October 25, 2025Oct 25 30 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said: 100 to 125 is not really that big. The 155s are noticeably more powerful but they are also bulkier so not an advantage in Pattaya and triple the price. I would be looking at a 110i Click in Pattaya, or Bangkok for that matter. Maneuverability is more useful than speed. I was saying that no one is riding mopeds. Actually, 110cc can put out a lot of power with modern engine technology. A 110cc is perfect in heavy traffic, but I moved out to an area where I spend most travel time on highways, so bigger would be better.
October 25, 2025Oct 25 1 minute ago, JensenZ said: You might think so, but it's like a boat compared to my Yamaha Mio. There no comparison in heavy traffic. Maybe your skill, it's easy in heavy traffic i do it every day
October 25, 2025Oct 25 5 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: Maybe your skill, it's easy in heavy traffic i do it every day Having ridden bikes all my life, big and small, and riding in Pattaya for 20 years, I can assure you, point to point, you're not catching me on any 160 cc in heavy traffic. On the open road, sure, but not in heavy traffic. I didn't say it can't be done, it's just not as nimble.
October 25, 2025Oct 25 14 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: My Click 160 maneuvers perfectly in Pattaya As does my Forza 350 where the power is very useful in small bursts. Yes, it is heavier and yes, on one occasion I did clip the exhaust of another bike whilst trying to maneuver in Big C car park.
October 25, 2025Oct 25 8 hours ago, hotandsticky said: As does my Forza 350 where the power is very useful in small bursts. Yes, it is heavier and yes, on one occasion I did clip the exhaust of another bike whilst trying to maneuver in Big C car park. to be fair I've never had a problem maneuvering any of my bikes in traffic including the BMW 800
October 25, 2025Oct 25 2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: to be fair I've never had a problem maneuvering any of my bikes in traffic including the BMW 800 Although you will struggle to maneuver to the bikes area at the front of many junctions with lights. These little 125-150s are great, except for shopping!
October 26, 2025Oct 26 Author 23 hours ago, emptypockets said: There used to be a member who posted on the motorbike forum. Very experienced rider. Not with us any more. RIP Kwasaki. He was apparently 76 No idea of how or where the accident happened or what the circumstances are but we all must know the risk is higher if we are older . We all must be risk management adverse
October 26, 2025Oct 26 2 hours ago, jacko45k said: Although you will struggle to maneuver to the bikes area at the front of many junctions with lights. These little 125-150s are great, except for shopping! I've been shopping with a Yamaha Mio for many years. With 4 hooks under the seat, one in front, plus the large foot area, I can carry a full shopping cart home. I wouldn't shop any other way. No bike can carry more, and shopping in Pattaya by car is a tiresome task in the traffic. I have a car but hardly ever use it, and I was thinking of selling it.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 2 hours ago, jacko45k said: Although you will struggle to maneuver to the bikes area at the front of many junctions with lights. These little 125-150s are great, except for shopping! Shopping ... no problem ...
October 26, 2025Oct 26 4 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said: He was apparently 76 No idea of how or where the accident happened or what the circumstances are but we all must know the risk is higher if we are older . We all must be risk management adverse Without doubt, my risk of accident is much lower in my 60s than in my teens and 20s. I rode big bikes (1000cc and more) back then, like crazy, sometimes at speeds over 200 km/h, and it's a surprise I'm still alive to post here. One bad accident with many broken bones, at age 23, cured me. Now I ride a scooter and seldom exceed 60 km/h, and that's only when I have to keep up with traffic flow. To add, a fully automatic scooter is much safer than messing around with the clutch and gears and using foot brakes.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 Author 10 minutes ago, JensenZ said: Without doubt, my risk of accident is much lower in my 60s than in my teens and 20s. I rode big bikes (1000cc and more) back then, like crazy, sometimes at speeds over 200 km/h, and it's a surprise I'm still alive to post here. One bad accident with many broken bones, at age 23, cured me. Now I ride a scooter and seldom exceed 60 km/h, and that's only when I have to keep up with traffic flow. To add, a fully automatic scooter is much safer than messing around with the clutch and gears and using foot brakes. They have manual scooters ???
