23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

See above.

 

 

No, he looks at least 10 years younger in real life. Maybe those Korean facials.

 

 

Well, after you declared your 45 year old spouse a "stunner" I feel the same way about you.

 

 

She is exactly who she appears to be. Anyone can compare my photos with yours. Unlike the images you shared, mine involve no AI wizardry and no enhancement and certainly no catfishing or deceptive shots.

 

Maybe I should have my mom log in too, so we can mutually congratulate each other..... she on looking like a teenager, and me on making Brad Pitt look average.

 

And always remember. You are paying.

 

 

7 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

She is exactly who she appears to be. Anyone can compare my photos with yours. Unlike the images you shared, mine involve no AI wizardry and no enhancement and certainly no catfishing or deceptive shots.

 

Maybe I should have my mom log in too, so we can mutually congratulate each other..... she on looking like a teenager, and me on making Brad Pitt look average.

 

And always remember. You are paying.

 

 

 

Still waiting for an actual frontal face pic. 

 

Side view, pic in the dark and head cut off in the bikini pic don't fill me with confidence. 

 

You make Brad Pitt look average now? Yes, clearly you're to be trusted. 

Meanwhile CM girl is again on a date road trip,  Pattaya, Rayong, Ko Chang, Ko Kood. The usual ultra luxury resorts. 

 

How incredibly annoying. 

Just now, Cameroni said:

Meanwhile CM girl is again on a date road trip,  Pattaya, Rayong, Ko Chang, Ko Kood. The usual ultra luxury resorts. 

 

How incredibly annoying. 

 

The competition in Thailand got worse after covid.... rich Chinese, Arabs and Indians. 

 

It's a disaster.

4 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

The competition in Thailand got worse after covid.... rich Chinese, Arabs and Indians. 

 

It's a disaster.

 

The guy who's taking her on these luxury trips is definitely Chinese. They're too well thought out to be from anyone else. Only Chinese have those brains and put in that kind of effort. 

 

I mean I understand it, she's delightful. But it's still annoying. 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The guy who's taking her on these luxury trips is definitely Chinese.

 

Find comfort in the fact that he's likely underwhelming in bed, straight from my wife's review. 

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Nevertheless, my man, in my view, is selling himself short, he still looks younger than 72 and could go lower than 55 if he so desired. However, he is making a very strategic choice.

 

This would not work for me, as I am too aesthetic a person.

I am a former mid-level Government analyst. My formula here is juice versus squeeze. 

 

Like we have age requirement, so do Thai woman.

 

What we all generally want, we can't generally get. What we all can get, we will seldom really want.

 

How to maximize outcomes (juice) with less output (squeeze)?

 

Cameroni is playing a baht-rich game where he hard-qualifies the tiny pool of willing, desirable candidates that meet his standards, and he is willing to risk big in terms of cash and disappointment to do so.

 

So that's a lot of squeezing and spending for not much juice. But that's the only juice he wants.

 

 I'm older, so I don't want to make his squeezing effort. I just graph it out the juice odds and calibrate my squeeze effort accordingly.

 

Unlike Cameroni, I do also want to read a book or something and go out and touch grass sometimes, not just be all game, all of the time.

 

Between 52 and 56, I get very little play on Tinder.

 

That mega-cute 55 year old Chinese Hothead is from a meetup. They don't generally see themselves naked with a 72 year old. It's just a bridge too far.

 

Between 56 and 58, I am getting a like from them back about 1 time in 4.

 

They've staggered through age 52 to 56 with less and less interest. But I still squick them.

 

58 is the era of the still good looking middle class women who can talk a little bit, but are only getting 4 Tinder nibbles a year.  Call that an 80% response.

 

At 60- 62+, it's 100% response rate and a chattier, more people-pleasing vibe.

 

All of the sudden, I look good.

 

And their kids are not going to a problem, and she's more likely to have acceptable education, status, property, and income -hopefully retirement income. 

 

I want someone who's Asian enough to interest me, but western enough not to be jealous and accept me traveling solo and with other friends at least a quarter of the time -augmented with another month of her-travel.

 

I want a low time commitment and for her feeling OK about that. That means pitching still lookers, 60+'s to be that cooled out and have a life of her own so as not to love me long time all of the time in mine.

 

Is it worth a bit of the bloom being off the rose?. My lazy, pragmatic self says yes.

 

The 2 principal mating strategies are to fish where the fish you want are, and to have the appropriate bait -you being the bait. I am so this.

 

The other strategy is Zig Zigler's axiom that you cannot hit a target you cannot see.

 

Once you suss out what you really want, and then pragmatize it for doabilty, it's just matter of keeping on firing arrows until you hit your bullseye.

