59 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I have to say, it did trouble me that CM girl did not text in the warm and loving way in which she showed up on the dates. I mean she did warn me at dinner that she is usually considered a "cold" person and is not likely to write sweet loving things, but it's odd. Whenever other girls have shown high interest they would always write on insta in very effusive loving ways. Not CM girl. She didn't even bother to friend me on Insta, to look at my pics there, which again is highly unusual.

 

You always get the sense that she is guarded, withholding her love, except when she's with you. Then she makes you feel like the world could not be a better place. It's odd.

 

She told me her first boyfriend cheated on her 3 times. He cheated, she took him back. He did it again, she took him back. Then he did it a third time and she left. So maybe her own experience informs this behaviour. I know from my own experience how badly cheating can affect your trust generally.

 

Tis true .  Who knows what another person's life entails ?   If I had one (non monetary)  gift ..... it would be to be able to see an encapsulation , like a youtube video,  of someone from the time being a child to the present .  Only then could one get a real sense of what makes up each individual .   Let's face it,  getting info from an internet site ,  or even listening to someone tell their life story........ is often a bunch of fiction and heavily dependent on what they want to be seen as.

 

I tried to avoid getting into the long explanations (often very boring, especially to females)  of what i think and blah blah blah .   Short and simple is best , with some "groundrules"  usually laid out up front ... or after a few meetings.   Not necessary if just going to be a shag relationship . 

 

 i know you don't want to say anything that will potentially turn her off  , though,  trying too hard to please is actually a put off to these creatures.   

 

two questions before i head for the door :   1. does she text or use her phone when you are at the table eating ?    

2. what kind of car do you have ?  🈲️

 

 

16 minutes ago, rumak said:

Not CM girl. She didn't even bother to friend me on Insta, to look at my pics there, which again is highly unusual.

 

not a bad tactic .   i would assume she wants to stay away from the prying eyes of some other players .   just like disappearing posts . 

40 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

Tis true .  Who knows what another person's life entails ?   If I had one (non monetary)  gift ..... it would be to be able to see an encapsulation , like a youtube video,  of someone from the time being a child to the present .  Only then could one get a real sense of what makes up each individual .   Let's face it,  getting info from an internet site ,  or even listening to someone tell their life story........ is often a bunch of fiction and heavily dependent on what they want to be seen as.

 

I tried to avoid getting into the long explanations (often very boring, especially to females)  of what i think and blah blah blah .   Short and simple is best , with some "groundrules"  usually laid out up front ... or after a few meetings.   Not necessary if just going to be a shag relationship . 

 

 i know you don't want to say anything that will potentially turn her off  , though,  trying too hard to please is actually a put off to these creatures.   

 

two questions before i head for the door :   1. does she text or use her phone when you are at the table eating ?    

2. what kind of car do you have ?  🈲️

 

 

 

Yes, it's hard to gauge a person with little information. That wad of cash pic may just have been a joke, not her life philosophy. What really makes up the totality of her character is obviously still a mystery, though I liked a lot of what I saw. 

 

Even her taking care of her mother, shows she's a family person, traditional. I like it.

 

Of course I will lay down the ground rules IF I get the chance to be in a real relationship with her, for now we just went on 3 dates, it's a premature to lay down rules. She hasn't even made clear she's choosing me, though I made clear I am choosing her.

 

I will now make a hard effort to be less pliant with her, as I've gone pretty far already, more than i would normally go. I have a lot of options, but she must think I don't by the treatment she's got from me.

 

Well, we were at extremely fancy restaurants the atmossphere is not conducive to phone abuse. In the first date she did briefly make some pics, which sadly did not make it on her Insta highlight reel. She asked me as we went into the Meila "Which do you think is more luxurious The Marriot or the Melia". I guess the Melia didn't make the cut for her. Anyway, she did get a call from her mother, who remember is close to dying, so she took that call briefly but she did not use the phone a lot. Then in the second date at Palette she made a real effort to not use the phone, only once to take pics of the food, and this time that pic did make it into her highlight reel. I guess 137 Pillars has enough cachet even for her.

