1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I understand that you feel the need to justify why you are having to pay to keep your Asian partner. I did not have to do so with mine, so your theory doesn't hold water for me. Where is she now? Ready for me to join her. But that is not my choice for now.

I'm not knocking you. You made what you think/thought was the best choice for you. It's great that you have created some kind of stability in your life. That's all that I need to say about that.

For me, I have love and I didn't need to buy it. It's as simple as that. That's the truth.

All you can do, is twisting words and meanings! Hope it will bring you happiness one day, and give you a meaningful life as well a bright future.

Good luck

9 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

It says it all in your OP. You just chose to ignore it. Your ego telling you that you could tame her 😊

And no one has a bigger ego then this clowmn, World class kickboxer, in the top 1% of earners for over 20 years, lawyer . The guy is no more then a con standover merchant. Trys to buy the ladys and only ever goes after ladies that not have any money so he can try and control.

Unnecessary rant about another member removed.

@FrankieGoesToHolly

16 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

And no one has a bigger ego then this clowmn, World class kickboxer, in the top 1% of earners for over 20 years, lawyer . The guy is no more then a con standover merchant. Trys to buy the ladys and only ever goes after ladies that not have any money so he can try and control.

There may be some truth in that...

But it's hard for someone to change their path, when it's all that they know. At least, by posting it here, he receives help and advice from others, even if he picks and chooses what advice to take. It is illustrative to all of us. So Bravo! at least for telling his story.

31 minutes ago, Hummin said:

All you can do, is twisting words and meanings! Hope it will bring you happiness one day, and give you a meaningful life as well a bright future.

Good luck

and the same to you.

17 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

There may be some truth in that...

But it's hard for someone to change their path, when it's all that they know. At least, by posting it here, he receives help and advice from others, even if he picks and chooses what advice to take. It is illustrative to all of us. So Bravo! at least for telling his story.

I understand what you are saying,but in all honesty,how much of it is true. I personally would not beleive a word the clown has to say.

Just now, theshu25 said:

I understand what you are saying,but in all honesty,how much of it is true. I personally would not beleive a word the clown has to say.

It doesn't matter. It's how you deal with it that matters. Don't get mad about it. If he's a clown, then laugh about it. It's brought a smile to some faces I'm sure and likely it will make others think twice about falling into a similar trap of their own making.

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

You must be heartbroken?

Or just ended a chapter and a new coming ?

Well, I thought I'd found my person. That I'd found a girl that I could really love on all levels. I trusted her.

She then left, telling me she's going to Sisaket and would be back shortly. Since her mother had a birthday and she had to vote. For two days she pretended to be in Sisaket, when she wasn't. Then she came clean. She was in Chonburi. Supposedly. I still don't know if that's true. If she's in Pattaya, Bangkok or Phuket, or God knows where. Anything is possible.

She talked about getting a condo in Chonburi and of us living there. So it's possible she really is in Chonburi. However, she refuses to send a video of her room with her aunt. She refuses to send a location share. She refuses to do video calls or phone calls. She doesn't update me by text at all.

She basically disappears all day and then texts in the afternoon and night time. The fact she was texting a lot, all night, yesterday could mean she's not with a guy. But I have no idea. Her refusal to do phone calls and video calls above all, and her refusal to send a video of her room, really have my Spidey senses on maximum alert level flashing like crazy.

When she then told me yesterday that she would NOT be coming back to Chiang Mai this week, as she said she would the days before, because supposedly she wanted to earn a lot of money to go to Phuket for her birthday, meaning that we'd have to be apart for 6 weeks I realised something was very wrong.

That could never work, already now she's not texting or updating me, she's not doing phone calls or video calls. So to go long distance with someone like this would basically be impossible. In addition she's insisting on this story that she's with her aunt, but she's refusing to send a single pic of her aunt, with whom she sleeps in the same room or a video.The only photos she sent were carefully curated to just show her face in close up.

It's not clear if she's really doing something underhand. In theory it's possible she's just too embarassed to show her room, doesn't want to show her aunt, can't share location. Yes, it's possible, it's all innocent. I think it's far more likely something underhand is going on, because she is not doing any phone calls. Whatsoever.

Since she's not doing anything I ask for, is not doing anything to give me comfort, clearly I have to draw a line. The last thing I want is to go to Chonburi and then find out she's in Bangkok, Phuket or Pattaya. So I needed some honesty from her, some info about her whereabouts, but she refuses.

