while Stalin was cozying up to his BFF, Herr Hitler.

 

If the UK had fallen during this time - or sued for peace - Hitler would have turned his full attention to Russia and she would have succumbed sooner or later.

1 minute ago, stupidfarang said:

you need to get your facts right, plus you disrespect all the men and women who sacrificed their lives during the 1st and 2nd WW so that you can sit at a keyboard and talk rubbish. 

 

I have my facts right, you are talking rubbish. Britain did not open a real front in WWII until 1944. When the Russians had already decided the war.

 

Telling the truth is not disrespecting anyone. Keeping that quiet is disresepcting the true record of history.

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

Cameroni, You conveniently forget that the UK stood alone against Germany during 1940/41 while Stalin was cozying up to his BFF, Herr Hitler.

 

If the UK had fallen during this time - or sued for peace - Hitler would have turned his full attention to Russia and she would have succumbed sooner or later.

 

Please, "stood alone" against a Germany that had no real desire to be at war with Britain in the first place, and was only forced to fight a phone and aerial war because of Churchill's ideological love of empire.

 

Everyone of course cozied up to Hitler, including Churchill, Chamberlain and the Daily Mail, much of the UK establishment, the Mitford sisters, Lord Haw Haw....the list is long as regards the British.

 

Germany could never have defeated Russia, because Russia viciously outnumbered Germany in materiel. Germany never had a chance.

12 hours ago, angryguy said:

Doesnt surprise me. If i were british i would have left too. Probably to southeast asia though, not russia

OMG look at the state Thailand is in, (strictly according to AN only), please let Southeast Asia be.. North Korea would be a better option. 

12 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Russian solders have a one month survival rate. 

 

So is this why there are so many Russians in Thailand, at the moment?

Also, it seems foolish to volunteer, unless one might be a stakeholder in the conflict.

 

What does this man have to gain, exactly?

 

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I have my facts right, you are talking rubbish. Britain did not open a real front in WWII until 1944. When the Russians had already decided the war.

 

Telling the truth is not disrespecting anyone. Keeping that quiet is disresepcting the true record of history.

England started fighting the Nazis in 1939, also fighting Nazis in Egypt from 1941, my father was captured in 1942 by the Germans in Nth Africa. RAF fought in the sky's while England regrouped after a punishing war in Europe as the Nazis raced through Europe with a better equipped army. To regroup and build a well equipped army to the go back in was the right option to win in the long run. Do not forget the air force who fought in the sky's and the navy who took on a superior force to eventually sink them. I do think you have shown little respect to the men and women who fought for us and given little thought to your original comment. I will leave it at that.

23 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The usual British tactics, join the winners when the war is over.

sounds more like Italians to me.. do you understand history??.. obviously not.

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Like in WWII, when Britain only dared to actually fight on the ground and open a proper front in 1944, when the Russians had already decided the war.

 

The USSR was pleading with its allies for years to open a second front, but to no avail. Only when the Russians had already won the war did their allies make a "triumphant" entry in Normandy, lol.

and you laugh about it? Think about all those men who died on the beach. War is never a good thing and you have to pragmatic about it, England was not in a position to help Russia as they were building an army and equipment so they could fight again. They were not in a position to fight after Germany raced through Europe with their better equipped army, navy and air force.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Please, "stood alone" against a Germany that had no real desire to be at war with Britain in the first place, and was only forced to fight a phone and aerial war because of Churchill's ideological love of empire.

 

I realise that as apologist and cheerleader-in-chief for all things Russian, certain facts are hard for you to swallow, however irrespective of whether Hitler wanted a war with the UK or not, that is what he was involved in, and it was only the UK's refusal to yield which prevented Germany turning his full attention to destroying Russia.

 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Everyone of course cozied up to Hitler, including Churchill, Chamberlain and the Daily Mail, much of the UK establishment, the Mitford sisters, Lord Haw Haw....the list is long as regards the British.

 

While there were fascist and Nazi sympathizers in the UK, to suggest that "everyone including Churchill" cozied up to Hitler is complete and utter tosh.

 

The very fact that the UK declared war on Germany is enough in itself to disprove that nonsense.