 

I drive a top of the line car with leather seats, keyless start, climate control, bluetooth, it's all good. The car is not my problem.

21 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

not a bad tactic .   i would assume she wants to stay away from the prying eyes of some other players .   just like disappearing posts . 

 

Well, I can still see all her highlights, followers, friends, likes...she hasn't really made everything private.

 

A bit hard to play it now. Still 3 days to go until Sunday. I want to text her, but equally I don't want to seem too eager now, that she's not agreeing to date 4 in a hurry.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

You want shame?  Go to church.

You want the poo-see?  You go to Thailand.

Going to church for the Thailand thing just doesn't cut it.

 

 

I don't  know,I feel very religious when I think of her.

 

Suddenly the creator makes sense.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, I can still see all her highlights, followers, friends, likes...she hasn't really made everything private.

 

A bit hard to play it now. Still 3 days to go until Sunday. I want to text her, but equally I don't want to seem too eager now, that she's not agreeing to date 4 in a hurry.

 

I wouldn't text her yet. If you appear too clingy and desperate, it will diminish her interest further, and you'll be out for good.

 

You should consider yourself a catch, not a pushover who's always available. 

 

Go and let off a bit of steam with one of your backups.

28 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I don't  know,I feel very religious when I think of her.

 

Suddenly the creator makes sense.

<unwarranted tirade of insults removed by Lightyear>

 

I suggest you stay at home and do some critical self assessment!

2 hours ago, Lightyear said:

 

I wouldn't text her yet. If you appear too clingy and desperate, it will diminish her interest further, and you'll be out for good.

 

You should consider yourself a catch, not a pushover who's always available. 

 

Go and let off a bit of steam with one of your backups.

 

Yah I thought the same. But I don't want to play games with her now. The truth is I want to have contact with her. In reality we can't know if she'd like it. Maybe she will think "not this guy again it's a but much" or maybe she'll think "I like how interested he is". We don't know. So the best I can do is to show the real me. And the real me wants to be in touch with her. If she doesn't like it, ok. It's not meant to be. But I don't want to play games now. 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yah I thought the same. But I don't want to play games with her now. The truth is I want to have contact with her. In reality we can't know if she'd like it. Maybe she will think "not this guy again it's a but much" or maybe she'll think "I like how interested he is". We don't know. So the best I can do is to show the real me. And the real me wants to be in touch with her. If she doesn't like it, ok. It's not meant to be. But I don't want to play games now. 

Playing it cool isn't playing games - it's simple psychology. People are repelled by things that aren't challenging or exclusive in some way. Conversely, they're attracted to things that seem rare and in demand. It's a fundamental facet of human behaviour. 

 

You've made your intentions obvious already, and she's withdrawn from you. If I were you, I'd wait for her to make the next move, or at least wait a good few days, and have some fun in the meantime to take your mind off it. 

5 minutes ago, Lightyear said:

Playing it cool isn't playing games - it's simple psychology. People are repelled by things that aren't challenging or exclusive in some way. Conversely, they're attracted to things that seem rare and in demand. It's a fundamental facet of human behaviour. 

 

You've made your intentions obvious already, and she's withdrawn from you. If I were you, I'd wait for her to make the next move, or at least wait a good few days, and have some fun in the meantime to take your mind off it. 

 

Maybe you're right. I sent a simple text "Good morning. How's your day". That was 3 hours ago. She hasn't read the message.

 

I won't text anymore.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Maybe you're right. I sent a simple text "Good morning. How's your day". That was 3 hours ago. She hasn't read the message.

 

I won't text anymore.

Look on the bright side: You're in Thailand, rather than some western country where your options would be so much more limited. 

21 minutes ago, Lightyear said:

Look on the bright side: You're in Thailand, rather than some western country where your options would be so much more limited. 

