3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

31 pages now, good job. Malcolm must be jealous.

Sure am.

Most of mine only go 20.

But I do have restrictions on me.

1 minute ago, MalcolmB said:

Sure am.

Most of mine only go 20.

But I do have restrictions on me.

Might I suggest you venture into the LB area of discussion. Should get an increase of German posters.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I had a long chat with her yesterday night.  She told me she will never lie to me. If she wants to talk to another guy she will tell me first. She also disclosed that she really did do a porno with her Thai ex, but just for private use, not commercially. Clearly her honesty is next level. From all she has said, her whole demeanour, I have no doubt she may be the most honest Thai girl alive today.

 

Obviously such honesty is a very positive quality. We should not underestimate this. It is very useful and necessary that a girl is honest. Very rare in Thailand.

 

From a physical standpoint, she is also very qualified, white skin, nice legs, pretty face, thick long hair. Her character generally seems attractive, unpredictable, fun, intellligent, and somehow very centred within herself. An interesting person.

 

So what is my problem? There are several rather major problems, unfortunately:

 

1 She has indicated she wants to retain her freedom. So this indicates she has great experience with men. Men in the past would have put limitations on her, as men do in all relationships. And she has now reached a point where she does not want this anymore, she values her freedom more. This means that her agreeableness will be low. The odds are she will be a very strong character tthat will argue a lot, not follow a man easily.

 

2 So she may be honest, but will be difficult. She says she has already been with 7 men, but was disappoined how they all lied to her. Another indication her agreeableness will be low, she may be jaded already with men but it also means seven men let her go. Why? There may be something wrong with her character and behaviour. Why would 7 men let her go? Probably because she is very diffiult and not agreeable.

 

3. Her insta is full of men, and I do mean only men. About 100 or so too, so this is not just a collection of thousands she doesn't talk to. She already admitted she talks to one other Russian. She probably talks to 6 other guys at least regularly.She says she will honestly tell me if she talks to other guys, but she may do it in secret. And if she openly tells me she talks to other guys I would have to throw her out anyway.

 

4. She has a lot of rules - She tends to demand certain things strongly, and does not deviate from those things much. Though she has now reduced her demands to 11000 baht cash and 9000 in shopping. It seems she has a boss bitch gene that makes her very demanding.. Again, this would make it difficult to deal with her, and it further fits the analysis that she is not very agreeable. I can see her going silent easy and quickly.If things don't go her way.

 

5. She is exceptionally focused on money - She has said she wants to be rich. She has made exorbitant financial demands. She will try to extract shopping without mercy. As soon as I do not give her money she will be gone very fast. She is most definitely not interest in me, she is interested in cash. So whilst I could grow on her with my charming personality, it is cash that will rule her world.

 

Now she is a most interesting proposition. Highly attractive and unusually honest. Sparkling character. But difficult, hard to manage, likely to cheat, probably will be unfatihful in due course, either because she wants to talk to another guy or she wants more money and unhealthily obsessed with money generally. 

 

So these are my prblems and they are serious problems, not matter how you look at it.

 

And it's not just her. Let's say she comes and it likes it here. She will stay for 2 months. That would mean  I would lose CM and BKK girl for sure, as they would figure out someone is living with me now. And they may be better prospects than Phuket girl. BKK is far more beautiful still and we built a strong rapport over 2 years plus now. CM speaks far better English and comes from a much better family and is not money focusd at all it seems. So I also have to way up losing these two in favour of her. Would it be really worth it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Nothing wrong with wanting her freedom but why? Does she mistrust all men although she's attracted to them? That's normal for a women who's been used. This can mean unrealistic expectations, where no man will ever match her fantasy.

 

2. All 7 men could definitely have lied to her, seeing this is a country where lying is considered normal, and where men think they somehow deserve anything they want, being a misogynist Buddhist country. Going from one to the next is the norm here, responsibility being a non thing, especially after a child is born.All 7 could have also let her go because she either didn't give in to their demands, or she could be hard to get along with.

 

3. Many men on her instagram means she likes attention, even if she never gives into them because of those trust issues. Feeding her ego because she's a narcissist or has low self esteem, and needs that admiration. Needing attention can also mean she never got any in childhood, especially from her father.

