10 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

I think it will be going on for many years yet. 
Latest news is Israel is claiming that Hamas has broken the peace agreement and they will resume.

Israel are saying Hamas haven’t returned some of the dead hostages.

Hamas have pointed out that there are some hostages under the rubble caused by the daily bombings by Israel.

And that Israel won’t give them the machinery to dig them out.

So looks like it will resume. 
They killed a family of 11 yesterday for crossing an invisible line.

They crossed the yellow line, was that after they had fired a RPG at the Israelis? 

13 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Why would anyone in their right mind want to relocate to one of the most war torn countries in the world?

 

That place is hell on earth. I feel sorry for anyone trapped there. 

 

 

It's also a concrete jungle ......!

@NorthernRyland “The person who coined the phrase "melting pot" was in fact a slavic jew who out of self interest  wanted to be included.”

 

You are mistaken.  The person who coined the phrase "melting pot" was a British Jew named Israel Zangwill, born in London in 1864. His father was from Latvia and his mother from Poland.  He became a noted author and playwright. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Zangwill

 

His play, The Melting Pot, had as its lead character a young Russian Jew who extolled the U.S. as a society where different ethnic and religious groups lived harmoniously. He tells his love interest and future wife, a Christian girl:  "Ah, Vera, what is the glory of Rome and Jerusalem where all nations and races come to worship and look back, compared with the glory of America, where all races and nations come to labour and look forward!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Melting_Pot_(play)

 

It's  interesting you included the quote from Pres. Theodore Roosevelt.  He attended the opening of The Melting Pot in 1908 in Washington D.C., and is reported to have leaned out of his theater box and yelled, ""That's a great play, Mr. Zangwill. That's a great play."  He also wrote a letter to Zangwill praising the play.

 

Another interesting point is that Zangwill rejected Palestine as the site of a future Jewish homeland and founded an organization as an alternative to Zionism.  Zangwill thought the Ottoman Empire would never allow a Jewish state in Palestine because so many Arab Muslims already lived there.  Zangwill favored a Jewish state somewhere in the world that wasn't already heavily inhabited.

14 hours ago, simon43 said:

Interesting.  Although I consider myself to be 'English', my middle brother has done extensive family ancestor research.  My grandmother (who I vaguely remember when I was about 12 years old) was 100% an Ashkenazi Jew.

 

Under Israel's Right of Return law, it seems that I would have the legal right to an Israeli passport and to settle in Israel 🙂

 

 

All my kids, their spouses and the grandchildren have applied for and received Italian passports.

 

Their maternal grandmother never renounced her Italian citizenship when she moved to the UK after WWII.

 

I like to think of it as one in the eye for Farage.

 

 

14 hours ago, simon43 said:

Interesting.  Although I consider myself to be 'English', my middle brother has done extensive family ancestor research.  My grandmother (who I vaguely remember when I was about 12 years old) was 100% an Ashkenazi Jew.

 

Under Israel's Right of Return law, it seems that I would have the legal right to an Israeli passport and to settle in Israel 🙂

 

Your biggest potential hassle would be proving your grandmother was Jewish.  If you have copies of records she belonged to a synagogue or other documentary evidence she was born a Jew or converted to Judaism, then you would indeed be eligible for Israeli citizenship, assuming you don't have any serious crimes on your record or could be considered a threat to Israel's security.

5 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

 
You apologists can not even get your stories straight.

 

 

I am talking only about the specific part of Israel immigration law that is specifically about the law of return for Jewish people.

That is an important founding principle of the political Zionist movement -- the goal of finally one nation state in the entire world with a Jewish majority.

Israel isn't Israel without a Jewish majority just as if the Kurds (another ethnogenies group as are Jews) get a state it will by definition be majority Kurds.

Israel doesn't pretend to be a USA (before Trump anyway) or Canada just as most other countries in the world don't (such as Thailand). 

I understand that you're obsessed with throwing shade at everything Jewish and everything Israeli.

It's obvious that you don't respect Israel's right to exist or defend itself, and that you wish it never existed.

Bigots and haters have always been with us. 

They are much more vocal now (unfortunately).

I don't personally have knowledge about all the other options for immigration to Israel beyond the law of return but quite obviously there is more to it than that.

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I understand that you're obsessed with throwing shade at everything Jewish and everything Israeli.

Throwing light on it.

And with the genocide perhaps over Thailand had better be prepared for the influx.

They are banned from Bali, Maldives, Penang etc

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Bigots and haters have always been with us. 

Especially in the occupied Westbank 

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Your biggest potential hassle would be proving your grandmother was Jewish.  If you have copies of records she belonged to a synagogue or other documentary evidence she was born a Jew or converted to Judaism, then you would indeed be eligible for Israeli citizenship, assuming you don't have any serious crimes on your record or could be considered a threat to Israel's security.

Yes solid proof would be needed.

Do you agree with me that such a case if the person is actively practicing a religion other than Jewish would be disqualifying under the law of return?

