4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Your right. Nothing more needs to be said. The "new" Democrats like shutting Trump's govenment down.

Perhaps the 'new' Democrats wish to keep America as a Democratic Republic, rather than a dictatorial wasteland.

Just release the Epstein files already.

 

Then get back to work.

4 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Perhaps the 'new' Democrats wish to keep America as a Democratic Republic, rather than a dictatorial wasteland.

There we go. The syndrome. Obviously you have no idea what a dictator is.

And their beloved Muh Ukraine war??? The left are so lost

9 hours ago, thesetat said:

This whole government shutdown is because nothing else worked to get the people against Trump. This is their last resort. I do hope it does not succeed. The Dems have lost sight of working in government for the people and instead only work for themselves and their party. 

The 2025 Dems are Social Justice warriors. This is what their style of far left Democracy looks like , Resistance.

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

And their beloved Muh Ukraine war??? The left are so lost

Lost & desperately staging a  Constitutional crisis in proportions to pre civil war insurrectionist .

They have lost the Election,all their progressive initiatives  are being dismantled Constitutionally  by someone who they opposed and hate so much.

8 hours ago, TedG said:

Only congess can spend money. 

 

The U.S. Constitution, in Article I, Section 9, Clause 7, states, "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law". The Founders included this provision to ensure that the executive branch could not spend taxpayer money without authorization from the people's representatives in Congress.

Trump ignores that constantly without any consequences as maga congress has ceded their power.

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

And their beloved Muh Ukraine war??? The left are so lost

You prefer Putin?

I was under the impression that the Republicans control Congress, the Senate and the Presidency, yet they cannot persuade any others, Democrats or Independents, to join them? Can it be they aren't good at the Art of the Deal?

All essential workers like military and air traffic controllers should be paid.  Have they stopped paying Congressmen and Senators?  The answer is, "No." Congress still gets paid.

The military should have funds dedicated to the paying the salaries of military members, just like Congress has set aside funds for themselves to be paid during government shutdowns. 

33 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You prefer Putin?

Yep - I do.

8 hours ago, TedG said:

Only congess can spend money. 

 

The U.S. Constitution, in Article I, Section 9, Clause 7, states, "No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law". The Founders included this provision to ensure that the executive branch could not spend taxpayer money without authorization from the people's representatives in Congress.

Notice that Congress makes sure that Congress is paid when the government is shut down.  

38 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump ignores that constantly without any consequences as maga congress has ceded their power.

Can you please post something that is coherent.  

31 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I was under the impression that the Republicans control Congress, the Senate and the Presidency, yet they cannot persuade any others, Democrats or Independents, to join them? Can it be they aren't good at the Art of the Deal?

The Democrats wanted this shutdown to fire up their base.  

The Republicans control both Houses of government and the White House.

C-o-n-t-r-o-l. ALL of the government.

And you want us to believe that the shutdown was caused by anyone else?

555!

 

15 hours ago, TedG said:

Can you please post something that is coherent.  

I don't speak maganese.

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't speak maganese.

You don't even speak English. 

Congress has ceded its power to dear leader.

This is what the END of American democracy looks like.

 

With Its Tail Between Its Legs, Congress Cedes Its Constitutional Responsibilities To President Trump

www.forbes.com/sites/andrewtisch/2025/04/09/with-its-tail-between-its-legs-congress-cedes-its-constitutional-responsibilities-to-president-trump/

 

A tectonic shift is occurring in the balance of power among the branches of the federal government. The legislative branch is ceding more of its power to the executive branch, and the judiciary may not be equipped or inclined to stop it. It could upend the balance of power that has stabilized our government and sustained our democracy for almost 250 years.

Over the decades, Congress has been slowly giving up its leadership responsibilities, which have been enabled by leadership in the Democratic and Republican parties. Presidents of both parties — including George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden — have increasingly filled the vacuum with more assertive executive actions. Now, however, the Trump administration is moving more aggressively than any president in at least a century to assert powers that were long understood to be delegated to the U.S. Congress under the guise of a mandate by voters.

23 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

Perhaps the 'new' Democrats wish to keep America as a Democratic Republic, rather than a dictatorial wasteland.

How does a government shutdown make this happen? 

15 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

The Republicans control both Houses of government and the White House.

C-o-n-t-r-o-l. ALL of the government.

And you want us to believe that the shutdown was caused by anyone else?

555!

 

 An uneducated comment. Republicans need 60 votes in the Senate to pass a bill and they only have 53 of the 100 seats so at least 7 Democrats must vote yea for the clean CR to pass hence it's the Democrats keeping the shutdown going.

