4 hours ago, angryguy said:

 

Why does Trump always makes treats of tariffs 1 month ahead. I guess it is because he loves TACO's.

 

When China says something, they implement it right away, no interest in taco.

 

They also started an antitrust probe in Qualcomm, and strengthened import controls on Nvidia chip imports.

In addition China now completely stopped the import of US soybeans.

Winning, but it isn't Trump

 

 

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And by the say, the ignoramus-in-chief claimed that China will "impose large scale Export Controls on virtually every product they make."

 

China’s new restrictions

On Thursday, the Chinese government restricted access to rare earth minerals, requiring foreign companies to get special approval for shipping the metallic elements abroad. It also announced permitting requirements on exports of technologies used in the mining, smelting and recycling of rare earths, adding that any export requests for products used in military goods would be rejected.

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-xi-china-cc47e258cfc6336dfddcc20fa67a3642

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If you're saying that Trump has staged a hold-up against most nations in the west, I'm sure that they would agree with you. But as for sustaining the west, how exactly?

The rest of western leaders seem to be in a race to third worldify their countries. Trumps presence is slowing that down

Just now, NoDisplayName said:

 

China’s new restrictions

On Thursday, the Chinese government restricted access to rare earth minerals, requiring foreign companies to get special approval for shipping the metallic elements abroad. It also announced permitting requirements on exports of technologies used in the mining, smelting and recycling of rare earths, adding that any export requests for products used in military goods would be rejected.

 

https://apnews.com/article/trump-xi-china-cc47e258cfc6336dfddcc20fa67a3642

I'm not sure why you posted this. Trump claimed China was imposing export controls on virtually every product they make. Are you claiming that all China produces are rare earth minerals and products that include them?

1 minute ago, angryguy said:

The rest of western leaders seem to be in a race to third worldify their countries. Trumps presence is slowing that down

How exactly? By damaging their industrial base?

1 hour ago, Tug said:

The truth is alot of us see it as another sales tax created by trump for no gain.

 

On this, Trump is giving the USA a dose of  the reality it has long needed. The Chinese  gave western consumers what they wanted; cheap consumer items. It put western consumer product factories out of business.  The Chinese sourced goods don't last long, and contribute to the garbage problem in many regions. Worse is that the products often contain toxic chemicals and heavy metals, poisoning the western consumers. And even worse is that the pallets bringing in the products are often contaminated with pests which cause significant damage to western economies. Zebra mussels which have destroyed the Great Lakes eco system and jammed water intake pipes causing billions of $$ of damage came courtesy of Chinese bilge water dumped into the St Lawrence and Great Lakes.  The pine beetle which has destroyed hundreds of millions of hectares of forests and resulted in some of the worst forest fires in the world came courtesy of insect pests in Chinese furniture and wooden pallets. And so on. The Chinese have  dumped their cheap solar panels in the EU market and in so doing damaged local manufacturers. The local manufacturers such as those in Germany were environmentally responsible and had a higher product quality. The cheap clothes from China are made with cotton grown using environmentally harmful practices and use slave labour. Whether intended or not, Trump is doing the environmentally responsible thing when he discourages the consumption of Chinese products.

And now.............

 

China hits US ships with retaliatory port fees before trade talks

 

China has hit U.S.-owned vessels docking in the country with tit-for-tat port fees, in response to the American government’s planned port fees on Chinese ships, expanding a string of retaliatory measures before trade talks between U.S. President Donald Trump and Chinese leader Xi Jinping.

....

They would take effect on Oct. 14, the same day when the United States is due to start imposing port fees on Chinese vessels.

 

https://apnews.com/article/china-us-port-fees-a67996522d4705e663e37515fa45baf5

 

 

Hey!

 

That's not fair!

 

We're supposed to be winning!

 

The bigliest winning!

