10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

This is all true of course, but I don't see the issue with asking for some evidence about things she's said and claimed. Like she worked in X cafe. If that's the case, let me see the menu to verify it.

Of course I still want to know if she's telling the truth or not. It's a rather important detail! Only on that basis can you decided if you just enjoy her company as a f-buddy or if she's suitable for a long term position.

You can't pretend it doesn't matter.

There's a lot to be said for that, but see above. The truth matters. Only on the basis of the truth can you decide if she's just f-buddy material or can be a long term gf.

So unfortunately I really need to know the truth.

I will definitely get her to do certain tests if she comes back.

You are an idiot 😊 Stop looking for the perfect woman and work with what you have. You'll feel worse if you don't see her again and then you'll blame yourself for pushing her away with your ridiculous jealousy.

No normal twenty four year old is going to hook up with you. She has issues. Stop thinking that you are her saviour and only if she would confess, everything would be okay. You are just ridiculously full of yourself and terribly insecure at the same time.

Leave it alone! Change tack COMPLETELY. Focus on nice things, enjoy the time and take your time to decide if you can afford to go all in. Get to know the real woman, you idiot. 😊 Rather than your childish fantasy. Stop trying to trip her up. She obviously doesn't want to tell you now. Let it go or let her go.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Well, I suspect she's lying. Again, all the arrows point that way and it seems the most likely explanation. However, I don't actually know if that's the case, I don't know if she had sex with another guy already or is just acting stupid.

The full facts are not known. There are a lot of alternative, innocent explanations for some of the things that are raising suspicions here, and the truth of the matter is that there is no evidence of an concrete kind that she's with another guy, or even lying.

It could all be true!

She could have registered to vote in Chon Buri! She could be working in a cafe. All these things could well be true.

Read what I just said above. You surely know what giving the benefit of the doubt means.

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Stop looking for the perfect woman and work with what you have.

I'm not looking for a perfect woman, she's not perfect by far. And I'm working with what she's throwing my way. But I'm not clear if those are just smoke screens or truth bombs. I don't even know what I'm dealing with right now.

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You'll feel worse if you don't see her again

Sure, of course I'd love to see her again.

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

then you'll blame yourself for pushing her away with your ridiculous jealousy.

I don't think jealousy in this scenario is "ridiculous", there is a real possibility she is banging another guy the last few days. It may not be the case. But it is rather crucial to know this detail. If I blame myself then only for talking to the ex stupidly.

4 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Grt to know the real woman, you idiot.

I am trying to know the real woman. However, to do that I need to verify that what she says is true or a lie.

She is not here. So the only things to go on is what she texts.

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, we were in a mutual committed relationship. And that was clearly what she wanted. Unfortunately, I texted other girls, stupidly, so there was a rupture, and she left and probably decided to start a new life in Chonburi without me. Now, as happens with feelings, she reconsidered, and decided that maybe it's worth trying again, especially after working hard in a cafe for 300 baht a day. But she's obviously not convinced, her interest is low, because of what happened. Me asking for a lot of evidence and essentially calling her a liar is obviously not raising her interest.

Now, she is free to do what she wants, clearly, but what she does affects what I decide. If she banged another dude already, clearly I'm out. However, if she didn't and is just acting stupid, then whilst that's annoying, it can be forgiven and sorted out.

Whether she's hiding or not is not clear. She just agreed to send the menu, and let's see if she sends it or not.

I agree that she should look forward to seeing me, but there could be that lower interest due to my texting others. And I agree she should be open about her whereabouts, but that could be a test, she could be with girlfriends in Pattaya, there could be a lot of innocent explanations for it as well. Though obviously my main suspicion is that she's with another guy,.

You really are writing a load...

You run your relationships like equations or if you are at work.

Don't DECIDE anything. Just be nice. It's your EGO that is hurting you. You built yourself up thinking that you were the stud of the moment and the thought of someone else substituted in your place is killing you.

You think the worst and so you behave in the worst way. She might be working, but she may also have seen you as a potential long term partner. Both can be true and she might still be 'decent'. Not to me, but you already crossed a line picking up twenty four year old women and coercing them with money. Please stop expecting the perfect angel, you twit. She's going to have baggage. Make her examine her conscience and her life by showing her that life with you is better than lying and hiding.

So get back to being fun. Drop the requirement for proof for right now. it won't change anything other than to pile more pressure on her.