 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Germany could never have defeated Russia, because Russia viciously outnumbered Germany in materiel. Germany never had a chance.

 

Russia greatly outnumbered Germany in terms of manpower and armaments, but Germany's military was better trained and its' hardware was better quality which, at least, partly mitigated matters.

 

More importantly, without the UK's involvement in the war - and assuming that Germany would have cut ties with Japan - it is extremely unlikely that the Lend-Lease legislation would have been enacted by the US. This would have left Russia in dire straits.

 

It might not have happened quickly, but without having to worry about the Allies, the end result would have been a German victory over Russia.

13 minutes ago, stupidfarang said:

England started fighting the Nazis in 1939, also fighting Nazis in Egypt from 1941, my father was captured in 1942 by the Germans in Nth Africa. RAF fought in the sky's while England regrouped after a punishing war in Europe as the Nazis raced through Europe with a better equipped army. To regroup and build a well equipped army to the go back in was the right option to win in the long run. Do not forget the air force who fought in the sky's and the navy who took on a superior force to eventually sink them. I do think you have shown little respect to the men and women who fought for us and given little thought to your original comment. I will leave it at that.

 

No, England declared war in 1939, but actually did not honour its promise to fight to save Poland. Rather the BEF made an embarassing retreat at Dunkirk, courtesy of the German leadership, who could have destroyed them.

 

What followed in 1939 was the Phoney War when England did not dare to engage in any military operation whatsoever.

 

"The Phoney War was an eight-month period at the outset of World War II, during which there were virtually no Allied military land operations on the Western Front from roughly September 1939 to May 1940."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoney_War

 

Egypt, yah, a giant theatre of war, obviously. In reality it was a mere sideshow. England regrouped after a "punishing war in Europe"? What are you talking about, England did not fight on the ground in any meaningful way until 1944. Airforce and Navy, yah, so no fighting on the ground by any army then. Got it.

Severe idiocy.

9 minutes ago, RayC said:

it is extremely unlikely that the Lend-Lease legislation would have been enacted by the US. This would have left Russia in dire straits.

 

It might not have happened quickly, but without having to worry about the Allies, the end result would have been a German victory over Russia.

Russia outnumbered Germany in materiel in an obscene way in almost all areas, long before Lend Lease even arrived.

 

With or without Lend Lease Germany could never have secured victory over Russia. Russia simply outnumbered Germany in tanks, planes and by a giant margin. Germany never had a chance.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Russia outnumbered Germany in materiel in an obscene way in almost all areas, long before Lend Lease even arrived.

 

With or without Lend Lease Germany could never have secured victory over Russia. Russia simply outnumbered Germany in tanks, planes and by a giant margin. Germany never had a chance.

 

The Luftwaffe was vastly superior to the Russian air force both in terms of aircraft and pilot performance, a fact demonstrated in 1941. Without having to worry about the UK, the Luftwaffe could have turned its' full attention to destroying Russian production facilities. 

 

You dismiss Land-Lease as insignificant but the opposite is true. For example, 

"In total, 92.7% of the wartime procurement of railroad equipment by the USSR came from Lend-Lease ... nearly a third of the trucks used by the Red Army were U.S.-built ...

Lend-Lease also supplied significant amounts of weapons and ammunition (and food and clothing) The Soviet air force received 18,200 aircraft, which amounted to about 30 percent of Soviet wartime fighter and bomber production over the course of the war .... A critical aspect of Lend-Lease was the supply of food. The invasion had cost the USSR a huge amount of its agricultural base; during the initial Axis offensive of 1941–42, the total sown area of the USSR fell by 41.9% and the number of collective and state farms by 40%" (Source: Wikipedia)

 

It is clear that Land-Lease was vital during WW2. Without it, Russia (and the UK) would have been severely weakened. Russia fighting on her own without Land-Lease would have succumbed, maybe not quickly, but eventually.

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

Right. Like WW2. Oh, hold on .....

like the Yanks in both World wars joined in half way, cant fight there way out of a paper bag ha ha, defeated by woman on push bikes in NAM.

