1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

Don't be ridiculous, that's exactly what public health information does. Why do you think the HHS and NHS are doing when they release information - filling up time?

 

The more people who are educated with the CORRECT information, the better the chances are for people to avoid the consequences.

Since the 1980s there has been a million warnings about drownings yet it makes no difference. Intelligent people don't need warnings and stupid parents don't read them.

13 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

It took me all of 30 seconds to find this.

'More than 65% of Texas’ cases are in Gaines County, population 22,892, where the virus started spreading in a close-knit, undervaccinated Mennonite community.'   https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/06/second-child-died-from-measles-related-causes-in-west-texas-where-cases-are-nearing-500.html

 

Mennonites are a diverse Anabaptist Christian community, with roots in the 16th-century Protestant Reformation and named for Menno Simons. I'm guessing they are NOT the illegals you are trying desperately to allude to.

 

My question still stands.  They're all dancing around it, while not specifically answering it.

 

The other unanswered question is how the Mennonite community is just now seeing an outbreak, in spite of being unvaccinated pretty much forever?

Just now, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Fast Facts: Global Measles

"In 2024, 20.6 million children missed the first lifesaving measles vaccine dose."

 

"107,500 lives lost to measles worldwide in 2023, mostly children."

 

"Children less than 5 years old, and those living in low- and middle- income countries, are at the highest risk of severe complications and death."  [those being countries like Thailand...]

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/global-measles-vaccination/data-research/index.html

 

 

If in 2025, it is all Trump and Kennedys fault then I suppose we can blame all the 2023 deaths on Biden? 

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And the 6 month year old who does stay at home but is infected by their older sibling?

 

Haven't really thought this through have you?

 

Same family. Those parents can make their own choices.  
 

I certainly would never tell someone that they cannot get vaccinated and I’ll be damned if anybody is going to tell me I must.

12 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Talking about them on here makes no impact. 

Again, this is a discussion forum, where people go when they aren't doing anything else, and again, if you don't want to add to or discuss the topic, you can find others. Do you think talking about Trump here, or anything else involving any other country, makes an impact? No, but it's things to talk about, as many people come from many countries, and they feel at home talking about things going on back home.

2 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

 

The other unanswered question is how the Mennonite community is just now seeing an outbreak, in spite of being unvaccinated pretty much forever?

Really? Does everything have to be spelled out to you?

 

Unless the Mennonites live in complete isolation (which they don’t) they will invariably come into contact with children with measles. And because of vaccine misinformation, Texas is having an epidemic so I’m guessing there might be quite a few cases knocking around. They then “transport” that back to their community and because they are not vaccinated, their whole community catches this highly infectious disease, resulting in the deaths of children whose immune systems are not mature enough to fight it off. 
 

Got it?

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, this is a discussion forum, where people go when they aren't doing anything else, and again, if you don't want to add to or discuss the topic, you can find others. Do you think talking about Trump here, or anything else involving any other country, makes an impact? No, but it's things to talk about, as many people come from many countries, and they feel at home talking about things going on back home.

Why not discuss major issues? We had the same measles topics done a lot.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Why not discuss major issues? We had the same measles topics done a lot.

I just advised you that you can find other topics. 

9 minutes ago, Airalee said:

If in 2025, it is all Trump and Kennedys fault then I suppose we can blame all the 2023 deaths on Biden? 

You are correct. But since there wasn’t any, you can also thank Biden. 
 

From AI -“. Before the deaths reported in 2025 during the current U.S. outbreaks, the most recent U.S. death occurred in 2015.”

8 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Same family. Those parents can make their own choices.  
 

I certainly would never tell someone that they cannot get vaccinated and I’ll be damned if anybody is going to tell me I must.

So in your world, no child under the age of 6 months is allowed to step outside the door and can have no contact with anyone else other than their immediate family?

 

Do you even hear yourself when you type such nonsense?

16 minutes ago, Airalee said:

If in 2025, it is all Trump and Kennedys fault then I suppose we can blame all the 2023 deaths on Biden? 

 

I'll bet they're even blaming the outbreaks in Canada on the Bad Orange Man and the guy with a worm...