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Not to me, but you already crossed a line picking up twenty four year old women and coercing them with money.

You're talking total nonsense. Nobody is being coerced. Certainly not with money.

1 minute ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Please stop expecting the perfect angel,

I'm not expecting an angel. But I do expect the truth. If she's not being truthful it's really not possible to have a real relationship. Or at least admits to lying. Or gives evidence of telling the truth.

It's of paramount importance.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

You're talking total nonsense. Nobody is being coerced. Certainly not with money.

I'm not expecting an angel. But I do expect the truth. If she's not being truthful it's really not possible to have real relationship. Or at least admits to lying. Or gives evidence of telling the truth.

It's of paramount importance.

You are just deluding yourself. Did she stay with you for free? She did not. You had to pay her. I didn't need to pay anyone. How is that?

If that is a girlfriend to you, then that's quite sad. Learn how to attract people without flashing the cash.

Work on that with her. See how it goes.

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I didn't need to pay anyone

Well, you're very likeable.

Unfortunately for me I have read every single post throughout this “story” and initially I was very much for you rather than against. However, all I see now is someone who is totally self centered, thoroughly selfish and looking to control a pretty young Thai lady approaching her prime ( my opinion she’s a 6 going on 7 certainly not a 9 or a 3). Going through her phone, the multitude of questions about where she is what she’s doing, intending to go through her banking app ( disgusting behaviour) etc etc you’re like an annoying wasp. You tried to be the big player and you’ve been bitten. A girl like that doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near you and your controlling urges. Many on here have given you good advice and continue to do so, but you’re not listening. You choose to ignore it all because this is all about you. Now you are hurting, you’re panicking because the likelihood is she has found someone who will treat her a damn sight better than you do. I seriously hope she doesn’t come back, you Mr Cameroni don’t deserve her. You’re allegedly a grown man, experienced in the world so act like it.

4 minutes ago, Utalk2mutt said:

Now you are hurting, you’re panicking because the likelihood is she has found someone who will treat her a damn sight better than you do.

Nobody will treat her better than I did. She was treated like a Queen when she was here.

I'm not panicking in the slightest. If she's banging another guy, I already have 3 other girls lined up that will console me.And there will be more.

Obviously it would be regrettable as I do like her, but your post is digusting and obviously you've not understood a single thing.

I'm not trying to control her in the slightest. I'm trying to ascertain if she told the truth. Very different things. You're obviously being deliberately mendacious or just completely dishonest in your assessment. Like I said a disgusting post, dripping with stupidity and falsehoods.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, you're very likeable.

I don't think many people here think that...even though in real life I am. That's what matters. Again, listen to what your brothers are telling you. Let it go or let her go. If you want to know if she really loves you...don't give her money. Are you man enough?

2 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

If you want to know if she really loves you...don't give her money. Are you man enough?

I haven't given her the money she's asked for. On repeated occasions.

Besides, there is not a shred of doubt she loves me, after all I saw how hurt she was when she found out I was talking to other girls.

And despite everything she's still texting me and telling me she'll come back. Clearly she does love me.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Nobody will treat her better than I did. She was treated like a Queen when she was here.

I'm not panicking in the slightest. If she's banging another guy, I already have 3 other girls lined up that will console me.And there will be more.

Obviously it would be regrettable as I do like her, but your post is digusting and obviously you've not understood a single thing.

I'm not trying to control her in the slightest. I'm trying to ascertain if she told the truth. Very different things. You're obviously being deliberately mendacious or just completely dishonest in your assessment. Like I said a disgusting post.

Pathos...

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

I haven't given her the money she's asked for. On repeated occasions.

Besides, there is not a shred of doubt she loves me, after all I saw how hurt she was when she found out I was talking to other girls.

And despite everything she's still texting me and telling me she'll come back. Clearly she does love me.

Insecure egotist...

So what did you guys do together?

What do you two have in common except sex?

Every relationship needs a glue, and sorry to say quality top sex is not on the top 3 list, since good sex can come later in a quality relationship when both feeling secured.

Those wild sex animals is useally short lived, and not talking about prostitutes if someone would like to chime in it was for paid experience

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I haven't given her the money she's asked for. On repeated occasions.

Besides, there is not a shred of doubt she loves me, after all I saw how hurt she was when she found out I was talking to other girls.

And despite everything she's still texting me and telling me she'll come back. Clearly she does love me.

