Russians are lovely girls, down for anything. I dated one a few weeks ago. Really nice girl as well. But oddly hardheaded.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

There is no "going rate". A woman will try to negotiate and tell you what she thinks she can get away with it. The same reason Phuket girl asks for 5000 baht to go out. She gets 10000 from her ex. So she thinks 5000 is reasonable.

 

Fact is a girl working in a factory makes 8000 to 12000 baht for a normal job. So the very vast majority of girls will accept 8000 happily for doing nothing. However, there are girls who earned 20000 in an office, very rare, girls who sell box who already have warped financial demands because of that. In fact I would be very wary if she's asking for a lot, if she not worked as a pro in the past.

 

There are some legit money girls who earned and command 50000 but those are very rare, and used up anyway.

 

That's not a girlfriend. That's a Freelancer/Mia noi.

1 minute ago, BatteringRam said:

 

That's not a girlfriend. That's a Freelancer/Mia noi.

 

Not really, even in the West women get "household" money from their husbands. Doesn't make them Mia Nois or Freelancers.

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not really, even in the West women get "household" money from their husbands. Doesn't make them Mia Nois or Freelancers.

 

I see you tried to slip in husbands, hoping no one would notice.

 

Are you married to the women to whom you pay 8,000 baht?

 

 

12 hours ago, BatteringRam said:

 

She went back to Russia. They are on holiday mostly.

 

She told you she was a med student.

How do you know she wasn't a pole dancer? 

 

4 hours ago, BatteringRam said:

Ask her if she wants to do the Shabu thing and if she brushes you off, accept it like a man.

 

By the way, I think this would be tactically unwise. If I were to contact her on Friday and ask her out for a Shabu date it would make me look desperate and it would be too much. I will play it differently.

 

I will tomorrow send a short message "Hey, I forgot to say, I will wait for you. Have a great time and enjoy your trip". Just so she knows I still exist and am serious about her. Then on Friday I will send a short message "How was your trip, are you back yet?". 

 

This way I can wait if she replies, with my dignity intact and don't have to overpower her with an immediate and desperate invite for a date as soon as she comes back. If she replies positively, THEN I will offer a date on the weekend. But not otherwise.

26 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

She told you she was a med student.

How do you know she wasn't a pole dancer? 

 

 

Not every Russian is a pole dancer or Pornstar., tsssk...

12 hours ago, BatteringRam said:

Are you married to the women to whom you pay 8,000 baht?

 

You've never had a gf in Thailand, so you don't know how it works.

Lucky for you, there's a lot of loose Russian girls who only stay a few months and move on so you can be a serial monogomist and never really have to worry too much about the complexities of a real long-term relationship.

And your Russian girlfriends enjoy your company, so McDonald's is good enough. You don't even need to pay much for decent meals. 

Nice setup. 

 

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

 

And your Russian girlfriends enjoy your company, so McDonald's is good enough. You don't even need to pay much for decent meals. 

Nice setup. 

 

 

He's very likeable.

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

He's very likeable.

 

This channel popped in my feeds.

This guy is going all in.

5 Million Baht house build, 30 year mortgage. 

Doesn't say if he is paying the entire mortgage, but no Cheap Charlie here.

He might be around 30 years old. 

Nice house and nice Thai wife he's got. 

 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

This channel popped in my feeds.

This guy is going all in.

5 Million Baht house build, 30 year mortgage. 

Doesn't say if he is paying the entire mortgage, but no Cheap Charlie here.

He might be around 30 years old. 

Nice house and nice Thai wife he's got. 

 

 

 

How is he able to build a house? All in his wife's name?

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

How is he able to build a house? All in his wife's name?

 

Yeah, watch the video.

He is feeling confident because he is not plunking down all the money at once.

It's a 30 year mortgage.

And he looks young. So there is no 30 year age gap with the woman. 

 

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

She told you she was a med student.

How do you know she wasn't a pole dancer? 

 

 

I'm still in touch with her. Chatted with her just yesterday. I know a lot already about her family, her relationship with her father etc

All this occurs without having to send her any money 😊

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

By the way, I think this would be tactically unwise. If I were to contact her on Friday and ask her out for a Shabu date it would make me look desperate and it would be too much. I will play it differently.

 

I will tomorrow send a short message "Hey, I forgot to say, I will wait for you. Have a great time and enjoy your trip". Just so she knows I still exist and am serious about her. Then on Friday I will send a short message "How was your trip, are you back yet?". 