October 26, 2025Oct 26 Just now, georgegeorgia said: They have manual scooters ??? You have to be difficult, don't you? To make it easier for you, let's call it a "fully automatic motorbike". A fully automatic motor vehicle of any type is safer than one with a manual transmission. Additionally, the Honda Wave, a semi-automatic motorcycle, is very popular in Pattaya. It has a foot brake, but no clutch.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 On 10/24/2025 at 11:00 AM, KhunLA said: Knocking on 71, and I'll stop riding when I can't get on it. No more dangerous in TH, than a car, possibly less so, as smaller, and can avoid things easier. Like all machines and or products, they aren't dangerous, the people operating them are. Statistics always apply to populations rather than individuals and we all believe that "our case is somehow different". Motorcycles are dangerous? For their riders or for others is the question. The question of whether bikes cause accidents is a different question entirely. Anyhow, from a Google query "percentage of traffic deaths in thailand that involve motorcycles" "Motorcycles are involved in approximately 74% to over 80% of traffic fatalities in Thailand. This figure highlights the high risk associated with motorcycle travel in the country, with some sources citing that 80% of road fatalities involve motorcycles. " This is from the Google AI summary and, as always, the sources it used are listed in the response in case someone wants to argue that the real number is 71%. I would say "its a big number" and feel that was a safe conclusion.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 Author 15 minutes ago, JensenZ said: You have to be difficult, don't you? To make it easier for you, let's call it a "fully automatic motorbike". A fully automatic motor vehicle of any type is safer than one with a manual transmission. Additionally, the Honda Wave, a semi-automatic motorcycle, is very popular in Pattaya. It has a foot brake, but no clutch. Not being difficult,I have never driven a motorcycle in my life !!. Nor do I have a manual drivers licence ,I don't know how to drive a manual I thought all you did was push that thing forward on the handle bar to go ?
October 26, 2025Oct 26 6 minutes ago, cdemundo said: Statistics always apply to populations rather than individuals and we all believe that "our case is somehow different". Yes, statistics do not apply to individuals, and they have little relevance. For individuals, there are many factors to consider. Here are some: 1. The age of the rider. 2. The experience and skill of the rider. 3. The motorcycle being ridden. 4. The maintenance of the motorcycle. Tires and brake condition are 2 big ones to consider. 5. Is the rider wearing a good crash helmet? 6. Excessive speed for the conditions. For example, to think that my level of danger is equal to a young school kid riding a badly maintained motorcycle at high speed with 3-4 people on it (all helmetless) while chatting on his cellphone is absurd, but it illustrates how statistics lie.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 1 minute ago, georgegeorgia said: Not being difficult,I have never driven a motorcycle in my life !!. Nor do I have a manual drivers licence ,I don't know how to drive a manual I thought all you did was push that thing forward on the handle bar to go ? If you're buying a motor scooter today, which is what most people ride in Pattaya, it's fully automatic and extremely easy to ride.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 Author I want to learn how to drive one of those 3 wheel motorbikes Do they call them Humvees? Are they allowed on the roads in Thailand
October 26, 2025Oct 26 1 minute ago, georgegeorgia said: I want to learn how to drive one of those 3 wheel motorbikes Do they call them Humvees? Are they allowed on the roads in Thailand I've seen motorcycles here with 2 front wheels and 2 back wheels. It seems most things are allowed on roads here LOL. I prefer 1 back and 1 front wheel to allow for maximum manoeuvrability.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 34 minutes ago, cdemundo said: Statistics always apply to populations rather than individuals and we all believe that "our case is somehow different". Motorcycles are dangerous? For their riders or for others is the question. The question of whether bikes cause accidents is a different question entirely. Anyhow, from a Google query "percentage of traffic deaths in thailand that involve motorcycles" "Motorcycles are involved in approximately 74% to over 80% of traffic fatalities in Thailand. This figure highlights the high risk associated with motorcycle travel in the country, with some sources citing that 80% of road fatalities involve motorcycles. " This is from the Google AI summary and, as always, the sources it used are listed in the response in case someone wants to argue that the real number is 71%. I would say "its a big number" and feel that was a safe conclusion. Again, irrelevant to individuals. As silly as 'guns kill', and I owned 16, and nobody was every harmed. That 74% might apply to me ... IF ... ... I wasn't trained (here's the brake, clutch, accelerator & lean into curves) ... I wasn't experience (44 yrs) ... I didn't practice extreme defensive driving skills ... I drove irresponsibly, and didn't obey most laws ... I drove at higher speeds than conditions permitted ... I didn't wear a helmet ... I drove under the influence ... I didn't have something to live for, and people wanting me to live If I was 20 yrs old, owned a MC, and drove it like the idiot I was back then, yea, I wouldn't have made to 21 yrs old. Why I didn't buy MC (750cc) until I was 27, as I knew, I'd kill myself. As reckless as I was, I was at least that intelligent.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 On 10/24/2025 at 6:17 PM, KhaoHom said: Pearl clutchers lol...Or people who've lived here decades. Playing odds . I'm guessing you're a smoker and often ride raw as well. The number of people that die in automobile accidents annually in Thailand sets world records. Pearl clutching ... Ive lived here for decades. I own cars/pickups/motorbikes. Just got home from a lovely ride out around the back of silver lake. When do I die ?
