9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I see - so she didn’t demand money and announce that she's been sleeping with you every day so deserves more than her ex paid ?

 

Let’s be clear: she’s not entering a legitimate relationship - you're a million miles away from that... 

She’s entering into an arrangement with the express intention of requesting financial compensation for her companionship and sex.

Requesting payment isn’t some accidental convenience that popped up because she lost her job - she planned the request for money from the offset - It’s pay-for-play in every sense - as close to standing on a street corner as it gets. No money, no sex. End of story.

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Sorry, but your idea that you can decide what is a "legitimate" relationship is frankly ludicrous. Of course it's a legitimate relationship. In essence she wants a relationship, A very normal and legitimate one. And she wants a household allowance of 500 bucks.

 

My idea is that when a woman demands money from me claiming that she's had sex with me every day - then its not a legitimate relationship...   Its frankly ludicrous that you are attempting to white-wash a relationship with a hooker as conventional !!!... 

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

All perfectly normal and very similar to how husbands or boyfriends pay household allowances in the UK.

 

Oh.. I misunderstood - she's going to cover the rent / mortgage, electricity bill, food-shopping, supplies, fuel bills etc from this allowance ??

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's obviously not like standing on a street corner, where she'd serve 15 johns a night. She is actually seeking a one man long term relationship. Just with an allowance. I know this blows the drawers in your mind to smithereens, but this is what it is. It's neither illegitimate nor unusual.

 

Thats fair enough... not 15 johns in a single night...    But it could be any one of those 15 johns if they are prepared to pay 'longer term'...   

 

I agree with, a relationship like that its not unusual here in Thailand where guys like you pay for women to be in a relationship with them - but its not a legitimate relationship - its a relationship where her sole purpose is to make money.

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

someone who sells themselves for money doesn't change the fact that you are paying for someone to pretend to like you.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa...She does genuinely like me.

 

You might be very likeable - and all other things being equal - she might chose you over another guy prepared to pay 10,000 baht a month for her to be with him...  

... But don't be under any illusion that she'd move onto a guy who she doesn't like if he's willing to pay her 20,000 baht per month.

Your level of likability is directly proportional to the amount you are prepared to pay out.

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

And she's not selling herself for money. She just wants an allowance so she can pay the motorbike of her mother and 3000 to her mother.

 

She doesn't want to get a Job in Lotus, 7-11 or apply for work in various businesses or companies like regular girls do then ???

 

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

What do you think the allowance is 'compensation for' ???  Sleeping together was the 'only' part of the discussion - Otherwise, you'd be paying for regular maid.

 

It's not "compensation" for anything. It's to service the payment to her mother. Just a need she has.

 

If you don't pay - she won't have sex with you - its that simple !

 

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She’d disappear faster than a freelance worker when a client tries to “love for free"... oh.. hang-on...

 

You've made predictions in the past and were wrong. There's no way to predict human behaviour precisely. Or else you'd be a stock market billionaire.

 

This girl is not the stock-market - she's a girl who's is prepared to be with a guy if he gives her money.... her behavior when he refuses to give her money is predictable. 

 

What predictions did I make that were wrong ?

 

 

 

 

42 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She’s entering into an arrangement with the express intention of requesting financial compensation for her companionship and sex.

 

Yes, but you and many others on this forum are delusional about how it works here.

Maybe 10% of women in Thailand come from middle class families.

Good luck dating one of these. The odds are slim. 

The remaining 90% are bar girls or low-income or jobless girls who need support.

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, rumak said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

What movie ??...   “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Poon” ?? !!! 

 

The only movie where a guy dates a hooker without realising she’s a hooker would be some catastrophic, straight-to-VHS disaster....

 

The plot?...  A clueless, middle-aged bloke wanders through Thailand convinced he’s discovered “true love”.... while everyone else can clearly see he’s dating the town’s most industrious night-shift entrepreneur.

 

... Or perhaps a documentary: "the mating rituals of the Southeast Asian Wallet Hunter"... 

 

.... What you are portraying...  Forrest Gump, but with out the charm, double the stupidity, and Jenny charging by the hour...

Even the popcorn would feel sorry for you.....

 

Thank you Richard .   Sometimes i write something and feel i'm being a bit hard on the poor guy .   

Then i can read one of your classics ... and realize ,  i'm not so bad 😅😅😅

 

 

… I still think “Fifty Shades of Pay”  was the peak.. 