What, you mean like you are hurt by thinking that she's with someone else? Is that love or is that ego?

Think about it for a moment... the rollercoaster of emotions, is all yours. She already told you that she didn't want to be tied down. She already told you that she loves sex and money. Sure you confirmed that all men are dogs and so now she's just continuing along her path. You might be able to join her again, if you stop trying to be a controlling arse. Don't ruin it with your stupid ego and uncontrollable, emotions.

Let it go for now and just be nice. She's not your girlfriend. You just had a fling. Keep that and work on making it even better the next time. Give her something to miss, rather than clinging on to her like a crying baby.

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So what did you guys do together?

What do you two have in common except sex?

Every relationship needs a glue, and sorry to say quality top sex is not on the top 3 list, since good sex can come later in a quality relationship when both feeling secured.

Those wild sex animals is useally short lived, and not talking about prostitutes if someone would like to chime in it was for paid experience

I agree.

But @Cameroni is still basking in the glow of his own ego, than actually listening to the woman.

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Nobody will treat her better than I did. She was treated like a Queen when she was here.

You think the other old guys don't do the same? Are you an idiot? That's all they have. The young guys pay them no attention at all. They actually need to behave if they want a young and attractive guy. Did that not occur to you at all, Mr Egotist? 😊 That's why she had plastic surgery. Not confident in her looks, but can attract the old guys.

You aren't her dad. Just focus on improving yourself and the overall relationship. Bugging her about the truth isn't the way. We all know that she is lying. Count yourself licky that you have any interest at all. You aren't 'all that'.

4 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I agree.

But @Cameroni is still basking in the glow of his own ego, than actually listening to the woman.

I have to agree wild sex is addictive, and some girls is good at manipulating they are good girls, and would never do ,,,,,, ,,,,, ,,,, ,,,,, ,,,,,, and it is tempting to try it out, but it takes a few experiences before those tricks doesn't turn you on anymore if you are looking at something serious.

There is a time for everything! Even I still not believe the whole story 😉

It is okay to be sceptical about what you read and think, but honestly as said it doesn't matter, what cam describes, is real scenarios for somebody and maybe he is telling the truth.

I'm fine with it whatever it is. And I'm happy to say I'm so distanced from those previous experiences that I know look back at them with gratitude and being thankful for all of them.

Experiences makes life richer in all ways

38 minutes ago, Utalk2mutt said:

Unfortunately for me I have read every single post throughout this “story” and initially I was very much for you rather than against. However, all I see now is someone who is totally self centered, thoroughly selfish and looking to control a pretty young Thai lady approaching her prime ( my opinion she’s a 6 going on 7 certainly not a 9 or a 3). Going through her phone, the multitude of questions about where she is what she’s doing, intending to go through her banking app ( disgusting behaviour) etc etc you’re like an annoying wasp. You tried to be the big player and you’ve been bitten. A girl like that doesn’t deserve to be anywhere near you and your controlling urges. Many on here have given you good advice and continue to do so, but you’re not listening. You choose to ignore it all because this is all about you. Now you are hurting, you’re panicking because the likelihood is she has found someone who will treat her a damn sight better than you do. I seriously hope she doesn’t come back, you Mr Cameroni don’t deserve her. You’re allegedly a grown man, experienced in the world so act like it.

Very well said, The guy is a control freak, Only deals with ladies that have no money so he can control them. Personally the whole thread is crap as he is a horrific lier, All made up and sucked everyone in.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I have to agree wild sex is addictive, and some girls is good at manipulating they are good girls, and would never do ,,,,,, ,,,,, ,,,, ,,,,, ,,,,,, and it is tempting to try it out, but it takes a few experiences before those tricks doesn't turn you on anymore if you are looking at something serious.

There is a time for everything! Even I still not believe the whole story 😉

It is okay to be sceptical about what you read and think, but honestly as said it doesn't matter, what cam describes, is real scenarios for somebody and maybe he is telling the truth.

I'm fine with it whatever it is. And I'm happy to say I'm so distanced from those previous experiences that I know look back at them with gratitude and being thankful for all of them.

Experiences makes life richer in all ways

No problems at all. We share our perspectives as honestly as possible. If someone chooses to deceive, eventually people will steer away from them and stick with the people who will tell you the truth no matter what. You don't need to be perfect, you just need to tell your truth and learn to accept criticism gracefully.

Look how 'harsh' I am with @Cameroni . Is it 'personal'? Absolutely. It's also absolutely not. The paradox.