So yes, it's heartbreaking. But thankfully my heart already has a strong armour from numerous betrayals in SE Asia. Perhaps there will be a next chapter. Perhaps Phuket Girl will do something to prove what she said was true. But for now, it's time to reflect.

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

But for now, it's time to reflect.

...that, however it sounded, you understand that your apparently harshest critics were telling you the truth all along.

As Jack Nicholson expounded "You can't handle the truth!"

23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, I thought I'd found my person. That I'd found a girl that I could really love on all levels. I trusted her.

She then left, telling me she's going to Sisaket and would be back shortly. Since her mother had a birthday and she had to vote. For two days she pretended to be in Sisaket, when she wasn't. Then she came clean. She was in Chonburi. Supposedly. I still don't know if that's true. If she's in Pattaya, Bangkok or Phuket, or God knows where. Anything is possible.

She talked about getting a condo in Chonburi and of us living there. So it's possible she really is in Chonburi. However, she refuses to send a video of her room with her aunt. She refuses to send a location share. She refuses to do video calls or phone calls. She doesn't update me by text at all.

She basically disappears all day and then texts in the afternoon and night time. The fact she was texting a lot, all night, yesterday could mean she's not with a guy. But I have no idea. Her refusal to do phone calls and video calls above all, and her refusal to send a video of her room, really have my Spidey senses on maximum alert level flashing like crazy.

When she then told me yesterday that she would NOT be coming back to Chiang Mai this week, as she said she would the days before, because supposedly she wanted to earn a lot of money to go to Phuket for her birthday, meaning that we'd have to be apart for 6 weeks I realised something was very wrong.

That could never work, already now she's not texting or updating me, she's not doing phone calls or video calls. So to go long distance with someone like this would basically be impossible. In addition she's insisting on this story that she's with her aunt, but she's refusing to send a single pic of her aunt, with whom she sleeps in the same room or a video.The only photos she sent were carefully curated to just show her face in close up.

It's not clear if she's really doing something underhand. In theory it's possible she's just too embarassed to show her room, doesn't want to show her aunt, can't share location. Yes, it's possible, it's all innocent. I think it's far more likely something underhand is going on, because she is not doing any phone calls. Whatsoever.

Since she's not doing anything I ask for, is not doing anything to give me comfort, clearly I have to draw a line. The last thing I want is to go to Chonburi and then find out she's in Bangkok, Phuket or Pattaya. So I needed some honesty from her, some info about her whereabouts, but she refuses.

So yes, it's heartbreaking. But thankfully my heart already has a strong armour from numerous betrayals in SE Asia. Perhaps there will be a next chapter. Perhaps Phuket Girl will do something to prove what she said was true. But for now, it's time to reflect.

How does this make your feelings against the other sex? Unchanged or another needle in the coffin?

My question to you, was this really a real betrayal from her side, or was it more a self betrayal?

BS.

It's not over. Cameroni is still breathing.

23 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How does this make your feelings against the other sex? Unchanged or another needle in the coffin?

Well, as we both know, initially Phuket Girl played an "I'm very honest" game. She said things that made her appear as if she were exceptionally honest.

As time went by cracks in her honesty armour appeared. The 3 guys she claimed turned out to be 5. And now, it's clear she pretended she was in Sisaket for 2 days, when she was in, possibly, Chonburi. Her claim to go to Sisaket to vote was also false. She was buying time, as I'd insisted she come back after the birthday and she'd already planned a longer absence. So she was buying time by talking about voting.

Generally, it's expected that women come with chaos, that they lie, test, and do the unexpected. So that's nothing new. What was new here, is the way Phuket Girl came across as "honest" at first by making statements that were unpleasant on purpose. Ultimately it looks like she too was not fully honest, perhaps not as much of a liar as BkK girl, but enough to give cause for concern.

On the positive side, Phuket Girl reaffirmed how wonderful it is to be with the other sex, when they are fully in their feminine, fully attracted to you, and giving freely in terms of warmth, loving touch, sexuality and the like. Perhaps this was a function of her 24 years, or just peculiar to her character. But she certainly proved that being with her is better than being without her. So in a way she lifted my belief that being with a woman is the right thing to do. However, she came with the usual dose of female insanity and chaos and lies.

43 minutes ago, Hummin said:

My question to you, was this really a real betrayal from her side, or was it more a self betrayal?

It may be a bit early to talk of "betrayal". Yes, she lied about voting in Sisaket, lied about being there when she was in Chonburi. However, if she were now to send a video, some photos, some evidence that she is in Chonburi with her aunt, obviously that could change things.