 

4. Too many demands, especially regarding money, has her thinking she somehow thinks she deserves the money, thinking she's pretty enough to deserve as much as she can get. She might want money before she gives in, or get money without ever giving in, because she's been burned before and money means more than intimacy, as many here get money from foreigners they'll never meet.

 

5. If she wants to be rich, she needs to work to earn it,  either a legitimate job, or selling herself, or asking for money from foreigners she never intends to meet, as before.

 

All these things means a difficult woman, either from her own making, or from her past, or both. Again, there are millions here, so why waste time in confusion? Sometimes it takes time to rid yourself of toxic people, because many come in a beautiful smile and body.

 

The best way to see what a girl is , is to see her relationship with her dad. Sometimes that's impossible, as she might live far away from him, or he may have already passed, so you don't know about it until she talks about him. A woman's relationship with her dad is the best way to see if she's damaged goods or knows how to relate to a man. 

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

Might I suggest you venture into the LB area of discussion. Should get an increase of German posters.

Funny you mention that. Last night,,, ah, never mind.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Does she mistrust all men although she's attracted to them?

Oh Fred, you still don’t get it do you

 

She mistrusts men because of her brain.

That doesn’t mean that when she sees real men like me walk pasts that she doesn’t get a bit moist.

It is nature. 
 

Honestly, all these books you have claimed to have read were probably written by men with little or no experience with women.

Dont believe everything you read, they are just trying to make money selling books to the not so bright.

 

I think you have been conned again.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Sometimes it takes time to rid yourself of toxic people, because many come in a beautiful smile and body. 

I have came in a few beautiful smiles. 

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Malcolm, that you actually reply to anyone here who's had a normal relationship with a women, all the while being someone who buys hookers,

Much cheaper than being divorced three times with a 100% marriage failure rate.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I've had more experience with normal women before I hit 20 than you'll ever have. 

Only a weak man hits women.

 

Unless they deserve it of course, but those incidents are rare

Just now, MalcolmB said:

Only a weak man hits women.

 

Unless they deserve it of course, but those incidents are rare

Again you can't comprehend the written word. Before you comment, don't, as it makes you look worse with every reply. And anyone who hits a woman is a coward, who is afraid of men so takes his anger out on the weaker ones, at least until a strong woman gets even. 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

men want a relationship with one, and take care of them

You sound a bit needy.

Probably stems back to mummy issues. 

Just now, MalcolmB said:

You sound a bit needy.

Probably stems back to mummy issues. 

Assumption again. I learned how to provide from my dad, and how to love and care from both. Guess you missed those lessons. Try to keep up, as you keep forgetting what people here say. 

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

Assumption again. I learned how to provide from my dad, and how to love and care from both. Guess you missed those lessons. Try to keep up, as you keep forgetting what people here say. 

With three failed marriages and three broken homes it sounds like a case of the blind leading the blind.

Just now, MalcolmB said:

With three failed marriages and three broken homes it sounds like a case of the blind leading the blind.

You might want to direct your anger elsewhere, as most marriages fail and you aren't going after those people. Plenty here are divorced more than one or two times. Try being married, and actually having children, before you comment, You have no experience in a family, besides the lies and misogyny you learned from your own. But keep replying, as you show your real self with every topic.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

You might want to direct your anger elsewhere, as most marriages fail and you aren't going after those people.

No anger Fred.

Just pity for your three ex wives and single parent kids.

When I do get married I promise you she will never leave because I will fulfill her sexual needs.

That is why most women leave, and they go looking for it elsewhere. 

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You might want to direct your anger elsewhere, as most marriages fail and you aren't going after those people. Plenty here are divorced more than one or two times. Try being married, and actually having children, before you comment, You have no experience in a family, besides the lies and misogyny you learned from your own. But keep replying, as you show your real self with every topic.

You really have to stop wearing your emotions on your sleeve. This is all just fun here.

35 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

No anger Fred.

Just pity for your three ex wives and single parent kids.

When I do get married I promise you she will never leave because I will fulfill her sexual needs.

That is why most women leave, and they go looking for it elsewhere. 

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Most women leave because they aren't being listened to, respected or neglected. Nothing to do with sex. Sex is one indication how the relationship is going, although many like sex and will have it even if they don't necessarily like their partner. Again, you need to have had a normal relationship before you guess how one goes. 

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You really have to stop wearing your emotions on your sleeve. This is all just fun here.