 

I must admit to a strong lack of sympathy towards our resident SIMP… Watching him blithely ignore every scrap of advice, latching onto fantasy, and rejecting reality with the enthusiasm of a man auditioning for a Darwin Award is exhausting.... Half the time, I do wonder if he's flacid troll posting from a sweaty basement bedroom... 

.... And yet, here I am, actually restraining the extent of sarcasm and sharpness, because somewhere - somewhere faint, microscopic, and probably delusional myself - there’s a chance that this record-breaking blue-pilled-beta, this walking cautionary tale in human form, might actually be real....

 

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

44 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She’s entering into an arrangement with the express intention of requesting financial compensation for her companionship and sex.

 

Yes, but you and many others on this forum are delusional about how it works here.

Maybe 10% of women in Thailand come from middle class families.

Good luck dating one of these. The odds are slim. 

The remaining 90% are bar girls or low-income or jobless girls who need support.

 

 

Nope - not delusional - myself (and others on this forum) simply aren’t so limited that we only view women from the low-income or jobless segment of society as “available” and therefore normalise pay-for-play relationships...

If that’s your bag, fair enough - no criticism there... But don’t lump it in with normal relationships that aren’t founded on financial incentives from the outset. They are categorically different, no matter how desperately you want to believe she’s “with you for you” and not your wallet.

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yes, but you and many others on this forum are delusional about how it works here.

Maybe 10% of women in Thailand come from middle class families.

Good luck dating one of these. The odds are slim. 

The remaining 90% are bar girls or low-income or jobless girls who need support.

 

 

 

 

 

Well,  i'm not sure how you came up with those numbers,  or what income/assets determine the lines between lower and middle , and upper classes.   It's ok ,  and i will take the same liberty with my comment .  After all, this is not a thesis .  

 

As for "delusion" ,  there is plenty of that to go around... in all forms of human life.  Let's take farangs, specifically those residing in Thailand , male , and looking for a gf , short or long time.   But first... here is good ole google giving a generalized opinion of what women find attractive in men.  ( i am quoting a very brief one ) :

Women are attracted to men who are funny, kind, and loyal. They prefer a man who is goal-driven and mature, as well as emotionally and financially stable. Physically speaking, women value height, a good scent, a deep voice, and symmetrical features. For women, looks are largely less important than personality.

hmmmmm.   I would say that geographical regions of the world might vary quite a bit on which traits are most important .... but,  here's my opinion of Thai ladies. (post internet and social media) ! ............ (does not include "Hi So" ..as i have no clue what goes on except the jealousy and screaming seen on Thai Lakorn series)

1. age 15-25  .   Looks and personality ,  fun, "generous" .  Long term goals/prospects not top of the thought process .   Pretty sure that is a generalization everywhere 

2. age 25- 33  .   Add long term financial and emotional prospects(faithful or playboy) ...

for those girls with some goal to have a traditional relationship (marriage/kids).  Socially the average poor or "not rich"  children will not think too deeply about specifics .  That is why "just want a good heart"   "a sincere man"   "no jao chu (playboy")  are often about as specific an answer as they can provide .

3. age 35-45  .  Plenty of life experience by this age .  In the old days, before internet, they would pretty much be grounded forever,  possibly with a husband and family, but many just single parents,  working in clerical or sales positions,  or if "better"  schooling and long term employment, teachers or govt. employees . (post office, amphur, smaller administration jobs out of the cities, etc .

 

TBContinued  (i am typing NOW.... so hold the comments)   I'm now on the farang/thai  "dating"  scene

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

I've got the perfect Christmas present for her.

Only 20,000 baht. (They are on sale in Austria for 10,000 though).

 

 

Is that her twin sister?

11 minutes ago, rumak said:

Well,  i'm not sure how you came up with those numbers,  or what income/assets determine the lines between lower and middle , and upper classes.

 

Hey may be living with Ex brass and trying to justify why and normalise it....

 

There are plenty of relationships where one partner takes care of the other, where one covers more costs etc....  But these relationships did not start as a financial transaction or with expectation of a financial return from the offset...   

.. and that is a key difference 'some' posters (STF and Cam) are deliberately 'glossing over' in attempts to normalise their paid for relationships...

 

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

6 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

 

Is that her twin sister?

 

Careful - Cam's so myopic - he'll believe this one truly loves him too...   'cos she maintains eye contact while he gets his "thaygn-owwnnnn"...

"most Western retirees in Thailand are generally over 50 years old, with a significant number in the 60+ age group. "  This is the group i am addressing ...