In any event, when she was here, she talked about marriage, going to Europe with me, she asked me to come with her to Sisaket to meet the parents, she did make me believe that she wanted a long term relationship. Not just by her attraction level, sex and touch, and doing things, but also by the things she said. So I don't think it was "self betrayal". I think we had a clear connection. However, my writing to the Ex clearly degraded that. This may have contributed to her decision to go to Sisaket/Chonburi. She may want to try, not lose me, but equally my shining armour has received some cracks in the last few days in her eyes. She can't be bothered to call, to update, to do things I ask. So clearly things have changed a bit now, to where they were a week ago.

So the problem is we are both in a position where we're ready to walk away, and think the juice may not be worth the squeeze, even though it's good juice. There's a lot of pulp in this juice, so to speak.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Well, I thought I'd found my person.

You did....and you obviously are conflicted about what you found. She is you and you are she. You are both hedging your bets. You are both as honest and truthful as you allow yourselves to be. You are both insecure. You want it on your terms, she wants it on her terms. I could go on and on...

Can you handle it? It doesn't look like it.

She just texted me that she can't send a video of her room and the aunt, because the aunt went to work.

Which is rather odd, since I'd sent the request yesterday night and she read it early this morning.

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You want it on your terms, she wants it on her terms.

Yes, that's undoubtedly true. She clearly decided to go to Chonburi city or Pattaya because she feels she wants to make a lot of money to celebrate her birthday in Phuket in late February. She obviously decided that I wasn't giving her enough money, that she could make more on her own. Which she probably can't. Unless she really is an escort or bargirl which is 95% certainly not the case.

I want her here, doing her girlfriend thing, but she believes she must do her earning money thing. That's the issue really. Unless I send her 30,000 or 50000 baht she's going to get some kind of job.

Who are those big lips massaging now?

29 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, as we both know, initially Phuket Girl played an "I'm very honest" game. She said things that made her appaer as if she were exceptionally honest.

The most important, where you honest towards her and you ?

Let’s play this out, even I have a strong feeling you made up everything from the very beginning inspired by countless of stories from others, and a mix of your own experiences. It really doesnt matter, but what gives it away, is your intelligence, your language and your memory. You are not stupid, far from, but you have some treats of disappointment and also been betrayed before at least once, maybe more.

Let’s starts from the beginning, shall we?

This started as a game where you could play out a scenario for us here at the forum, and I believe you met a girl, and you guys hang out together, but you quickly became bored, and did let your fantasy evolve as you went.

Sounds plausible?

From my own experience I know we all get carried away, talking about future scenarios, but different from earlier experiences with Asian lady, this time we actually did what we talked about the very first week together, even the next step took 6 months. well we did the the first part we talked about, backpacking for a month together, and another 3 months and another 3 months before we actually was together.

The farm took, 4 years before started, and that was purely because of covid and by coincidence the right timing. Marriage 6 years, and now pushing 10.

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The most important, where you honest towards her and you ?

Let’s play this out, even I have a strong feeling you made up everything from the very beginning inspired by countless of stories from others, and a mix of your own experiences. It really doesnt matter, but what gives it away, is your intelligence, your language and your memory. You are not stupid, far from, but you have some treats of disappointment and also been betrayed before at least once, maybe more.

Let’s starts from the beginning, shall we?

This started as a game where you could play out a scenario for us here at the forum, and I believe you met a girl, and you guys hang out together, but you quickly became bored, and did let your fantasy evolve as you went.

Sounds plausible?

From my own experience I know we all get carried away, talking about future scenarios, but different from earlier experiences with Asian lady, this time we actually did what we talked about the very first week together, even the next step took 6 months. well we did the the first part we talked about, backpacking for a month together, and another 3 months and another 3 months before we actually was together.

The farm took, 4 years before started, and that was purely because of covid and by coincidence the right timing. Marriage 6 years, and now pushing 10.

Have I missed the point of this post??

It appears that you are accusing the OP of lying all along and then you moved on to tell him of the circumstances of your 'wonderful' relationship. Nice...but why?

Bring the Filipina virgin over.

That should be good for another hundred pages.

39 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, that's undoubtedly true. She clearly decided to go to Chonburi city or Pattaya because she feels she wants to make a lot of money to celebrate her birthday in Phuket in late February. She obviously decided that I wasn't giving her enough money, that she could make more on her own. Which she probably can't. Unless she really is an escort or bargirl which is 95% certainly not the case.