4 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

So you are saying your friend is ugly. 👍 

No, I'm saying that for me, it's lower my standards, die alone, or pay.

26 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

No, I'm saying that for me, it's lower my standards, die alone, or pay.

 

No worries. I am hideous too.

14 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Nevertheless, my man, in my view, is selling himself short, he still looks younger than 72 and could go lower than 55 if he so desired.

 

Indeed he could..   There's a girl from Sisaket who used to smash-uglies with an Austrain for 10,000 baht per month now pushing the boat out for 20,000 bath per month....  If he made her an offer I'm sure she'd be quite pleased... 

7 hours ago, Cameroni said:

The strategy here obviously is that women over 50 will have lower demands in terms of physical attraction, since they themselves are not in their prime anymore. Surely that's obvious?

 

Exactly the same as skint women then - they have lower demands in terms of physical attraction, since themselves are woefully desparate...  surely thats obvious?

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Still waiting for an actual frontal face pic. 

 

Side view, pic in the dark and head cut off in the bikini pic don't fill me with confidence. 

 

You make Brad Pitt look average now? Yes, clearly you're to be trusted. 

 

People aren't going to sent you photo's of someone they care about

 

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3 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

I am a former mid-level Government analyst. My formula here is juice versus squeeze. 

 

Like we have age requirement, so do Thai woman.

 

What we all generally want, we can't generally get. What we all can get, we will seldom really want.

 

How to maximize outcomes (juice) with less output (squeeze)?

 

Cameroni is playing a baht-rich game where he hard-qualifies the tiny pool of willing, desirable candidates that meet his standards, and he is willing to risk big in terms of cash and disappointment to do so.

 

So that's a lot of squeezing and spending for not much juice. But that's the only juice he wants.

 

 I'm older, so I don't want to make his squeezing effort. I just graph it out the juice odds and calibrate my squeeze effort accordingly.

 

Unlike Cameroni, I do also want to read a book or something and go out and touch grass sometimes, not just be all game, all of the time.

 

Between 52 and 56, I get very little play on Tinder.

 

That mega-cute 55 year old Chinese Hothead is from a meetup. They don't generally see themselves naked with a 72 year old. It's just a bridge too far.

 

Between 56 and 58, I am getting a like from them back about 1 time in 4.

 

They've staggered through age 52 to 56 with less and less interest. But I still squick them.

 

58 is the era of the still good looking middle class women who can talk a little bit, but are only getting 4 Tinder nibbles a year.  Call that an 80% response.

 

At 60- 62+, it's 100% response rate and a chattier, more people-pleasing vibe.

 

All of the sudden, I look good.

 

And their kids are not going to a problem, and she's more likely to have acceptable education, status, property, and income -hopefully retirement income. 

 

I want someone who's Asian enough to interest me, but western enough not to be jealous and accept me traveling solo and with other friends at least a quarter of the time -augmented with another month of her-travel.

 

I want a low time commitment and for her feeling OK about that. That means pitching still lookers, 60+'s to be that cooled out and have a life of her own so as not to love me long time all of the time in mine.

 

Is it worth a bit of the bloom being off the rose?. My lazy, pragmatic self says yes.

 

The 2 principal mating strategies are to fish where the fish you want are, and to have the appropriate bait -you being the bait. I am so this.

 

The other strategy is Zig Zigler's axiom that you cannot hit a target you cannot see.

 

Once you suss out what you really want, and then pragmatize it for doabilty, it's just matter of keeping on firing arrows until you hit your bullseye.

 

I think thats a perfectly reasonable and realistic outlook. 

 

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12 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

Like we have age requirement, so do Thai woman

 

Some do, some don't.  I actually asked Phuket Girl about this, why she likes older men. She said she just never had a really young bf, even her Thai boyfriend was 36. She says, she's aware that men don't age very fast, but women do, so if she's with a much younger guy, she'd lose her looks whilst he does not, but with an older guy, she'll always be the most attractive. It does vary. Some girls only want younger guys, some girls explicitly only want older guys.

 

12 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

Cameroni is playing a baht-rich game where he hard-qualifies the tiny pool of willing, desirable candidates that meet his standards, and he is willing to risk big in terms of cash and disappointment to do so.

 

So that's a lot of squeezing and spending for not much juice. But that's the only juice he wants.

 

Nice to see someone who actually gets my strategy and how I approach it. That's exactly right.

 

12 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

Unlike Cameroni, I do also want to read a book or something and go out and touch grass sometimes, not just be all game, all of the time.

 

I also like to read books, and go out to cycle, but yes, it is a lot of effort with 20 somethings. Obviously this is the drawback. I'm very aware that I have to keep her entertained, and not bored, ensure she has all the food, creams, money, clothes, etc, to a much greater degree than if I was with a 40 or 50 something. 