9 minutes ago, RayC said:

The Luftwaffe was vastly superior to the Russian air force both in terms of aircraft and pilot performance

 

That was the case with the RAF as well, with Germany having superior planes and England using wooden Mosquitos, but the issue was, as ever, sheer numbers. Germany did not have enough planes.

 

The RAF had some slight effect on the timing of Barbarossa, but they did not really have a great effect. Even their obscene war crime in using area bombing did not have a major effect, as the Germans could rebuild factories, and a post war survey confirmed area bombing was a failure.

 

Yes, yes, rail and trucks, but if you look at the numbers of aircraft, Russia outnumbered Germany long before Lend Lease. Lend Lease was a "nice to have" but it was no way "vital" or decisive in the war. Even if some Russians said so later out of politeness, no doubt seeking to ingratiate themselves with the West.

 

Russia would have defeated Germany with or without Lend Lease.

 

On 10/6/2025 at 9:42 PM, Cameroni said:

To be fair Saratov is a lot nicer than Harlow these days.

Russian women are a lot better than our lot.

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Russian women are a lot better than our lot.

 

I don't know, I rate English roses very highly. And of course as you can imagine, I had plucked them sucessfully. Not that that's hard, hahahaha.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

I don't know, I rate English roses very highly. And of course as you can imagine, I had plucked them sucessfully. Not that that's hard, hahahaha.

You can have em.

I would be happy if I never spoke to one ever again.

Some of these Russian birds getting around Phuket, I would give my left ball for.

On 10/6/2025 at 9:11 PM, Cameroni said:

The usual British tactics, join the winners when the war is over.

lol you are f'kin kidding right. Hilarious. A two thousand year old country does not win like that. Proper troll. Britain has always stood alone and this sentiment is the tactic of the yank. Please enlighten us as to when America joined WWII? Don't worry, we already know. Battle of Britain does not feature in your vocabulary. Proper opportunistic yellow bellies. You pricks have no clue of war, and also have no clue of what Ukraine is up against because you have never had the pleasure of being invaded.

Just now, MalcolmB said:

You can have em.

I would be happy if I never spoke to one ever again.

Some of these Russian birds getting around Phuket, I would give my left ball for.

 

Well, Russian women are beautiful, you are not wrong, but an English girl is highly underrated. There are so many beautiful English girls, I was really quite surprised. Big fan.

7 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Russian women are a lot better than our lot.

There is too much inbreeding in your country.

Just now, daveAustin said:

Britain has always stood alone

 

Well, and was inevitably defeated. The Romans, the Vikings, the French, the Germans, sorry Angles, Jutes, Saxons, England's has bent over more than France has, really.

 

That's right. I said it.

 

2 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Please enlighten us as to when America joined WWII?

 

Yes, Roosevelt also cowardly waited until 1944 to open another front against Hitler of actual fighting, not denying it's so. But let's not pretend that England didn't  avoid fighting in the same way.

3 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Please enlighten us as to when America joined WWII?

When Germany declared war on the USA.   On that date, the UK was on the winning side. 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, and was inevitably defeated. The Romans, the Vikings, the French, the Germans, sorry Angles, Jutes, Saxons, England's has bent over more than France has, really.

 

That's right. I said it.

 

 

Yes, Roosevelt also cowardly waited until 1944 to open another front against Hitler of actual fighting, not denying it's so. But let's not pretend that England didn't  avoid fighting in the same way.

Operation Torch.  Nov 1942.  Removed the Germans from Africa. 

Invasion of Italy.   1943

 

Don't forget about the Battle of the Atlantic.   June 1944 would not have happened unless the U-boat threat had been neutralized. 

 

1 minute ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Operation Torch.  Nov 1942.  Removed the Germans from Africa. 

Invasion of Italy.   1943

 

Don't forget about the Battle of the Atlantic.   June 1944 would not have happened unless the U-boat threat had been neutralized. 

 

 

Well, Africa was a side-show, as was the Balkan. Non events really.

 

But yes, invasion of Italy, again when Germany was already weakened from Russia, but i suppose that's a fair claim. I'll allow it.

 

But the British navy was always vastly superior to the German navy. A totally unfair fight in the Atlantic.