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Congress has ceded its power to dear leader.

This is what the END of American democracy looks like.

 

With Its Tail Between Its Legs, Congress Cedes Its Constitutional Responsibilities To President Trump

www.forbes.com/sites/andrewtisch/2025/04/09/with-its-tail-between-its-legs-congress-cedes-its-constitutional-responsibilities-to-president-trump/

 

A tectonic shift is occurring in the balance of power among the branches of the federal government. The legislative branch is ceding more of its power to the executive branch, and the judiciary may not be equipped or inclined to stop it. It could upend the balance of power that has stabilized our government and sustained our democracy for almost 250 years.

Over the decades, Congress has been slowly giving up its leadership responsibilities, which have been enabled by leadership in the Democratic and Republican parties. Presidents of both parties — including George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden — have increasingly filled the vacuum with more assertive executive actions. Now, however, the Trump administration is moving more aggressively than any president in at least a century to assert powers that were long understood to be delegated to the U.S. Congress under the guise of a mandate by voters.

This has been happening since FDR and you are just noticing?  The libertarians have been pointing this out for decades.    The writer of this article should be punched in the face for just noticing this shift. 

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

 An uneducated comment. Republicans need 60 votes in the Senate to pass a bill and they only have 53 of the 100 seats so at least 7 Democrats must vote yea for the clean CR to pass hence it's the Democrats keeping the shutdown going.

Yes, the dems passed the CR in march and the far left got pissed.  So, now they decided to "fight" Trump.   Dems are lame. 

11 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

How does a government shutdown make this happen? 

Sorry, but you have to ask this of the Republicans in Congress.

They are the ones in control (C.O.N.T.R.O.L. ) of the government today.
They are the ones who make the rules, right?
How could it be Democrats shutting down anything? Democrats are NOT in control of the government. The Republicans are.

Just now, FolkGuitar said:

Sorry, but you have to ask this of the Republicans in Congress.

They are the ones in control (C.O.N.T.R.O.L. ) of the government today.
They are the ones who make the rules, right?
How could it be Democrats shutting down anything? Democrats are NOT in control of the government. The Republicans are.

it takes 60 votes in the Senate to move the bill.  The Republicans have 53 Senators, which means they are 7 votes short to pass the CR.   

 

Do you now understand? 

14 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

 An uneducated comment. Republicans need 60 votes in the Senate to pass a bill and they only have 53 of the 100 seats so at least 7 Democrats must vote yea for the clean CR to pass hence it's the Democrats keeping the shutdown going.

Don't you mean 'at least 7 Democrats' need to lose all sense of decency' and vote to keep millions from effective health care?
Sorry, that's a Repub goal.   🙂

1 minute ago, FolkGuitar said:

Don't you mean 'at least 7 Democrats' need to lose all sense of decency' and vote to keep millions from effective health care?
Sorry, that's a Repub goal.   🙂

The ACA is broken.  The dems passed the temporary subsidies during COVID with zero Republicans votes.  They dems set the date for these subsidies to expire at the end of 2025. 

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

it takes 60 votes in the Senate to move the bill.  The Republicans have 53 Senators, which means they are 7 votes short to pass the CR.   

 

Do you now understand? 

Yes. I understand completely. The Democrats don't want to see Americans harmed by this bill and will not vote for it.
That is very easy to understand.

The Republicans don't give a damn about the health care of Americans, and so they want to push this bill forward.

Sorry, but someone has to care about America.

 

Just now, FolkGuitar said:

Yes. I understand completely. The Democrats don't want to see Americans harmed by this bill and will not vote for it.
That is very easy to understand.

The Republicans don't give a damn about the health care of Americans, and so they want to push this bill forward.

Sorry, but someone has to care about America.

 

These subsides are expensive.  This not the type of thing that should be put on the national credit card.  The ACA is a total and complete failure. 

11 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Sorry, but you have to ask this of the Republicans in Congress.

They are the ones in control (C.O.N.T.R.O.L. ) of the government today.
They are the ones who make the rules, right?
How could it be Democrats shutting down anything? Democrats are NOT in control of the government. The Republicans are.

Did yuou not understand my very clear post above? You obviously have no idea how things work in the US Senate. Republicans need 60 votes and only have 53. To keep the government open 7 Democrats must vote yeh to pass the CR. As it is they have four so only 3 more Democrats need to vote yea to reopen the government. This is very easy to understand.

1 minute ago, FolkGuitar said:

Sorry, but someone has to care about America.

The dems certainly don't care about the future.  The future is bleak finically with all these bloated social programs.   The old people are passing on a huge bill to the future.