 

3 times the cases in 1/8 the population.

• In week 39 (September 21 to 27, 2025), 18 new measles cases (14 confirmed, 4 probable) were reported.
• In 2025^Footnote1, 5,024 measles cases (4,660 confirmed, 364 probable) and 0 rubella cases have been reported in Canada.

 

Source:  https://health-infobase.canada.ca/

 

Don't even get me started on Europe that's also doing much worse than the USA.  Unless you want to get caught up in a pissing contest about what constitutes "Europe".

 

You know what all 3 have in common?  An increase in unvetted immigration.

 

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Why the obsession?

Why the wilful stupidity?

There have been huge increases in measles cases this year in Canada and Mexico, even more than the U.S....  And as stated above, the U.S. cases have been predominantly linked to unvaccinated U.S. residents traveling abroad and then returning home with the disease.

 

 

Ten countries in the Americas report measles outbreaks in 2025

15 Aug 2025

 

"Washington, D.C., 15 August 2025 (PAHO) – The Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) is urging countries in the Americas to strengthen immunization activities, enhance disease surveillance and rapid response interventions, as measles cases continue to rise in the region. As of 8 August 2025, a total of 10,139 confirmed measles cases and 18 related deaths have been reported across ten countries, representing a 34-fold increase compared to the same period in 2024. [emphasis added]

 

The outbreaks are linked primarily to low vaccination coverage, with 71% of cases occurring in unvaccinated individuals and a further 18% in people whose vaccination status is unknown. In 2024, coverage with the first dose of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine in the region reached 89% (two percentage points higher than in 2023), while the second dose increased from 76% to 79%.

 

Countries with the highest case numbers include Canada (4,548 cases), Mexico (3,911 cases), and the United States (1,356 cases). Other countries reporting confirmed cases are Bolivia (229), Argentina (35), Belize (34), Brazil (17), Paraguay (4), Peru (4), and Costa Rica (1). Paraguay is the latest country to report an outbreak this year. Deaths have been reported in Mexico (14), the United States (3), and Canada (1). In Mexico most deaths have occurred in indigenous people between 1 and 54 years of age. Canada reported a fatal congenital measles infection in a newborn."

 

https://www.paho.org/en/news/15-8-2025-ten-countries-americas-report-measles-outbreaks-2025

 

In short,  as my global measles statistics post above clearly showed, it's a GLOBAL and GROWING problem of under-vaccination and ensuing outbreaks of diseases.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Really? Does everything have to be spelled out to you?

 

Unless the Mennonites live in complete isolation (which they don’t) they will invariably come into contact with children with measles. And because of vaccine misinformation, Texas is having an epidemic so I’m guessing there might be quite a few cases knocking around. They then “transport” that back to their community and because they are not vaccinated, their whole community catches this highly infectious disease, resulting in the deaths of children whose immune systems are not mature enough to fight it off. 
 

Got it?

  

All I get is that the MSM is deliberately dancing around that question and you're regurgitating exactly what they want us to believe. 

 

Instead of simply answering the question.  Which would not be a privacy or ethics violation.

 

What was the immigration status of the 3 fatalities and why are they concentrated so close to the southern border?  And while you're at it, why is the USA doing so much better than Canada?

 

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

It appeared she was barely vaccinated as a child, if at all.

Poor parenting 

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

  

All I get is that the MSM is deliberately dancing around that question and you're regurgitating exactly what they want us to believe. 

 

Instead of simply answering the question.  Which would not be a privacy or ethics violation.

 

What was the immigration status of the 3 fatalities and why are they concentrated so close to the southern border?  And while you're at it, why is the USA doing so much better than Canada?

 

 

 

Where is measles coming from?

Data shows that it’s not illegal immigration

 

• The Americas are pretty well vaccinated. Some countries, like Mexico, have higher vaccination rates than the U.S."