 

STFrogs reports :

"Maybe 10% of women in Thailand come from middle class families.

Good luck dating one of these. The odds are slim. "   

 

Well..... are they 25 ?  or 35?   or 45 ?    And is the Farang 25 or 35 or 45 ... or 55 or 65 !

Common sense should enable anyone with half a brain (about average for new retirees) to look in the mirror and their birth certificate and make some rational assesment as to what their worth is to the opposite sex ;   age/  physical condition/  personality/ bathing habits/  language skills ..... but really first thing they think is i have money. i am smart.

If they're "shopping " in the p4p scene (which as Cam shows, they don't even understand) that young girl giving you that killing smile is thinking  He has money.  He looks stupid.   

 

if we are going to guess at percentages... i'd say that 80% of these retirees is not attractive (usually overweight) ,  looks confused,  and can not speak Thai ( i found language to be the best way to open the dating door )  If  Farang is over 50 than the 30-45 range is larger than you would think .  And not all have children .  Really.  Though an older child is not a dealbreaker (imo) .  Most important is the quality of the lady.  

 

"The remaining 90% are bar girls or low-income or jobless girls who need support."

Sorry.... that my friend is a long way from the reality .  I have lived in cities and in smaller towns and villages ...... 5 different locations in N.Thailand.  Also have travelled all over.  Everywhere there are attractive , pleasant , and definitely more desirable  women than bar or "take care of me"  workers. 

They work in small shops,  maybe have a small business . I dated a very pretty 33 year old  from Nong khai education office .  Also , a girl with a masters who owned small rental property (both met online) . Can they discuss physics with you ?  Nope, but some have qualities that defy western values.

 

Many nice catches exist :    but they are not interested in 90% of the Farang fisherman that

are trolling the polluted waters looking to buy something.  

 

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

In reality every girl you write to now will seek some resources in the short or long term. Much like in the UK really.

 

Nope. I ain't paying. My friends aren't paying. The gardener probably isn't paying. Get some self respect man or you will always be a lapdog to these women.

 

And if you are paying at least get a good looking woman next time. This isn't even simping..... it's slavery.

 

 

24 minutes ago, rumak said:

"most Western retirees in Thailand are generally over 50 years old, with a significant number in the 60+ age group. "  This is the group i am addressing ...

 

STFrogs reports :

"Maybe 10% of women in Thailand come from middle class families.

Good luck dating one of these. The odds are slim. "   

 

Well..... are they 25 ?  or 35?   or 45 ?    And is the Farang 25 or 35 or 45 ... or 55 or 65 !

Common sense should enable anyone with half a brain (about average for new retirees) to look in the mirror and their birth certificate and make some rational assesment as to what their worth is to the opposite sex ;   age/  physical condition/  personality/ bathing habits/  language skills ..... but really first thing they think is i have money. i am smart.

If they're "shopping " in the p4p scene (which as Cam shows, they don't even understand) that young girl giving you that killing smile is thinking  He has money.  He looks stupid.   

 

if we are going to guess at percentages... i'd say that 80% of these retirees is not attractive (usually overweight) ,  looks confused,  and can not speak Thai ( i found language to be the best way to open the dating door )  If  Farang is over 50 than the 30-45 range is larger than you would think .  And not all have children .  Really.  Though an older child is not a dealbreaker (imo) .  Most important is the quality of the lady.  

 

"The remaining 90% are bar girls or low-income or jobless girls who need support."

Sorry.... that my friend is a long way from the reality .  I have lived in cities and in smaller towns and villages ...... 5 different locations in N.Thailand.  Also have travelled all over.  Everywhere there are attractive , pleasant , and definitely more desirable  women than bar or "take care of me"  workers. 

They work in small shops,  maybe have a small business . I dated a very pretty 33 year old  from Nong khai education office .  Also , a girl with a masters who owned small rental property (both met online) . Can they discuss physics with you ?  Nope, but some have qualities that defy western values.

 

Many nice catches exist :    but they are not interested in 90% of the Farang fisherman that

are trolling the polluted waters looking to buy something.  

 

 

Ok, well you obviously put a lot of effort into that one.

It's a kick in the nuts to my argument right there.

 

The only other thread that went over 100 pages on this forum was the "Do You Believe in God?" thread, I think.

 

 

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The only other thread that went over 100 pages on this forum was the "Do You Believe in God?" thread, I think.

 

 

 

Yes threads about fictional subjects tend to be popular

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Ok, well you obviously put a lot of effort into that one.