Our job is to use the information to guide us. We all need each other, no matter what one might wish to believe. No man is an island...

@Cameroni is also learning as he goes along. No shame in that. The shame is thinking that you are the finished object, with nothing more left to learn.

On 1/14/2026 at 6:25 AM, fredwiggy said:

Reminds me of a good song all men need to listen to from The Steel Woods- The Secret..............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2xLW7ES7zU&t=59s

Second verse:

"And when it all fell apart, it was her lips I should’ve feared..."

7 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

No problems at all. We share our perspectives as honestly as possible. If someone chooses to deceive, eventually people will steer away from them and stick with the people who will tell you the truth no matter what. You don't need to be perfect, you just need to tell your truth and learn to accept criticism gracefully.

Look how 'harsh' I am with @Cameroni . Is it 'personal'? Absolutely. It's also absolutely not. The paradox.

Our job is to use the information to guide us. We all need each other, no matter what one might wish to believe. No man is an island...

@Cameroni is also learning as he goes along. No shame in that. The shame is thinking that you are the finished object, with nothing more left to learn.

The good thing when looking back, and all the stages that changed us, no doubt, and things will change in the future to, but you know you going to be okay in the end, so?

We all gonna die, one day

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

The good thing when looking back, and all the stages that changed us, no doubt, and things will change in the future to, but you know you going to be okay in the end, so?

We all gonna die, one day

It's how you live that matters.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I've repeatedly assured her that if she stops lying and just tells the truth I will just accept it and it will be fine. But she persists in lying, or rather in not providing what I ask for, I'm not really sure if she's lying now. But it sure looks that way.

Impossible to do when you're in an environment that is all lies, due to her not telling the truth.

It’s almost impossible to come clean if one is caught up in a whole web of lies, like you rightly think she is. Lies to others, lies to herself.  If she is with another guy you can be sure she is lying to him too. And not just him and you, but probably to her family and friends as well.

You remember the girl I mentioned who tried to get secretly married in Germany but also wanted to stay with me?  After the wedding trip she really came back visiting me and thought it just could go on like nothing happened. We had a  great couple of days together, but when she started to talk about the future – and she had it all figured out already, I put a stop to it. She only wanted to stay married until she got the citizenship, use the time in Germany to make a lot of money and afterwards wanted to be with me. Already planned the next trip to see me in a couple of months etc.  I told her that’s not an option for me, now she is married and she should take care about her husband and stay with him, he invested a lot of money, she should be fair and try to make the best out of this situation, try to make it work. I felt really sorry for the guy. So, I broke up, whatever this relationship was. Painful, because I liked her a lot. But on the other hand I’ve had plenty of other options involving much less trouble.

Later the evening I got a call from her best friend like “What did you do to her? She just sitting and crying all the time” I replied something like: “don’t you know she got just married in Germany? How can I be her boyfriend after this” and it turned out she did not tell anybody about this. Her friends did not even believe me at first.

Not implying your Phuket girl is on that level, but in general lying, withholding information, scheming, manipulating, ghosting etc. is not a good basis for any relationship. I’m sure you know that.

57 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So what did you guys do together?

What do you two have in common except sex?

A lot. We went to watch a falling star together. Celebrated New Year's together in bed with cocktails. Played Badminton. Went to the Flower festival. Went to markets. Sampled new restaurants. Visited a temple. Watched Netflix and chilled, we both liked Shameless. We both enjoyed talking for hours on the bed, just kissing and embracing passionately.

It was a wondeful 40 days.

But this whole notion that people have to be similar to be a happy couple, I think that's nonsense. Opposites enrich the other as well.

The good sex and physical warmth is the glue actually. Much better than Badminton.

7 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

told her that’s not an option for me, now she is married and she should take care about her husband

Absolutely the right thing to do. Respect.

8 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

Not implying your Phuket girl is on that level, but in general lying, withholding information, scheming, manipulating, ghosting etc. is not a good basis for any relationship. I’m sure you know that.

Well of course. Which is why I'm so hardcore about the truth being told in this scenario. Because I'm still hoping she's not banging another guy, and it's all innocent, though if I were a betting man I'd strongly bet against that.

Just like you had that connection with that girl, I think have the same with Phuket Girl. So I'm sure she will be back. The question is really if she played the field and used another guy, or if she is really just working in a cafe.