 

Most cases are U.S. residents traveling abroad

 

Health departments investigate every measles outbreak to prevent it from spreading. They ask people all sorts of questions to understand where the virus has spread and who needs to quarantine. This is called contact tracing. If we aggregate contact tracing data, as scientific teams have done in previous years, this is what the data tells us:

 

In 2019, our last bad measles year, 77%* of index cases (i.e., patient zero for an outbreak) were U.S. residents who had recently traveled and returned home infected. The top source countries were the Philippines, Ukraine, Israel, Thailand, and Vietnam. [emphasis added]

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20250405074154/https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/

 

 

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

There have been huge increases in measles cases this year in Canada and Mexico, even more than the U.S....  And as stated above, the U.S. cases have been predominantly linked to unvaccinated U.S. residents traveling abroad and then returning home with the disease.

 

 

Ten countries in the Americas report measles outbreaks in 2025

15 Aug 2025

 

"Washington, D.C., 15 August 2025 (PAHO) – The Pan American Health Organization (PAHO) is urging countries in the Americas to strengthen immunization activities, enhance disease surveillance and rapid response interventions, as measles cases continue to rise in the region. As of 8 August 2025, a total of 10,139 confirmed measles cases and 18 related deaths have been reported across ten countries, representing a 34-fold increase compared to the same period in 2024. [emphasis added]

 

The outbreaks are linked primarily to low vaccination coverage, with 71% of cases occurring in unvaccinated individuals and a further 18% in people whose vaccination status is unknown. In 2024, coverage with the first dose of the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine in the region reached 89% (two percentage points higher than in 2023), while the second dose increased from 76% to 79%.

 

Countries with the highest case numbers include Canada (4,548 cases), Mexico (3,911 cases), and the United States (1,356 cases). Other countries reporting confirmed cases are Bolivia (229), Argentina (35), Belize (34), Brazil (17), Paraguay (4), Peru (4), and Costa Rica (1). Paraguay is the latest country to report an outbreak this year. Deaths have been reported in Mexico (14), the United States (3), and Canada (1). In Mexico most deaths have occurred in indigenous people between 1 and 54 years of age. Canada reported a fatal congenital measles infection in a newborn."

 

https://www.paho.org/en/news/15-8-2025-ten-countries-americas-report-measles-outbreaks-2025

 

In short,  as my global measles statistics post above clearly showed, it's a GLOBAL and GROWING problem of under-vaccination and ensuing outbreaks of diseases.

 

 

 

18 deaths isn't much

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Their parents never got them vaccinated. As young adults, they faced a choice

Some who received little to no vaccination in childhood sought out the shots themselves in adulthood — and risked family relationships

 

"At 30 years old, Lacie Madison just assumed she was fully vaccinated her entire life. But when she got a job at a hospital and was required to check her immunity, the doctor called with shocking news: It appeared she was barely vaccinated as a child, if at all. “I just said, ‘Are you kidding me?’” recalled Madison, now 39.

 

Madison, who was mostly home-schooled as a child in Montana, is part of a small but growing population of U.S. adults who did not receive routine childhood vaccines — a result of parents skipping or delaying shots for their kids over religious or personal reasons, including concerns about safety.

 

As some states work to make it easier for parents to claim exemptions for many childhood vaccines — or seek to eliminate school mandates entirely — Madison’s experience is one that could become more common as today’s schoolchildren age into adulthood. Falling vaccination rates around the country mean more will grow up without protection from debilitating diseases until they are old enough to decide for themselves, typically at age 18. Delaying vaccines can have perilous long-term consequences, and some immunizations are less effective as people age. [emphasis added]

...

The U.S. is experiencing the highest number of measles cases in 33 years as well as an elevated number of cases of pertussis — commonly known as whooping cough. Experts largely attribute falling vaccination rates to misinformation, which accelerated during the pandemic, about the safety and effectiveness of certain vaccines."

 

(more)

 

Washington Post

https://archive.ph/PD9DL

They certainly do not want to work in a hospital without vaccinations. The hospital should also not give her the job without it either, She should ask the hospital for a discount, or maybe call it a signing bonus. No reason to get the parents involved, regardless.

I can believe that. After all most young adults have panic attacks when they cant get Tik-Tok first time.

2 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

If you live to 18 likely your body is strong and no drugs all the better.

IF! 