It's a kick in the nuts to my argument right there.

 

 

Not meant to be like that .   I know it sounds like it , but really i need to keep my

brain active haha   so today happened to let my opinions run on a bit .

 

fwiw ...... i had my happenings and mishaps with some not so honorable ladies .

Been through many phases here in Thailand ,  and all in all am still really happy i am

here and not my "home" country.

5 hours ago, CallumWK said:

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

The only other thread that went over 100 pages on this forum was the "Do You Believe in God?" thread, I think.

 

 

 

Yes threads about fictional subjects tend to be popular

 

Oh I don't know.... 

 

The dopeheads gave it good go here...

https://aseannow.com/topic/1264995-cheapest-good-weed-now-i-found-350-thbgram-but-not-cheaper-yet-any-idea/

 

The Voltheads gave it a good go here... 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1246109-ice-vs-ev-the-debate-thread/

 

And the <removed> gave it a good go here...

https://aseannow.com/topic/1338748-thai-gov-to-tax-remitted-income-from-abroad-for-tax-residents-starting-2024-part-ii/page/109/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

 

 

20 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

Nope. I ain't paying. My friends aren't paying. The gardener probably isn't paying. Get some self respect man or you will always be a lapdog to these women.

 

And if you are paying at least get a good looking woman next time. This isn't even simping..... it's slavery.

 

 

 

are you making fun of his woman's lips ?   🤪

12 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

are you making fun of his woman's lips ?   🤪

 

Im saying if you're paying for it at least don't get an old lady with 3 kids that already had plastic surgeries.

 

At least go for uni girls or something 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

My idea is that when a woman demands money from me claiming that she's had sex with me every day - then its not a legitimate relationship...   Its frankly ludicrous that you are attempting to white-wash a relationship with a hooker as conventional !!!... 

 

I'm doing no such thing. This girl is not a "hooker". You're whitwashing your own relationship pretending your girl and your friends' girls are not after exactly the same, resources. You're paying, like everyone else. 

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

she's going to cover the rent / mortgage, electricity bill, food-shopping, supplies, fuel bills etc from this allowance ??

 

You're not culturally aware, in Thailand taking care of a parent is part of the normal bills for young people.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But it could be any one of those 15 johns if they are prepared to pay 'longer term'.

 

No. You're really pitifully unaware of how it works with women. Any woman who is not an outright prostitute, will simply not choose a man based on money alone. They choose a man and then seek resources. Just having money will in no way guarantee you can get with any of the girls. They call it "dating". They don't see themselves as prostitutes. They pick and choose. And money is just one consideration.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

but its not a legitimate relationship - its a relationship where her sole purpose is to make money.

 

No, her sole purpose is not just to make money. That's an incidental necessity. And what you deem "legitimate" is really only of interest to you.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

But don't be under any illusion that she'd move onto a guy who she doesn't like if he's willing to pay her 20,000 baht per month.

 

Do you think if your gf/wife were propositioned by a man offering vastly more money than you do, or any of your friends, that she would not consider it? This is in the nature of things. Hypergamy exempts noone. 

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She doesn't want to get a Job in Lotus, 7-11 or apply for work in various businesses or companies like regular girls do then ???

 

It's not clear to me yet. She keeps talking about a job. But she basically said if she doesn't get enough from me she'd get a job.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

If you don't pay - she won't have sex with you - its that simple !

 

I didn't pay for days and she had sex with me. So obviously it's not that simple.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

she's a girl who's is prepared to be with a guy if he gives her money....

 

Which is every girl in the world. There's not a single man on all of planet earth today who is not paying for his woman. Despite the lies  some are putting out on this thread and elsewhere.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

What predictions did I make that were wrong ?

 

You predicted I was ghosted by CM girl, when in fact she asked to meet met, is one that comes off the top of my head.

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yes, but you and many others on this forum are delusional about how it works here.

Maybe 10% of women in Thailand come from middle class families.

Good luck dating one of these. The odds are slim. 

The remaining 90% are bar girls or low-income or jobless girls who need support.

 

 

 

 

 

It's actually a fallacy that socio-economic background automatically means a girl is not seeking resources, in any event.. CM girl was middle class for sure, and she selected based on resources, and was one of the most material girls I ever met.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

myself (and others on this forum) simply aren’t so limited

 

Your knowledge of how dating works today is very limited, much like Celsius, because both of you are not actually dating today. So you clearly do not understand how it works.