That is my understanding anyway.

I personally know a case where a Jewish woman married a Christian, converted to Christianity, and raised her children Christian, was later interested in making Aliyah and she learned that would be a problem. 

 

4 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Throwing light on it.

And with the genocide perhaps over Thailand had better be prepared for the influx.

They are banned from Bali, Maldives, Penang etc

Throwing light on your obsessive hatred more like.

No country has banned Israeli tourists over bad tourist behavior.

The bans that do exist are all political. 

Just now, Jingthing said:

No country has banned Israeli tourists over bad tourist behavior.

The bans that do exist are all political. 

Their political bad behavior.

 

The Thai restaurants, resorts and hair shops are not banning them for political reasons.

They have banned them for their bad behavior.

5 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Especially in the occupied Westbank 

But you don't want Israel as a Jewish majority sovereign nation state to exist in any borders, correct? 

18 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

Their political bad behavior.

 

The Thai restaurants, resorts and hair shops are not banning them for political reasons.

They have banned them for their bad behavior.

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Restaurant policies are one thing.

National policies are completely different.

Again it is a FACT that no nation in the world has put on a ban on all Israelis entering because of bad behavior of Israeli tourists.

You persistently try to spread the big lie about that.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

How is he lying? Thai restaurants have banned Israelis for their bad behaviou. We all know it's so.

His lies are about his persistent efforts to spread the lie that national bans on Israelis has anything at all to do with tourist behavior. 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

His lies are about his persistent efforts to spread the lie that national bans on Israelis has anything at all to do with tourist behavior. 

 

Well, how would we know the real motivation? It's not like any country that's banned Israelis will say the real reason they banned them, necessarily.

 

It's theoretically possible. Though I take your point, political motivation is equally possible.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Well, how would we know the real motivation? It's not like any country that's banned Israelis will say the real reason they banned them, necessarily.

 

It's theoretically possible. Though I take your point, political motivation is equally possible.

Political motivation 100 percent the FACT.

17 hours ago, simon43 said:

Interesting.  Although I consider myself to be 'English', my middle brother has done extensive family ancestor research.  My grandmother (who I vaguely remember when I was about 12 years old) was 100% an Ashkenazi Jew.

 

Under Israel's Right of Return law, it seems that I would have the legal right to an Israeli passport and to settle in Israel 🙂

how much allowance can you get ?

8 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

how much allowance can you get ?

Israel 2025 government grants and benefits for new Olim

www.welcome-israel.com/blog/government-grants-and-benefits-for-new-olim-in-2025

22 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

OK so ethno-religious states are pretty great. Thailand is another example of this and it's very cohesive and peaceful society/

 

What about returning the US to a white Christian state as it once was? The US is currently plagued with racial tensions and this would go away if we returned it to the pre-1965 demographics. I would consider this making America great again.

The USA was not a white Christian state. The Pilgrims who arrived were cultists who followed a strict misinterpretation of Christianity. and were economic migrants who sought to impose their doctrine on others. These europeans imposed their religion on the native peoples and others who were in the Americas.

 

The USA was never a cohesive or peaceful society. On the contrary, its history is marked by war, disease, and injustice. The USA was created through multiple wars and land thefts. It was a nation built upon slavery. Now the USA is reaping the "rewards" of  what it has sown for the past 250+ years.

6 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

The USA was not a white Christian state. The Pilgrims who arrived were cultists who followed a strict misinterpretation of Christianity. and were economic migrants who sought to impose their doctrine on others. These europeans imposed their religion on the native peoples and others who were in the Americas.

 

 

These are just words games. The Indian tribes weren't American they predated America as you know.

 

Christianity was always the dominate religion until recently and the country was 90% white until 1965 when that started to change. We're taking 90% Christian and 90% white even in the 1970s! Today the black minority are MORE Christian than the white people. You're totally backwards on this.

 

Everyone here on the forum born in America was born in a white America. This is common knowledge that even you know and you're willfully ignoring it.

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes solid proof would be needed.

Do you agree with me that such a case if the person is actively practicing a religion other than Jewish would be disqualifying under the law of return?

That is my understanding anyway.

I personally know a case where a Jewish woman married a Christian, converted to Christianity, and raised her children Christian, was later interested in making Aliyah and she learned that would be a problem. 

 

 

I believe it is like this:  if a person with a Jewish grandparent or parent ever practiced Judaism but converted to another religion, they cannot use the Law of Return to gain Israeli citizenship.  However, if they never practiced Judaism but followed another religion, they would be eligible.  Thousands  upon thousands of Russians have never practiced Judaism, but have been allowed to make Aliyah on the basis of a Jewish parent or grandparent.  

 

I also know the non-Jewish spouses of Israeli citizens are eligible for citizenship under the Law of Return.  They are not required to convert to Judaism and can actively practice another religion. .

