16 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

The ACA is the Democrats' signature legislation from the past twenty, and it  failed. This failure is not the fault of former President Trump or the Republicans; rather, the legislation itself was garbage, and the dems misrepresented it from the beginning. The ACA reduce healthcare costs. Have you noticed anything the government subsidies becomes more expensive?

 

Everyone knew the ACA failed five years ago.  

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2020/09/23/the-disappointing-affordable-care-act/

 

Of course the dems do nothing to address the failure other to pass some temporary subsidies. 

 

 

Again, what will Trump do to fix this as he's had 10 years to think about it?

And buddy, spare us more of the inane "But, but, the Dems..whining, okay? The buck stops in the Pimp Palace these days.

Thanks!👍

I can't believe the number of Americans who don't seem to understand tariffs – they seem to think that it is the other countries that pay. They can't grasp the fact that the importers pay the tariff and that is passed on to the consumer. Tariff inflation is quite different from "normal" inflation, which is general price rises and usually accompanied by salary inflation too. Tariff inflation is just putting the price of goods up in isoltion with no accompanying compensation at all.

15 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I can't believe the number of Americans who don't seem to understand tariffs – they seem to think that it is the other countries that pay. They can't grasp the fact that the importers pay the tariff and that is passed on to the consumer. Tariff inflation is quite different from "normal" inflation, which is general price rises and usually accompanied by salary inflation too. Tariff inflation is just putting the price of goods up in isolation with no accompanying compensation at all.

I agree with you that far too many people have bought the president's story that other countries pay the tariffs.  But it's not entirely true that the consumer bears the total cost of tariffs. In practice, manufacturers abroad are under pressure to reduce margins to maintain competitive pricing in the face of tariffs, and the same is true for importers in the US. So in the end the cost of tariffs ends up being shared by manufacturers, importers and consumers. It's why we are not seeing inflation spike as much as some economists predicted.

 

Paul Laew

7 minutes ago, Paulaew said:

I agree with you that far too many people have bought the president's story that other countries pay the tariffs.  But it's not entirely true that the consumer bears the total cost of tariffs. In practice, manufacturers abroad are under pressure to reduce margins to maintain competitive pricing in the face of tariffs, and the same is true for importers in the US. So in the end the cost of tariffs ends up being shared by manufacturers, importers and consumers. It's why we are not seeing inflation spike as much as some economists predicted.

 

Paul Laew

A tariff is a percentage paid to the supplier by the importer -  of course they may alter prices ....Many can't or don't need to adjust their pricing. as the goods can't be bought anywhere else. - but that is all irrelevant – whatever they do, IT IS THE AMERICAN IMPORTER THAT PAYS THE TARIFF.

Inflation rose slightly in August as companies continued to push the cost of tariffs on to consumers. The newest update to the consumer price index (CPI), which measures a basket of goods and services, showed that prices increased 2.9% over the last year – the highest since January.

9 minutes ago, Paulaew said:

It's why we are not seeing inflation spike as much as some economists predicted.

 

Not yet you will mean, and the reason for that is that lots of importers bulk imported prior to the start of the tariffs, and are as well depleting old stocks. But that is not indefinitely, and at one point in the near future everything on the shelves will be new stock imported after the tariffs started.

Be sure that a 25%, or higher TAX on goods can not be absorbed by the exporter/importer, because the profit margins are not that high in those sectors.

By the end of this year inflation will be significantly higher than it is now.

11 minutes ago, kwilco said:

A tariff is a percentage paid to the supplier by the importer ...

Maybe you misspoke, but this is incorrect as stated. A tariff is a tax or duty paid to the federal government when importing goods subject to a tariff. The president says the government has collected trillions of dollars in tariffs, though the actual amount to date in 2025 is about $190 billion.

 

Paul Laew

 

This is scary!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2055762511845998/?s=single_unit&__cft__[0]=AZWMRnVcBt09emVAjDre5fsCBW5PAOdkyckbbgY5krmqBCJPr3xLd775ZuU9nJxqqSMlpatB-0vRi_9YBtbLaPxyIS5VvyH0nDjm-mMozehZBOGe0m6kRTJh3PUrK_3y0RhCFynS1eQhrTgAEsW8nHhr4cNMPX6AqDgL7iRjISoaOlYcaXwUOk6kuZX8qIsj2qo&__tn__=H-R

4 minutes ago, kwilco said:

 

This is scary!

https://www.facebook.com/reel/2055762511845998/?s=single_unit&__cft__[0]=AZWMRnVcBt09emVAjDre5fsCBW5PAOdkyckbbgY5krmqBCJPr3xLd775ZuU9nJxqqSMlpatB-0vRi_9YBtbLaPxyIS5VvyH0nDjm-mMozehZBOGe0m6kRTJh3PUrK_3y0RhCFynS1eQhrTgAEsW8nHhr4cNMPX6AqDgL7iRjISoaOlYcaXwUOk6kuZX8qIsj2qo&__tn__=H-R

And 20 years from now, someone will still be making this claim. 

42 minutes ago, kwilco said:

IT IS THE AMERICAN IMPORTER THAT PAYS THE TARIFF.

 

No, Paulaew is right. You just don't understand how it works. The "American Importer" is often a subsidiary of the Korean, Japanese, German company that exports to the US, so if a subsidiary of Hyundai, Toyota or BMW pays the tariff, while on paper it is an "American Importer" in reality it is owned by the foreign company that is exporting to the US.