 

Your entire view of women is very limited in fact. There's a pay for play fool, a clean pool, those women are hookers, those are "legitimate". It's nonsense on stilts, figments of an ignorant mind.

2 hours ago, rumak said:

Women are attracted to men who are funny, kind, and loyal. They prefer a man who is goal-driven and mature, as well as emotionally and financially stable. Physically speaking, women value height, a good scent, a deep voice, and symmetrical features. For women, looks are largely less important than personality.

 

These generalisastions are useless as well. Just as stupid as claiming if you have money you can get with any girl.

 

I think none of you really know what your'e talking about, you just think you do.

 

There are girls who have tastes in men that do not fit in any of these schemata. The world is too complex to make these moulds. There are no "pay for play pools" either. They all want to be paid to play these days, one way or another. 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

But these relationships did not start as a financial transaction or with expectation of a financial return from the offset...   

.. and that is a key difference 'some' posters (STF and Cam) are deliberately 'glossing over' in attempts to normalise their paid for relationships...

 

Because it's completely irrelevant when the financial demand sets in, at the beginning, middle or end. This is just a question of strategy. Fact is all men will pay for their women. There are no exemptions, or so few as to be negligible.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Your knowledge of how dating works today is very limited, much like Celsius, because both of you are not actually dating today. So you clearly do not understand how it works.

 

 

You are not dating tho

1 hour ago, rumak said:

If they're "shopping " in the p4p scene (which as Cam shows, they don't even understand) that young girl giving you that killing smile is thinking  He has money.  He looks stupid. 

 

Neither you, Richard or Celsius understand how dating works today. Because none of you are actually dating.

 

I'm not in any "p4p scene!". I am merely replying to normal dating profiles. And to presume you know what any of these girls think is laughable.

On 10/27/2025 at 3:02 PM, Cameroni said:

So I'm writing for over 2 months now with this Thai girl, 25 years old, extremely attractive. First she agreed to come stay with me in CM, now she demands I go to Phuket for the weekend and says then she will join me in CM. But guess what she just told me? Just to be clear, she does not want to be "tied down", she only wants to have fun and is not ready to be tied down with anyone. "I am afraid to lose my freedom" (freedom to fornicate at will I suspect).

 

This is the first time a Thai girl has literally told me to my face "I want to ride the carousel, yes I'll come have fun with you, but don't have any hopes that I'll stay with you, because I intend to just have fun and ride the carousel until I'm ready to be tied down".

 

I mean I was well aware that girls do this, ride the carousel just to have fun, but to be so shameless about it and tell you to your face, that kind of took my breath away. Has anyone else had a Thai girl be this completely shameless?

 

It is simple, most Thai women are not like that, but replace "Thai girl, 25 years old" to "Thai prostitute, 25 years old" and things will become as clear as day.

 

If the girl wanted just sex and fun she would choose young guys to do it with not old blokes. 

 

They are out to make money and if they can get the 15k baht you mentioned for a one off 'trick' and wish to to the same in a short period of time with other punters then what is it you can not see?

 

It is called business as far as she is concerned.

 

You will be telling us next you went for a meal, ate it and they then had the cheek to make you leave as they were closing up. 🤣

 

Unless of course all this is just a joke and we are all falling for it, if so then well done. 👍

 

 

 

58 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Nope. I ain't paying. My friends aren't paying.

 

You are paying, and your friends are paying. Just like Richard is paying and his friends are paying. You are all paying.

 

Some of you are just a bit more delusional than thne rest of us and want to pretend you have "special" relationships. You're not special. Your relationships are not special. You're paying like everyone else.

36 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

are you making fun of his woman's lips ?   🤪

 

She has gorgeous lips. Her smile is the envy of the sun.

Excuse me, my gorgeous 24 year old girlfriend wants to feed me grapes.

 

I may be a while.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Fact is all men will pay for their women. There are no exemptions, or so few as to be negligible.

 

No, that's your fact. The fact is a lot of women work even in Thailand. If I'm paying, please do tell what I'm paying for?

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You are paying, and your friends are paying. Just like Richard is paying and his friends are paying. You are all paying.

 

Some of you are just a bit more delusional than thne rest of us and want to pretend you have "special" relationships. You're not special. Your relationships are not special. You're paying like everyone else.

 

Maybe it's a special relationship to you because you are "special". I can assure you my relationship is quite normal and I am not paying and never paid to have sex with anyone - like never.

 

But to you a 3 is an 8 so you have no credibility. Up your game bud.... that ain't worth 20k or even 10