October 26, 2025Oct 26 15 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: Maybe your skill, it's easy in heavy traffic i do it every day That's disgusting, Can't you wait until you're at home?
October 26, 2025Oct 26 5 hours ago, jacko45k said: Although you will struggle to maneuver to the bikes area at the front of many junctions with lights. These little 125-150s are great, except for shopping! no struggling encountered, as for shopping, loads at the front of the Click, even using handlebars then the top box
October 26, 2025Oct 26 On 10/24/2025 at 10:35 AM, proton said: Nobody over 65 should get a bike license, they are a danger to themselves and others on those killing machines Though disagree with the killing machines thing (only the light-footed refuse to ride and deride those that do—you will never beat the high/freedom of biking), if op has never ridden it’s probably not a good idea. You need decades of experience to properly handle it here.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 17 minutes ago, daveAustin said: Though disagree with the killing machines thing (only the light-footed refuse to ride and deride those that do—you will never beat the high/freedom of biking), if op has never ridden it’s probably not a good idea. You need decades of experience to properly handle it here. Agree ..... STEEL HORSES BABY Guessing OP never road horses at full gallop either ... 😎 Let alone a 900cc @ 125+ mph / 200+ kph Speedometer didn't go up that high, but my 750cc did, and I was definitely going faster than that on the 900cc Got to Live a Full Life .... And driving around semi-rural Thailand is dangerous at 60 to 90 kph (56 mph)
October 26, 2025Oct 26 maybe a better solution is to rent an apartment in south/central pattaya just next to a big road where baht busses travel every 15 minutes, and use them to cut down on bike taxi expenses, it will also be more stuff within walking distance
October 26, 2025Oct 26 On 10/24/2025 at 5:30 AM, georgegeorgia said: I'm talking about Pattaya here thus i have posted in the Pattaya section Last time I was in Pattaya I stayed at various Airbnb condominiums thus using Grab a lot My budget expenses for one month was around 3000 baht That was going from Jomtien to Pattaya several times And up to Elite gym on Sukhumvit etc I often think to myself maybe I should learn to drive a motorcycle, Do you as a older retired expat living in Pattaya find you can do without a motorcycle ,what about food shopping etc as far as I know they don't do big shopping deliveries in Pattaya ? Who here is retired but doesn't have a motorcycle and no partner ,how do you rely on getting around ? Baht bus? I did use Grab motorbike several times but with no helmet I didn't feel safe Can you do without a motorbike What you stated also applies to Phuket, the need to do chores, travelling etc are not just restricted to that area. I get around in a car, much safer, I wouldn't use a motorbike if you paid me.
October 26, 2025Oct 26 Author 1 minute ago, JamesPhuket10 said: What you stated also applies to Phuket, the need to do chores, travelling etc are not just restricted to that area. I get around in a car, much safer, I wouldn't use a motorbike if you paid me. I agree but there's no where to park in Pattaya Say I went to Soi Bukhao where can I park I guess the same with most places
October 26, 2025Oct 26 4 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said: I get around in a car, much safer, I wouldn't use a motorbike if you paid me. You're missing out but if elderly, ok
October 26, 2025Oct 26 2 hours ago, KhunLA said: Agree ..... STEEL HORSES BABY Guessing OP never road horses at full gallop either ... 😎 Let alone a 900cc @ 125+ mph / 200+ kph Speedometer didn't go up that high, but my 750cc did, and I was definitely going faster than that on the 900cc Got to Live a Full Life .... And driving around semi-rural Thailand is dangerous at 60 to 90 kph (56 mph) Where is the freedom? Much more comfortable to ride an open top car, I did 170 mph (272 kmh) in my Porsche many times, though of course that is not possible in Thailand, nor is it possible to ride a bike that fast here. I don't understand the freedom nonsense quoted by bike riders, it is all in their heads.
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