I want her here, doing her girlfriend thing, but she believes she must do her earning money thing. That's the issue really. Unless I send her 30,000 or 50000 baht she's going to get some kind of job.

I think when you write things like this, people are apt to doubt your credibility.

Please understand one thing if nothing else...her behaviour has NOTHING to do with you. Nothing AT ALL. Once you have made the choice to do what you have done(both yourself and her), it is much easier to cross that line again. She is a freelancer, no matter which way that you try to paint it.

5 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Have I missed the point of this post??

It appears that you are accusing the OP of lying all along and then you moved on to tell him of the circumstances of your 'wonderful' relationship. Nice...but why?

We all make decisions based on earlier experiences and I do not say wonderful relationship anywhere, but seem you being triggered, by someone who says he is okay, and happy with what he got? We have discussed many times in this tread about taking things slow, learn each other to know, and see where it goes, and well transparency between both parts.

Cam checked all her messages on every available app, and then he go on and message BKK girl, and she finds out? Ring any bells?

18 minutes ago, Hummin said:

This started as a game where you could play out a scenario for us here at the forum, and I believe you met a girl, and you guys hang out together, but you quickly became bored, and did let your fantasy evolve as you went.

Sounds plausible?

No, bro. I did not get bored. Far from it. And nothing is made up. All 100 per cent true.

7 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Bring the Filipina virgin over.

That should be good for another hundred pages.

Talked to her on the phone yesterday. She 's still sweet and obliging. Told me she's still only slept with me. To send her some clothes.

But it's too early for that. I'll wait to see how Phuket Girl unravels.

Just now, Hummin said:

We all make decisions based on earlier experiences and I do not say wonderful relationship anywhere, but seem you being triggered, by someone who says he is okay, and happy with what he got? We have discussed many times in this tread about taking things slow, learn each other to know, and see where it goes, and well transparency between both parts.

Cam checked all her messages on every available app, and then he go on and message BKK girl, and she finds out? Ring any bells?

I simply asked you what your accusing him of lying was meant to achieve, followed by your gloating about your own 'relationship'.

I have no reason to be upset that you are happy with your situation. Especially as such a situation would not be for me.

I don't feel the need to attach myself to a cart nor to be attached to one by someone else. If you are happy with such a situation, that's great. Not for me, thank you.

He doesn't want to take things slow, he wants sex with a young and pliable woman. He's okay with paying for it, but she wants more than he can afford.

Just now, Cameroni said:

No, bro. I did not get bored. Far from it. And nothing is made up. All 100 per cent true.

Okay, thats something,

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I simply asked you what your accusing him of lying was meant to achieve, followed by your gloating about your own 'relationship'.

I have no reason to be upset that you are happy with your situation. Especially as such a situation would not be for me.

I don't feel the need to attach myself to a cart nor to be attached to one by someone else. If you are happy with such a situation, that's great. Not for me, thank you.

He doesn't want to take things slow, he wants sex with a young and pliable woman. He's okay with paying for it, but she wants more than he can afford.

Here you attack me and then explain your way of doing things

Honorable I have to give you applause for that one ☝️

26 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The most important, where you honest towards her and you ?

Is this accusing someone of lying ?

@FrankieGoesToHolly

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Okay, thats something,

Here you attack me and then explain your way of doing things

Honorable I have to give you applause for that one ☝️

You receive what you give out. No one attacked you. You tell from your perspective and I tell from mine. For you, only your perspective is the correct one. Otherwise it's lying or trolling or...

I accept people are different and give Cameroni respect for telling his story and you respect for creating a stable existence for yourself. It's only you who cannot accept another's perspective if it doesn't tally with your own.

7 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You receive what you give out. No one attacked you. You tell from your perspective and I tell from mine. For you, only your perspective is the correct one. Otherwise it's lying or trolling or...

I accept people are different and give Cameroni respect for telling his story and you respect for creating a stable existence for yourself. It's only you who cannot accept another's perspective if it doesn't tally with your own.

Thank you and again good luck with your life :D

I can accept that

26 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Talked to her on the phone yesterday. She 's still sweet and obliging. Told me she's still only slept with me. To send her some clothes.

But it's too early for that. I'll wait to see how Phuket Girl unravels.

It's already unravelled...you just are not ready to accept her terms. What next? That you offer her 50k to go back to you? You already crossed the line, now it's just a question of "How much?"

You both already sold yourselves out. Money is your god now.

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

It's not clear if she's really doing something underhand. In theory it's possible she's just ...

Seriously? After 173 pages?