Since she is withholding the truth. Hardly texting. Not calling. Telling me not to come to Chonburi, all these things unfortunately point to the opposite, that she is doing me dirty. But I will find out.

Some sanctimonius fool said that checking her banking app is "disgusting". Actually that's the surefire way to find out where she was these last 10 days. If she wants to be with me she'll have to be transparent and open and disclose her phone info. And I will check the banking app. This is how criminals are caught, forensic accounting, and she acts like a criminal now, hiding the truth. So she'll have to convince me otherwise. If she wants a full time position. For just fun, of course, anytime. But if she wants me to take her seriously, she'll have to clarify what happened these last 10 days.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

A lot. We went to watch a falling star together. Celebrated New Year's together in bed with cocktails. Played Badminton. Went to the Flower festival. Went to markets. Sampled new restaurants. Visited a temple. Watched Netflix and chilled, we both liked Shameless. We both enjoyed talking for hours on the bed, just kissing and embracing passionately.

It was a wondeful 40 days.

But this whole notion that people have to be similar to be a happy couple, I think that's nonsense. Opposites enrich the other as well.

The good sex and physical warmth is the glue actually. Much better than Badminton.

The real reason people stay together is trust, loyalty and communication. From those there is sex and everything else. Any animal on earth can have sex, and thus the problems from it.

Most everyone, myself included, has made bad choices in partners because of lust. That doesn't make any relationship last, unless of course it's all you want. The physical is always good if there are two like minded partners that communicate well, have shared interests as well as their own, and are above all honest to each other.

Opposites might attract, but they don't stay long comfortable. Touch is definitely important but it comes from the other things.

The "fool" that said checking her bank account was disgusting was spot on. That shows you need proof instead of just trusting her, which anyone would resent. If you have trust, there is no need to check anything about anyone. If there is no trust, there is no relationship, period. Treating your partner like she's a criminal will have you all alone. No one wants to be checked up on. Ask yourself how you would fell if she did this to you. She doesn't have to convince you of anything. if you don't trust her, let her go. She will leave eventually anyway if that's how you act. A relationship based on checking up on each other and lying is doomed from the start.

53 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You think the other old guys don't do the same?

They don't. Phuket Girl herself was in bed with me when she told me how much better I treat her than anyone else before. Remarked that she just has to say she'd like to do something and I take her there.

It wasn't just that. I tried to anticipate what she might like and provide it before she even asked for it. She loved her time here. What she hated was me talking to other girls. That made her think I'm just a player, can't be trusted, and she's better off running away. So that's what she did.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

The "fool" that said checking her bank account was disgusting was spot on.

No he was spouting nonense, as you are now. "Just trusting her"? Did you not get what happened these last 10 days? She has to clarify what she was up to exactly. If she was meeting some other guy, or even just entertaining some other guy, she is immediately disqualified. Then she is not decent and not to be trusted.

To know IF you can trust her, the truth has to be established. Obviously. Anyone who doesn't get that is just clueless.

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Treating your partner like she's a criminal will have you all alone. No one wants to be checked up on

Then she shouldn't have acted shady like a criminal these last 10 days. There have been several events that give real rise for concern, and she has to clarify what she did. The truth must come out. If she doesn't like it, too bad. I'm the last person that will be alone, like I said, I have 3 girls already lined up given this situation. She will be checked up on if she comes back.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Ask yourself how you would fell if she did this to you.

I don't need to. I already did. I also screwed up and lied. I was a criminal too. But I'm admitting it and willing to do the time, willing to re-establish trust and tell her the full truth. She needs to do the same. I don't like her checking my phone, but I would allow her so she can get comfortable again. if she cares for me, she'll do the same.

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

She doesn't have to convince you of anything.

Wrong. She very much does, if she wants a protracted, serious long term relationship with me. I'm not dealing with a liar nor someone who bangs other guys in those terms.

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

A lot. We went to watch a falling star together. Celebrated New Year's together in bed with cocktails. Played Badminton. Went to the Flower festival. Went to markets. Sampled new restaurants. Visited a temple. Watched Netflix and chilled, we both liked Shameless. We both enjoyed talking for hours on the bed, just kissing and embracing passionately.

It was a wondeful 40 days.

But this whole notion that people have to be similar to be a happy couple, I think that's nonsense. Opposites enrich the other as well.

The good sex and physical warmth is the glue actually. Much better than Badminton.

I have to agree, Much better than badminton 😁