20 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

You are mistaken.  The person who coined the phrase "melting pot" was a British Jew named Israel Zangwill, born in London in 1864. His father was from Latvia and his mother from Poland.  He became a noted author and playwright. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Zangwill

 

 

yeah Poland, so half Slavic. Not Anglo though and certainly not "white". The point is he was a foreigner who made up a little story about why the country should include him as he clearly didn't fit in.

 

On 10/19/2025 at 9:36 PM, Bobthegimp said:

gentile filth

What a bigot. everyone who isnt jewish is GENTILE FILTH.

 

On 10/19/2025 at 10:28 PM, swissie said:

With not much in common than 3 thousand year old biblical scriptures.

Want diversity? 180 different "nations"? Clearly, the US is the place. Although their "book" is not much older than 200 years.

You deny the diverse population of Israel.?

On 10/20/2025 at 2:02 AM, simon43 said:

Dear Swissie

 

I can assure you that I'm very happy relaxing in Luang Prabang, or dodging the bullets and bombs in Myanmar 🙂

 

My brother is a geneology specialist in his retirement, and apart from getting paid to trace the ancestry of others, he has been working through our own family tree.  It's very interesting to find out facts about ancestors long-departed.  I remember (just about), my maternal grandmother who lived out her old age in Greece.  She was descended from Ashkenazi Jews from Romania, and my comment about Israel's Right of Return for her offspring was simply a point of interest (for me), and a 'baiting' comment for this forum!

 

A more recent memory is that my father attended the Nurenburg trials, as chief coder for Churchill, sending back coded messages of the daily events...

So glad to hear that this was mainly a hypothetical question Simon. You could not possibly erect your HAM antennas in Israel. The Israelis as well as the palestinians would classify you immediately as a"Spy". Luang Prabang is nice this time of year I was told and much more peaceful than Israel. Enjoy.

On 10/20/2025 at 10:53 PM, Evil Penevil said:

 

I believe it is like this:  if a person with a Jewish grandparent or parent ever practiced Judaism but converted to another religion, they cannot use the Law of Return to gain Israeli citizenship.  However, if they never practiced Judaism but followed another religion, they would be eligible.  Thousands  upon thousands of Russians have never practiced Judaism, but have been allowed to make Aliyah on the basis of a Jewish parent or grandparent.  

 

I also know the non-Jewish spouses of Israeli citizens are eligible for citizenship under the Law of Return.  They are not required to convert to Judaism and can actively practice another religion. .

Yeah that gels with my understanding including the spouses part.

Probably surprising to many that applies to non-Jewish same sex married spouses as well. 

Israel doesn't do same sex marriages but recognizes them that were done elsewhere. Try that in one of the many Islamic nations, ha ha.

The case that I mentioned that was seen as problematical fits your description as well. 

Was actively Jewish, Hillel house active in college, volunteered at an Israeli kibbutz, then grew up to raise Christian children. I think she might have a case of going back to Judaism later but turns out she decided not to pursue it so will never know.

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I think I heard even same sex non-Jewish spouses as well but not sure as you can't do a same sex marriage in Israel. 

 

 

Israel does accept same-sex marriages when the ceremony, either religious or civil, has  been performed abroad.  It must be a legally recognized "official" marriage with documentation.  Civil ceremonies aren't performed in Israel, nor are same-sex marriages.  In terms  of a non -Jewish spouse gaining citizenship through the Law of Return, Israel doesn't accept common-law marriages, even if the coup[e can document they have lived together for many years.  There has to be a registered marriage, in Israel or abroad.

6 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Israel does accept same-sex marriages when the ceremony, either religious or civil, has  been performed abroad.  It must be a legally recognized "official" marriage with documentation.  Civil ceremonies aren't performed in Israel, nor are same-sex marriages.  In terms  of a non -Jewish spouse gaining citizenship through the Law of Return, Israel doesn't accept common-law marriages, even if the coup[e can document they have lived together for many years.  There has to be a registered marriage, in Israel or abroad.

Right. Actual marriages.

To clarify, I guess I hadn't realized that they were OK with practicing another religion in cases where Judaism hadn't been practiced before like so many of the Russian migrants. That would explain how that wave happened.

Maybe you know this one. A person who can prove Jewish ancestry but is very openly atheist. I know secular would be OK but would active atheism be seen as practicing another (no) religion? 

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Maybe you know this one. A person who can prove Jewish ancestry but is very openly atheist. I know secular would be OK but would active atheism be seen as practicing another (no) religion? 

 I'm not 100% sure, but I believe atheism is considered "no religion" in Israel and a confirmed open atheist can still claim Israeli citizenship under the Law of Return.  Ancestry, not religious practice, is the key feature of the LoR.

An offensive graphic was removed, as was an off topic and offensive reference to events in the Second World War. 

6 hours ago, swissie said:

So glad to hear that this was mainly a hypothetical question Simon. You could not possibly erect your HAM antennas in Israel. The Israelis as well as the palestinians would classify you immediately as a"Spy". Luang Prabang is nice this time of year I was told and much more peaceful than Israel. Enjoy.

You just made that up.

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