Great arguement by an antivaxer!

 

First vaccine invented about 1880 - USA life expectancy was then  about 40 years.

Now double that, but still rated a lowly #55.  People in most other developed states live longer,.

Wonder why that is, for the greatest country on earth! 

33 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

IF! 

Great arguement by an antivaxer!

 

First vaccine invented about 1880 - USA life expectancy was then  about 40 years.

Now double that, but still rated a lowly #55.  People in most other developed states live longer,.

Wonder why that is, for the greatest country on earth! 

Most living standards improved pre 1960 due to diet, hygiene and access to clean water. Nothing to do with vaccines and I'm not anti vaccine.

 

Sadly most people can't even research facts.

 

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

To keep kids, young people and adults from becoming needlessly ill from a highly infectious disease that can easily be prevented, and prevented from spreading, by a simple childhood vaccination.

 

"The measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine is very safe and effective. When more than 95% of people in a community are vaccinated (coverage >95%), most people are protected through community immunity (herd immunity). However, vaccination coverage among U.S. kindergartners has decreased from 95.2% during the 2019–2020 school year to 92.7% in the 2023–2024 school year, leaving approximately 280,000 kindergartners at risk during the 2023–2024 school year. [emphasis added]

 

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/data-research/index.html

 

Meanwhile,

You're giving them autism, aids, diabetes with multiple vaccinations.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Meanwhile,

You're giving them autism, aids, diabetes with multiple vaccinations.

 

All nonsense debunked claims that have no basis in fact or credible science....

 

And the only reason you can post such rubbish here is this subforum allows content that lacks credible sources and no sources whatsoever.

 

 

 

2022, 6 billion people had access to such services, while 2.2 billion still lacked safely managed access, with many relying on unprotected wells, limited services, or untreated surface water.

 

Guess who catches diseases and dies at the highest rates? The 3rd world people!

 

 

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

All nonsense debunked claims that have no basis in fact or credible science....

 

And the only reason you can post such rubbish here is this subforum allows content that lacks credible sources and no sources whatsoever.

 

 

 

Yes, governments will debunk anyone going against their narrative.

Yet here I am age 70 surviving with few vaccinations.

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Meanwhile,

You're giving them autism, aids, diabetes with multiple vaccinations.

 

--AI Assisted

 

 

Access to clean drinking water is a critical factor in saving lives, preventing disease, and improving overall health, particularly in vulnerable populations. Recent data indicates that unsafe water, sanitation, and hygiene (WASH) are responsible for at least 1.4 million preventable deaths annually, with diarrhoeal diseases alone causing over one million deaths each year

 

Clean drinking water significantly reduces mortality from infectious diseases; in the United States, clean water was responsible for about 43% of the total mortality decline in major cities between 1900 and 1936, with infant mortality dropping by 62%.

Globally, over 2 billion people lack access to safe drinking water, leading to preventable deaths from diseases like typhoid, cholera, hepatitis A, and diarrhoea, which is the second-leading cause of death in children under five.

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

--AI Assisted

As if AI would be allowed to dissent from government policy!

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

As if AI would be allowed to dissent from government policy!

 

A bogus, false claim re vaccines and autism that got started with...

 

"Andrew Jeremy Wakefield ... is an English fraudster, anti-vaccine activist, and former senior surgeon. He was struck off the medical register for "serious professional misconduct"^[8] due to his involvement in the fraudulent 1998 Lancet MMR autism study that falsely claimed a link between the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism.

The publicity surrounding the study caused a sharp decline in vaccination uptake,leading to a number of outbreaks of measles around the world and many deaths as a result."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

The oldest verified person born before 1960 is Jeanne Calment of France, who was born on 21 February 1875 and died on 4 August 1997, reaching the age of 122 years and 164 days. She is the only person in recorded history to have lived beyond 120 years. Prior to her, the oldest verified person was Sarah Knauss of the United States, born on 24 September 1880 and who died on 30 December 1999, living to be 119 years and 97 days old. These individuals are recognized as the two oldest verified people in history, both surpassing the age of 115 years.

 

Oldest people were born before modern medicine lol