Disrespect and exaggerations come from people who have no experience in reality. People who hear what others say and twist things around aren't normal. A family is the most important thing anyone has, and making fun of it or degrading it with lies shows a severe lack of restraint and unstable thinking. Especially when it's done over and over. It isn't fun making fun of a family man, especially when you have no idea what one is. Nothing wrong with having fun but not when it's done to put down the role of a man, and more so when you haven't a clue to what one is. 

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

. A family is the most important thing anyone has, and making fun of it or degrading it with lies shows a severe lack of restraint and unstable thinking.

Yes it is sacred.

Not something to just disregard over and over again.

I would be ashamed too.

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Nothing to do with sex.

You really need to learn from your mistakes or you will just keep making the same mistakes over and over again.

14 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

Yes it is sacred.

Not something to just disregard over and over again.

I would be ashamed too.

Malcolm. Try to use your memory and look back what I've said , to you, all along, so we don't need to keep going over and over the same things.

 

I have never had anything to hide, as I, again, treated all the women in my life very well. I don't cheat, abuse or neglect them or my children. That I got custody of all of them, and will take this one to the US, should have you think why.

 

I'm a good partner and parent. Do you not realize that some women lie, cheat , abuse and neglect, and some have depression and other mental issues that ruin relationships?

 

I'm here for my daughter until we will move. That isn't disregarding. I fought for, and received custody of my other children because I was the only stable parent they had, and that again, isn't disregarding.

 

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Posts containing personal attacks against a member were removed. @fredwiggy, please debate the topic and do not use it as a pretext to denigrate other members. Thank you. 

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

1. Nothing wrong with wanting her freedom but why? Does she mistrust all men although she's attracted to them? That's normal for a women who's been used. This can mean unrealistic expectations, where no man will ever match her fantasy.

 

2. All 7 men could definitely have lied to her, seeing this is a country where lying is considered normal, and where men think they somehow deserve anything they want, being a misogynist Buddhist country. Going from one to the next is the norm here, responsibility being a non thing, especially after a child is born.All 7 could have also let her go because she either didn't give in to their demands, or she could be hard to get along with.

 

3. Many men on her instagram means she likes attention, even if she never gives into them because of those trust issues. Feeding her ego because she's a narcissist or has low self esteem, and needs that admiration. Needing attention can also mean she never got any in childhood, especially from her father.

 

4. Too many demands, especially regarding money, has her thinking she somehow thinks she deserves the money, thinking she's pretty enough to deserve as much as she can get. She might want money before she gives in, or get money without ever giving in, because she's been burned before and money means more than intimacy, as many here get money from foreigners they'll never meet.

 

5. If she wants to be rich, she needs to work to earn it,  either a legitimate job, or selling herself, or asking for money from foreigners she never intends to meet, as before.

 

All these things means a difficult woman, either from her own making, or from her past, or both. Again, there are millions here, so why waste time in confusion? Sometimes it takes time to rid yourself of toxic people, because many come in a beautiful smile and body.

 

The best way to see what a girl is , is to see her relationship with her dad. Sometimes that's impossible, as she might live far away from him, or he may have already passed, so you don't know about it until she talks about him. A woman's relationship with her dad is the best way to see if she's damaged goods or knows how to relate to a man. 

 

Excellent points.

 

Regarding her family, there is some tension. Last time she went home she had an argument with her mother. She told me her mother always preferred her older sister, because as a bar girl she sent a lot of money to her mother. Quite sad.

 

That's another issue of  course, her sister is a bar girl. This will have normalised prostitution and taking money from men in her mind. Women talk, but sisters talk to the power of 100, so the stories her sister would have told her about men, could not have been good. She must see men in a very bad light. Not just from her own experiences, but from her sister's.

 

I can't believe I'm still tempted with Phuket girl. I suppose it's the porno, knowing she had low inhibitions to do a porno with her ex, that she's willing to have sex on camera, that she had at least 7 exes, is 26, she would be in prime sexual exploration time. And her sister being a whore makes it even easier for her to not have hangups with sex.

 

So I think sex would be great. Her honesty would be good, though a double edged sword. Her personality seems fun, her looks qualify. But she would be a dificult one. No doubt about it.

1 hour ago, MalcolmB said:

 

 

She mistrusts men because of her brain.

That doesn’t mean that when she sees real men like me walk pasts that she doesn’t get a bit moist.

It is nature.

 

You're not wrong, she has a brain on her shoulders. Strong will, strong mind.