6 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

On this, Trump is giving the USA a dose of  the reality it has long needed. The Chinese  gave western consumers what they wanted; cheap consumer items. It put western consumer product factories out of business.  The Chinese sourced goods don't last long, and contribute to the garbage problem in many regions. Worse is that the products often contain toxic chemicals and heavy metals, poisoning the western consumers. And even worse is that the pallets bringing in the products are often contaminated with pests which cause significant damage to western economies. Zebra mussels which have destroyed the Great Lakes eco system and jammed water intake pipes causing billions of $$ of damage came courtesy of Chinese bilge water dumped into the St Lawrence and Great Lakes.  The pine beetle which has destroyed hundreds of millions of hectares of forests and resulted in some of the worst forest fires in the world came courtesy of insect pests in Chinese furniture and wooden pallets. And so on. The Chinese have  dumped their cheap solar panels in the EU market and in so doing damaged local manufacturers. The local manufacturers such as those in Germany were environmentally responsible and had a higher product quality. The cheap clothes from China are made with cotton grown using environmentally harmful practices and use slave labour. Whether intended or not, Trump is doing the environmentally responsible thing when he discourages the consumption of Chinese products.

Thank you for sharing with us the alternative reality you inhabit:

 

"Zebra mussels probably arrived in the Great Lakes in the 1980s via ballast water that was discharged by large ships from Europe. They have spread rapidly throughout the Great Lakes region and into the large rivers of the eastern Mississippi drainage. They have also been found in Texas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California."

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-are-zebra-mussels-and-why-should-we-care-about-them

 

The Southern Pine Beetle: The Tree Killer

The southern pine beetle was first recorded in the southeastern United States in the late 1700s. Though they are originally native to the southeast, warming winter temperatures have allowed the beetle's range to expand up the east coast in recent decades. 

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/the-southern-pine-beetle-the-tree-killer.htm

 

As a rule, Chinese solar panels are as good as any others on the market. China produces around 80% of all solar panels, so like any product, there are cheaper offerings from less well-known companies.

https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/sourcing-solar-are-chinese-solar-panels-any-good

1. China is on the brink of collapse.

2. China cannot defeat the USA in war.

3. Life can go on without cheap chinese garbage

 

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Thank you for sharing with us the alternative reality you inhabit:

 

"Zebra mussels probably arrived in the Great Lakes in the 1980s via ballast water that was discharged by large ships from Europe. They have spread rapidly throughout the Great Lakes region and into the large rivers of the eastern Mississippi drainage. They have also been found in Texas, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, and California."

https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-are-zebra-mussels-and-why-should-we-care-about-them

 

The Southern Pine Beetle: The Tree Killer

The southern pine beetle was first recorded in the southeastern United States in the late 1700s. Though they are originally native to the southeast, warming winter temperatures have allowed the beetle's range to expand up the east coast in recent decades. 

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/the-southern-pine-beetle-the-tree-killer.htm

 

As a rule, Chinese solar panels are as good as any others on the market. China produces around 80% of all solar panels, so like any product, there are cheaper offerings from less well-known companies.

https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/sourcing-solar-are-chinese-solar-panels-any-good

Its an alternate reality that china makes inferior products? Maybe youve been living in thailand so long you wouldnt know what makes for quality anymore

Just now, angryguy said:

Its an alternate reality that china makes inferior products? Maybe youve been living in thailand so long you wouldnt know what makes for quality anymore

China makes a huge range of products including some of the most advanced technology in the world. You're like those people in the 1950's and 60's who mocked Japanese products. What you are clueless about is the fact that poor nations start out by making cheap stuff and if they are economically reasonably well managed they keep on moving up the value chain.

27 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Trump is holding the west up, barely. A heavy burden

 

When the history books get written, Trump's tenure could get written up as the period that stopped the demise of western civilization due to mass immigration and rampant lawlessness for the sake of weak-on-criminals policies.