 

This way I can wait if she replies, with my dignity intact and don't have to overpower her with an immediate and desperate invite for a date as soon as she comes back. If she replies positively, THEN I will offer a date on the weekend. But not otherwise.

 

Contrived. You've already lost your dignity.  "I will wait for you"? 😊 No, don't do that. Women say that to me and it feels weird.

I would say just be yourself, but it seems this is yourself. You are afraid to ask her now, because it would mean you would have to accept the truth right now if she declines. You aren't ready for that.

 

Please don't do anything so needy. If you want her to keep you in mind, just send a pic of you doing something. Eating some street food or something that will make her smile inside. Please don't write what you suggest. For the sake of men everywhere 😊

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, watch the video.

He is feeling confident because he is not plunking down all the money at once.

It's a 30 year mortgage.

And he looks young. So there is no 30 year age gap with the woman. 

 

 

Yes, it's a 100% mortgage in his wife's name. Sweet deal. So he didn't put any money down?

 

Young, yes, but the gf, I don't know, he could have done better.

36 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

You've never had a gf in Thailand, so you don't know how it works.

Lucky for you, there's a lot of loose Russian girls who only stay a few months and move on so you can be a serial monogomist and never really have to worry too much about the complexities of a real long-term relationship.

And your Russian girlfriends enjoy your company, so McDonald's is good enough. You don't even need to pay much for decent meals. 

Nice setup. 

 

 

When did I tell you that I haven't known Thai girls? Are you just making up little stories in your head in order to amuse yourself?

Didn't have to pay an allowance. That is just demeaning and in some cases, sordid. They had jobs.

12 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Young, yes, but the gf, I don't know, he could have done better.

 

she looks good to me.

attractive enough ... without looking lecherous. 

 

36 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

He's very likeable.

 

I would certainly hope so 😊

12 hours ago, BatteringRam said:

 

When did I tell you that I haven't known Thai girls? Are you just making up little stories in your head in order to amuse yourself?

Didn't have to pay an allowance. That is just demeaning and in some cases, sordid. They had jobs.

 

I was inferring. 

 

What funny, is the assumption that no girls could like any of you without being paid. You don't even have confidence in yourselves, so how do you expect any woman to respect you?

Just now, BatteringRam said:

 

Contrived. You've already lost your dignity.  "I will wait for you"? 😊 No, don't do that. Women say that to me and it feels weird.

I would say just be yourself, but it seems this is yourself. You are afraid to ask her now, because it would mean you would have to accept the truth right now if she declines. You aren't ready for that.

 

Please don't do anything so needy. If you want her to keep you in mind, just send a pic of you doing something. Eating some street food or something that will make her smile inside. Please don't write what you suggest. For the sake of men everywhere 😊

 

I'm not afraid to ask her at all. But this situation requires more subtelty. If I ask her as soon as she arrives back on Friday "Hey wanna go on a Shabu date" that's just overpowering her with neediness. There is absolutely no need to offer a date immediately. I will be able to gauge her receptiveness by whether she replies, and how she replies. If she doesn't reply at all, or does not reply positively, then there is no need to offer a date anyway, as she'd just decline it.

 

Fine, I'll write "I will wait for your return on Friday". This subtly hints that she should contact me on Friday.

 

I certainly will not request a date, unless she replies and replies positively. No need at all.

2 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

What funny, is the assumption that no girls could like any of you without being paid. You don't even have confidence in yourselves, so how do you expect any woman to respect you?

 

There's a fine line between "desperate" and "confident". To immediately ask her for a date the day she returns from holiday is a desperate move. Not a confident move.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I'm not afraid to ask her at all. But this situation requires more subtelty. If I ask her as soon as she arrives back on Friday "Hey wanna go on a Shabu date" that's just overpowering her with neediness. There is absolutely no need to offer a date immediately. I will be able to gauge her receptiveness by whether she replies, and how she replies. If she doesn't reply at all, or does not reply positively, then there is no need to offer a date anyway, as she'd just decline it.

 

Fine, I'll write "I will wait for your return on Friday". This subtly hints that she should contact me on Friday.

 

I certainly will not request a date, unless she replies and replies positively. No need at all.

 

Please don't. You aren't getting it. You are making it feel like a business meeting. DON'T do that.

Do not write any words. Stay interesting by being interesting. The problem is...that you might not be interesting. I know I can just send a clip of me doing stuff without even words and I'll get positive feedback. That creates a good feeling for you. Then a date is just to continue that good feeling. You writing, just sounds needy. Take it from me. 