 

The other downside is that we don't like the same music, films etc, they cannot appreciate older music or films. But then in Asia, you have to compromise anyway, for instance, you're not going to enjoy the same Sunday breakfast, they'll have Sukiyaki or some such, whilst you eat differently. So these differences are something you need to accept.

 

The upside is that you get a highly attractive, highly sexed, fun, good natured girl, who tries hard to please you. Which is the most important for me. When I get up in the morning I can believe this girl really is highly attractive.

 

It's not just attractiveness though. Phuket Girl has what is known as the "Happy Gene". Always joking, laughing, making fun of things. It is very rare for a 40 or 50 something to have this, i think, as life grinds people down.

 

As you rightly say, the important thing is we both know what we really want, so we can get it.

11 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

No, I'm saying that for me, it's lower my standards, die alone, or pay.

 

You're not actually hideous looking. You look 10 years younger than 72, for real, and you have that very Western look that Thai girls like. Maybe not Brad Pitt but I've seen a lot worse.

12 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

Find comfort in the fact that he's likely underwhelming in bed, straight from my wife's review. 

 

That is very comforting. I'm pretty sure that's why CM girl is still dating other guys, whilst she goes on these trips with the Chinese guy and enjoys the top restaurants and hotels. Most likely the Chinese guy doesn't do it for her in terms of attractiveness but he just has a lot of money and works exceptionally hard.

 

The fact that he works so exceptionally hard, even harder than me, taking her to very well thought out, very expensive trips, further underlines that he must be quite unattractive.

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Exactly the same as skint women then - they have lower demands in terms of physical attraction, since themselves are woefully desparate...  surely thats obvious?

 

No, younger attractive women can always make money, go work in factories or bars or anything like this. They're rarely really desperate for money, even if they don't have a lot, as it's easy to come by for them. They have a lot of options, as they are more attractive, so by the simple laws of the market they will have higher demands and a higher price.(not necessarily money, I mean attractiveness, or money, or status, or anything).

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

People aren't going to sent you photo's of someone they care about

 

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He already did!

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

I think thats a perfectly reasonable and realistic outlook. 

 

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I agree, it's very well thought out and reasonable. 

 

I think a touch too reasonable perhaps. He could go for younger, I'm quite sure.  At 55 he's being incredibly resasonable given his socio economic class and looks.

43 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I agree, it's very well thought out and reasonable. 

 

I think a touch too reasonable perhaps. He could go for younger, I'm quite sure.  At 55 he's being incredibly resasonable given his socio economic class and looks.

My New Years Eve date is an options trader who actually makes money at it. We were surprised to find out that we were both reading, "Our Dollar, Your Problem" at the same time.

 

She is ultra-stylish. She is funny. She retired at 52. So she is picky too.

 

The old StickMan truism that white men get the Asian women that the locals don't want (too dark, single mom etc), applies even more so at the older, top end. Of course, they will also be a little tightly wound and less Sabai.

 

There are different elements to attraction, and the non-physical ones grow as you age.

 

 

On 10/27/2025 at 3:29 PM, Cameroni said:

There's so many thirsty guys, they are sure if one says no, there's 20 others willing to pay for her trip. It's astounding, it really is.

Not at the classy, older, still good looking end.

 

There, it's like -at my own status level- 4 to 1 the other way.

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

My New Years Eve date is an options trader who actually makes money at it. We were surprised to find out that we were both reading, "Our Dollar, Your Problem" at the same time.

 

She is ultra-stylish. She is funny. She retired at 52. So she is picky too.

 

The old StickMan truism that white men get the Asian women that the locals don't want (too dark, single mom etc), applies even more so at the older, top end. Of course, they will also be a little tightly wound and less Sabai.

 

There are different elements to attraction, and the non-physical ones grow as you age.

 

 

 

Clearly you're doing very well with the non-physical attributes, English speakers, stylish, funny etc. That's good.. You're quite right, there ARE non-physical attributes that make a person attractive, male and female.

 

For instance Phuket Girl just asked me if I've ever eaten "bear". I said "no". She replied "I have". Me "really?". She "Yes, gummy bear"

 

These attributes, fun, style, language, are what I would term "cognitive" attration markers. However, these emante from and are super imposed on these deep subconscious attraction markers which are physical.

 

In a sense it is true that attraction is not a choice, as physical attraction is basically a collection of markers for health, good genes etc, biological attraction markers if you will.

 

Obviously as sapient beings we can de-prioritize these biological attraction markers, ie beauty, but on a deep subconscious level we will always respond to a person of beauty, almost against our will. We have no choice in it.