 

Or, it may continue swirling down the bowl due to those lefty policies.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

China makes a huge range of products including some of the most advanced technology in the world. You're like those people in the 1950's and 60's who mocked Japanese products. What you are clueless about is the fact that poor nations start out by making cheap stuff and if they are economically reasonably well managed they keep on moving up the value chain.

At the expense of the environment, as the poster you quoted said

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

When the history books get written, Trump's tenure could get written up as the period that stopped the demise of western civilization due to mass immigration and rampant lawlessness for the sake of weak-on-criminals policies.

 

Or, it may continue swirling down the bowl due to those lefty policies.

 

 

Or it could be that when those books get written, his tenure maybe written up as the one that sunk the west into poverty and tyranny. Anybody can posit alternative realities. 

1 minute ago, angryguy said:

At the expense of the environment, as the poster you quoted said

Well, they still do burn an awful lot of coal, Good thing Trump wants to put a stop to that.

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

Well, they still do burn an awful lot of coal, Good thing Trump wants to put a stop to that.

And of course, not just Trump, but what looks like the overwhelming majority of his supporters.

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

When the history books get written, Trump's tenure could get written up as the period that stopped the demise of western civilization due to mass immigration and rampant lawlessness for the sake of weak-on-criminals policies.

 

Or, it may continue swirling down the bowl due to those lefty policies.

 

 

I dont believe that anyone after trump has the qualifications to be able to handle the weight of the west currently. The US seems to be all thats left from everywhere going UK style

8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

China makes a huge range of products including some of the most advanced technology in the world. You're like those people in the 1950's and 60's who mocked Japanese products. What you are clueless about is the fact that poor nations start out by making cheap stuff and if they are economically reasonably well managed they keep on moving up the value chain.

Supporting Chinese industry is bad for the environment. Cheap has a reason.

4 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Really ? lol

Yes really. Trump is crapping himself because you yanks need China's rare earth metals way more than they need your trade.

5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Well, they still do burn an awful lot of coal, Good thing Trump wants to put a stop to that.

Which part of the world is the problem

1 minute ago, angryguy said:

I dont believe that anyone after trump has the qualifications to be able to handle the weight of the west currently. The US seems to be all thats left from everywhere going UK style

You're out on your own now for sure, but not in the way you think.

Just now, OutofLondon said:

You're out on your own now for sure, but not in the way you think.

The UK is so sad im not even gonna rub it in

4 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Which part of the world is the problem

Right now, thanks to the efforts of environmentalists, the west has rapidly reduced it's dependence on coal-fired power plants. Who is it who wants to bring them back? Who wants to actually build new ones in the United States?

As for China, most new solar and wind power that is being installed in the world today is being done in China. Their use of coal to generate electricity is already declining.

8 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Which part of the world is the problem

That's because you outsourced your industry to China, India and anywhere with cheap labour. The USA doesn't make anything anymore. But for most of the 20th century an air quality map would have the then industrialised West blanketed in dirty air.

Posts with derogatory nicknames, intentional misspellings, or personal remarks will be removed. Spell names correctly for all sides of the debate.

Just now, Stocky said:

 The USA doesn't make anything anymore. 

You sure about that?

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/ranked-global-share-of-manufacturing-value-by-country/

1 hour ago, angryguy said:

No i made a thread about it, i dont make threads just for no reason. This forum is notably anti west, some knowingly some not even aware like you

I'm confused.  Most of the posters on this forum are from the west, and most people don't shoot themselves in the foot.  Can you help me out here...?

15 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Which part of the world is the problem

Why China Built 162 Square Miles of Solar Panels on the World’s Highest Plateau

https://archive.ph/vuOYu

11 minutes ago, IsaanT said:

I'm confused.  Most of the posters on this forum are from the west, and most people don't shoot themselves in the foot.  Can you help me out here...?

Yes i can help. The term for it is white guilt

5 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Yes i can help. The term is white guilt

Right. White guilt explains why Europeans are unhappy with Trump's economic policies? How does that work?