 

And sexually she seems to be very much in tune with nature so to speak.

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

and will take this one to the US,

On the other side of the world to her mother.

Very selfish.

If I were to have children and in the unlikely case that it ended in a divorce I would do everything I could to make sure that both parents lived nearby to lessen the impact of a broken home.

 

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Regarding her family, there is some tension. Last time she went home she had an argument with her mother.

Is the mum still with the father?

Do the two girls have the same father? 
With the sister being a whore it is likely she comes from a broken home.

They don’t call it broken for nothing.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You're not wrong, she has a brain on her shoulders. Strong will, strong mind.

 

And sexually she seems to be very much in tune with nature so to speak.

Shame it looks like you are never going to find out. She obviously has bigger fish to fry.

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Excellent points.

 

Regarding her family, there is some tension. Last time she went home she had an argument with her mother. She told me her mother always preferred her older sister, because as a bar girl she sent a lot of money to her mother. Quite sad.

 

That's another issue of  course, her sister is a bar girl. This will have normalised prostitution and taking money from men in her mind. Women talk, but sisters talk to the power of 100, so the stories her sister would have told her about men, could not have been good. She must see men in a very bad light. Not just from her own experiences, but from her sister's.

 

I can't believe I'm still tempted with Phuket girl. I suppose it's the porno, knowing she had low inhibitions to do a porno with her ex, that she's willing to have sex on camera, that she had at least 7 exes, is 26, she would be in prime sexual exploration time. And her sister being a whore makes it even easier for her to not have hangups with sex.

 

So I think sex would be great. Her honesty would be good, though a double edged sword. Her personality seems fun, her looks qualify. But she would be a dificult one. No doubt about it.

True, many "parents" normalize prostitution here as they'll profit from pushing their children into the trade, a despicable act. They listen with open ears from friends who make more cash than they do, and are easily swayed because showing off here is a national pastime. Leads many decent women astray. You've said you have a decent family oriented women. That's where you should prioritize, especially is she's good looking.

3 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

 

 

Is the mum still with the father?

Do the two girls have the same father? 
With the sister being a whore it is likely she comes from a broken home.

They don’t call it broken for nothing.

 

She says the mother is still with the father. But from the photos she sent from the visit I dont' even see the father. Could be she's so smart she knows why I'm asking. But her story is the father and mother are still together, and the girls have the same father.

 

 

3 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

Shame it looks like you are never going to find out. She obviously has bigger fish to fry.

 

No, no, she's very much for the taking. She was negotiating very hard yesterday, writing a lot. She's clearly interested. Asking 11000 cash plus 9000 shopping.

 

I could handle 11000 plus 9000. One word from me and she's on a plane to CM this Friday.

 

Whilst I am still tempted, there's no glossing over the problems here though.

2 minutes ago, MalcolmB said:

On the other side of the world to her mother.

Very selfish.

If I were to have children and in the unlikely case that it ended in a divorce I would do everything I could to make sure that both parents lived nearby to lessen the impact of a broken home.

 

Is the mum still with the father?

Do the two girls have the same father? 
With the sister being a whore it is likely she comes from a broken home.

They don’t call it broken for nothing.

Selfish is leaving a child where she isn't wanted or best taken care of. A father puts his children where their best interests are served, and that doesn't have a location.

 

The US is a much better place for a girl by far than here, as anyone knows. That my English school owner, a 71 year old Thai man educated in America, says get your daughter to the US as soon as possible for a better life, tells the story better. He, along with three other English teachers here I've spoken to, knows what's here as does everyone else who has children. with many foreigners sending their children to the west for a better life, even if they stay in Thailand. No one has ever said Thailand is a better place for children than the west, especially if the child will be with a parent. 

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

True, many "parents" normalize prostitution here as they'll profit from pushing their children into the trade, a despicable act. They listen with open ears from friends who make more cash than they do, and are easily swayed because showing off here is a national pastime. Leads many decent women astray. You've said you have a decent family oriented women. That's where you should prioritize, especially is she's good looking.

 

Yes, her mother preferring her older sister, because she sends a lot of money from her bar girl prostitution is quite sad.

 

However, Phuket girl says she loves her family, above all, her family is the most important. She seems very family oriented. She also just visited her mother, clear proof of that. Told me, mum prefers my sister, but she never comes here, only sends money.