 

It's no wonder the left is so against tariffs. They don't understand them.

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, Paulaew is right. You just don't understand how it works. The "American Importer" is often a subsidiary of the Korean, Japanese, German company that exports to the US, so if a subsidiary of Hyundai, Toyota or BMW pays the tariff, while on paper it is an "American Importer" in reality it is owned by the foreign company that is exporting to the US.

 

It's no wonder the left is so against tariffs. They don't understand them.

How thick can you get??? Who do you think buys the BMW??? Do you think no American companies pay tariffs??? You realise that what is happening now is that people just aren't doing business with the US like they used to – they realise they don't need to.

2 minutes ago, kwilco said:

how thick can you get??? who do you think buys thw BMW???

 

You're not very bright, are you? The importer pays the tariff. 

 

You claimed the "American Importer" pays the tariff. However, you obviously overlooked that the "American Importer" tends to be a subsidiary incorporated in the US, but owned by the foreign export company.

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Again, what will Trump do to fix this as he's had 10 years to think about it?

And buddy, spare us more of the inane "But, but, the Dems..whining, okay? The buck stops in the Pimp Palace these days.

Thanks!👍

Do the dems have any agency to fix their failure?  Or does Daddy have to everything for them? 

3 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Odd that out of the top 33 developed nations only the very richest one can't afford free health care for its own citizens.....weird

There is your country has a dying economy.   No one can afford the government. 

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

You're not very bright, are you? The importer pays the tariff. 

 

You claimed the "American Importer" pays the tariff. However, you obviously overlooked that the "American Importer" tends to be a subsidiary incorporated in the US, but owned by the foreign export company.

good grief – you are unbelievable – Of course, when you actually repeat what I say "IT IS THE AMERICAN IMPORTER THAT PAYS THE TARIFF as if it's an argument, it says more about you and Trump than any tariff.

14 minutes ago, kwilco said:

good grief – you are unbelievable – Of course, when you actually repeat what I say "IT IS THE AMERICAN IMPORTER THAT PAYS THE TARIFF as if it's an argument, it says more about you and Trump than any tariff.

You wasted your time explaining to a MAGA 

13 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Odd that out of the top 33 developed nations only the very richest one can't afford free health care for its own citizens.....weird

Certainly that's one of the many signs of a very, very broken society, and leadership that's totally in bed with the medical industry and big pharma. 

11 hours ago, kwilco said:

How thick can you get??? Who do you think buys the BMW??? Do you think no American companies pay tariffs??? You realise that what is happening now is that people just aren't doing business with the US like they used to – they realise they don't need to.

And in the long run this is a very good thing for the world to become less dependent on the US, who are becoming less and less reliable by the day, under the circus clown. 

11 hours ago, Paulaew said:

Maybe you misspoke, but this is incorrect as stated. A tariff is a tax or duty paid to the federal government when importing goods subject to a tariff. The president says the government has collected trillions of dollars in tariffs, though the actual amount to date in 2025 is about $190 billion.

 

Paul Laew

Just another in a series of thousands of lies that this man speaks, one can be assured that every time he opens his mouth, anything that comes out is going to be a lie. Trump has an absolute and pathological version to truth and facts. 

4 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

And in the long run this is a very good thing for the world to become less dependent on the US, who are becoming less and less reliable by the day, under the circus clown. 

Honestly I see the US having almost no chance to recover to the greatness.

Electing four years, I never thought that either.

inflation for America...

1 hour ago, sharot724 said:

inflation for America...

Inflation in America right now today is completely out of control, and for anyone who is in denial, for anyone who is on the political pulpit trying to defend the circus goon, he has done nothing to arrest inflation. Nothing, and don't mention gas prices please, they don't count. 

The transformation is in full swing. The slide from democracy to fascism is happening right before the eyes of the nation and the world.

 

 

 

 

This administration of psychopaths has even managed to lose MTG.....Marjory.....Taylor.....Greene!

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Do the dems have any agency to fix their failure?  Or does Daddy have to everything for them? 

Not sure I follow your diversion? Do you mean does the Dems have their own Gestapo like Trump does? No, they don't.

That would be such a cathartic process!🥰

 

 

 

 

This is gonna hit the core MAGA voters sooo hard.👍

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

This is gonna hit the core MAGA voters sooo hard.👍

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm guessing those are just the initial rises.

 

As insurers and purchasers pull out the costs will rocket even further until it collapses.....BUT.....that is the aim.

 

The fall back for many will be either no coverage, minimal coverage or even more expensive premiums back to pre-ACA prices.

Unlike Biden, Trump's been the opposite of destructive.

 

Just go ask the Israelis. Trump: "The PRESIDENT OF PEACE"

 

 

From Fetterman....

 

 

7 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

 

I'm guessing those are just the initial rises.

 

As insurers and purchasers pull out the costs will rocket even further until it collapses.....BUT.....that is the aim.

 

The fall back for many will be either no coverage, minimal coverage or even more expensive premiums back to pre-ACA prices.

For everyone not on the public teat, premiums were significantly lower, and coverage was significantly better before the ACA. 

 

And everyone that was on the public teat back then, received about the same healthcare then, that they receive now. 

 

The only thing it did was make it more expensive for the people that pay. 

 

I love when people that know nothing about healthcare in the US weigh in on healthcare in the US.