3 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

Please don't. You aren't getting it. You are making it feel like a business meeting. DON'T do that.

Do not write any words. Stay interesting by being interesting. The problem is...that you might not be interesting. I know I can just send a clip of me doing stuff without even words and I'll get positive feedback. That creates a good feeling for you. Then a date is just to continue that good feeling. You writing, just sounds needy. Take it from me. 

 

That's certainly better than asking for a date outright in this situation, but I'm just concerned it would be too vague. I want to communicate to her that I am still interested in her, despite her going away, it does not affect my attraction to her, but I also want her to understand that if she comes back on Friday she has to contact ME. And she has to do that before she gets a date invite. If she doesn't her interest is just too low to hope for a yes on a date invite anyway.

 

Put it this way, if she doesn't engage with me, whilst she is on holiday, or at least when she is back on Friday, clearly she has no interest at all and offering a date is redundant.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

There's a fine line between "desperate" and "confident". To immediately as her for a date the day she returns from holiday is a desperate move. Not a confident move.

 

I didn't suggest doing it when she returns. I wrote, now. If she's interested, she'll say yes. Don't ask for this weekend, ask for any weekend upcoming. So you don't seem desperate. Say you haven't tried Shabu and you'd like her to show you. Then you have a date fixed for the future. Doesn't mean you cannot chat in the meantime. But this way, you are on pin and needles, just waiting...and becoming increasingly anxious. 

6 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

I didn't suggest doing it when she returns. I wrote, now. If she's interested, she'll say yes. Don't ask for this weekend, ask for any weekend upcoming. So you don't seem desperate. Say you haven't tried Shabu and you'd like her to show you. Then you have a date fixed for the future. Doesn't mean you cannot chat in the meantime. But this way, you are on pin and needles, just waiting...and becoming increasingly anxious. 

 

That's just crazy. You want me to ask her for a date for Saturday NOW??? When she's away on holiday and totally distracted by other things?? I really don't think Thai girls plan this far ahead in the best of cases, let alone when on a holiday distracted. They're more impulsive. Look, we don't even know if she might not be exhausted when she returns. Or if she even returns on Friday, could be Saturday or Sunday. I can't ask for a date now.

 

The Shabu thing is not bad though, she mentioned there was a major place from BKK that just opened in CM.

 

I have no problem waiting btw.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's just crazy. You want me to ask her for a date for Saturday NOW??? When she's away on holiday and totally distracted by other things?? I really don't think Thai girls plan this far ahead. They're more impulsive.

 

The Shabu thing is not bad though, she mentioned there was a major place from BKK that just opened in CM.

 

I have no problem waiting btw.

 

I think the problem with all of your dates is you being in them. i know that sounds harsh, but it's all so contrived.

If in the end, you will have to live with each other, you will have to be normal, in a sustainable way. They have to like you for you and not just the lifestyle you think you can provide. But you are so desperate to gain this trophy, that you are twisting yourself into knots over it. 

It is belongs to you, it will be yours no matter what you do.

5 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

I think the problem with all of your dates is you being in them. i know that sounds harsh, but it's all so contrived.

If in the end, you will have to live with each other, you will have to be normal, in a sustainable way. They have to like you for you and not just the lifestyle you think you can provide. But you are so desperate to gain this trophy, that you are twisting yourself into knots over it. 

It is belongs to you, it will be yours no matter what you do.

 

It is actually less forcing if I DON'T request a date for Saturday now. I will play it by ear, send a couple of careful texts tomorrow and Friday, and then see if she replies. If she replies then the tone of her reply will tell me whether I have a chance for a date invite to be accepted.

 

We've gone on 3 dates of course she doesn't "belong to me", you're going nutso now. She has some interest, at best, but is surveying her options in calm and looking where to jump.Like a cat playing a long game with a mouse. I am the mouse. Best case scenario, in reality there's probably five mice.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

It is actually less forcing if I DON'T request a date for Saturday now. I will play it by ear, send a couple of careful texts tomorrow and Friday, and then see if she replies. If she replies then the tone of her reply will tell me whether I have a chance for a date invite to be accepted.

 

We've gone on 3 dates of cousre she doesn't "belong to me", you're going nutso now.

 

We are on different wavelengths. I'll leave it at that. 

Just now, BatteringRam said:

 

We are on different wavelengths. I'll leave it at that. 

 

Thansk for your input anyway, it's been helpful.