 

Maybe I overvalue beauty, as my mother was so beautiful, and herself overvalued beauty to a degree, but to live with a woman who has only cognitiv attraction markers, say fun personality, intelligence, style, language skills etc, whilst clearly possible, seems to me a certain impoverishment of the experience.

 

I don't think it's true that farang only get single moms. Many highly attractive young Thai girls without kids go for farang. Obviously the older the farang the more limited the choices, even in Thailand, though here choices at an older age are still considerable.

 

As for skin colour, I've lived in Grand Cayman and seen stunning black women, so skin colour doesn't come into it for me at all. There's white skinned Thais who look like trolls and dark skined Thais that are real beauties, it's only a minor consideration at best.

 

However, I'd agree that as you age non-physical attraction markers surely become more important.

 

 

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

Not at the classy, older, still good looking end.

 

There, it's like -at my own status level- 4 to 1 the other way.

 

Yes, clearly you improve your odds by looking at 50 plus women, and I have to say I'm surprised by how easy on the eye they are, but that comes at a price.

 

What about menopause?

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, clearly you improve your odds by looking at 50 plus women, and I have to say I'm surprised by how easy on the eye they are, but that comes at a price.

 

What about menopause?

 

Start a relationship with a woman in menopause might not be the best, but women do not have menopause rest of their life. Many healthy women lives a good quality life after menopause, and there is treatment for women to. 

 

It all comes down to if you love the woman you have managed to create long lasting bonds, that makes your inseparable from each other. You both compromise each other and fulfilling each other. While your 24 year old, needs to learn everyhting she needs and comprise for your age 20 more years, and news for you, she wants kids to, and she have family, extended family. 

 

Good luck with your mindset, it will be interesting to see in a few years where you are, if you continue to post, and this forum still alive 😉 

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

Start a relationship with a woman in menopause might not be the best, but women do not have menopause rest of their life. Many healthy women lives a good quality life after menopause, and there is treatment for women to. 

 

It all comes down to if you love the woman you have managed to create long lasting bonds, that makes your inseparable from each other. You both compromise each other and fulfilling each other. While your 24 year old, needs to learn everyhting she needs and comprise for your age 20 more years, and news for you, she wants kids to, and she have family, extended family. 

 

Good luck with your mindset, it will be interesting to see in a few years where you are, if you continue to post, and this forum still alive 😉 

 

Yes, you're right, clearly she will want kids at some point, even if she now says she doesn't, but I'm okay with it. The benefit of already having gone through it twice is that I know it's doable and not half as bad as some think it is.

 

The only concern is how it change the rel when kids arrive really.

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, you're right, clearly she will want kids at some point, even if she now says she doesn't, but I'm okay with it. The benefit of already having gone through it twice is that I know it's doable and not half as bad as some think it is.

 

The only concern is how it change the rel when kids arrive really.

Then what is the worst, a young woman who’s world is all about the baby, or a lady in menopause for a short period of her lifetime. Aiaiai, 

 

it can be different for you because you do all the dirty work and make sure she is the princess she wants to be, and add her mom to come and stay with your guys, that’s perfectly normal in Thailand. 

 

You have no idea 

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Then what is the worst, a young woman who’s world is all about the baby, or a lady in menopause for a short period of her lifetime. Aiaiai, 

 

it can be different for you because you do all the dirty work and make sure she is the princess she wants to be, and add her mom to come and stay with your guys, that’s perfectly normal in Thailand. 

 

You have no idea 

 

Well now there's a ceasefire the danger of mom, kids and pop coming has averted.

 

But yes, I hope to drag out the kid thing for 5 years plus.

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, clearly you improve your odds by looking at 50 plus women, and I have to say I'm surprised by how easy on the eye they are, but that comes at a price.

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, clearly you improve your odds by looking at 50 plus women, and I have to say I'm surprised by how easy on the eye they are, but that comes at a price.

 

What about menopause?

What about menopause?

Menopause is why the odds are now only 4 to 1 in my favor instead 40 to 1.

 

A lot of good women leave the sexual market place. And a lot of the remainers have low libido and dry, painful you know what's.  The bell tolls for us eventually too.

 

And sex becomes a broader thing, maybe less penetrative, more role play-ish, quickies.

 

The women on Tinder are still sexual at a late age. 

 

If they weren't they'd be wearing XXL "It's Wine O'Clock tee shirts and starting dachshund sanctuaries, not bothering with men.

 

 

 

My best friend Amelia from New Zealand shows me the dregs of old age male-dom that she hard-nexts 90% of the time, fast.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

People aren't going to sent you photo's of someone they care about

 

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He already did!

Discretely enough to maintain her privacy….

 

PG is probably still being hit up on ThaiFrienly, so it’s somewhat understandable why you cared little for her privacy when publicly discussing her sexual exploits on this forum.

You don’t see the difference - everyone else does.