 

In a way it's a positive outcome in any event. For the first time I have met the kind of woman that I really like, not just on a physical level, but on a general chemistry level.

 

She went on 3 dates with me, despite being only 25 and it shows, like you say, that you still have options. Even if for whatever reason she decides not to proceed, it may be a "her" issue, she may have more options, she may be focused on her dying mother, it may not be something I did.

 

And in any event it's not over yet. I'm on the path. She hasn't said "Please go away". She may be taking a nap now. Who knows. She doesn't seem glued to her phone like some girls.

 

She just replied, and it's not what I expected.

 

"Good afternoon".

 

Sorry for late reply. I hang out last night and drunk."!

 

What is going with this gir? She's supposedly from a traditional Chinese family and Christian and goes out on a Wednesday to get drunk??

 

Tells me she's not sure about going out on  Sat or Sun, but goes out to drink yesterday?

 

I just replied "No worries. One way to sleep good. How are you feeling?"

 

This is not good. She's going out to get drunk midweek, and telling me she's not sure if she can do Sat or Sunday. I suppose at least she's honest about it, a bit like Phuket girl.

 

Again, looks like it was the right decision to write. At least I know she went out drinking yesterday.

 

 

I just spoke to my Malaysian Chinese friend. He also said the worst you can do is smother a Chinese woman. They don't like too much contact.

 

Maybe I won't write again until Saturday and then ask if she's clear for Sunday

She just replied "I'm okay ka". So heart emoji and now no more contact until Saturday when I'll check "are we in the clear for dinner on Sunday".

 

Let's see.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She just replied "I'm okay ka". So heart emoji and now no more contact until Saturday when I'll check "are we in the clear for dinner on Sunday".

 

Let's see.

 

you are being a terrible simp - but you know that already and have entered complete beta mode.... 

 

The reality is clear - 'shes just not that into you'...    and you can't change that - its too late.

 

The sure fire way to find out - let her make next contact thats it....    nothing - don't make any contact with her again, nothing, no message, not call, not a peep - then IF she reaches out to you, you may have a chance at recovering some self-respect....

 

... but - they way she's behaving - the way she has behave - you are not effort for her and harmless - so there's no harm in stringing you along....

 

As far as her 'iPhone 17' - that wealthy Ex is not an ex - its just not around - the moment he returns you'll see how quickly she goes 'radio silent' - again - you suspect this already but prefer to pull the wool over your own eyes... 

 

 

BUT - the answer is extremely clear - the ball is in her court - if she doesn't want to return it, she's not interested - it really is that simple.

 

 

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

you are being a terrible simp - but you know that already and have entered complete beta mode.... 

 

The reality is clear - 'shes just not that into you'...    and you can't change that - its too late.

 

The sure fire way to find out - let her make next contact thats it....    nothing - don't make any contact with her again, nothing, no message, not call, not a peep - then IF she reaches out to you, you may have a chance at recovering some self-respect....

 

... but - they way she's behaving - the way she has behave - you are not effort for her and harmless - so there's no harm in stringing you along....

 

As far as her 'iPhone 17' - that wealthy Ex is not an ex - its just not around - the moment he returns you'll see how quickly she goes 'radio silent' - again - you suspect this already but prefer to pull the wool over your own eyes... 

 

 

BUT - the answer is extremely clear - the ball is in her court - if she doesn't want to return it, she's not interested - it really is that simple.

 

 

 

I was told that in China simping is  the default, that Chinese men will often ask the girl "Do you have money" and just give them cash . I've not done that, but you must understand that I am on probation. She doesn't know me yet. 

 

When asked me to get that iphone case, it was a small thing, but she was testing if I could be relied on, because Chinese women are far more about material security and providing than any other women. The traditional simping. alpha/beta notions are not that useful here.

 

Obviously she's not that crazy into me yet. Her interest is at a 5 or 6, not an 8 or 9, I know that, but it's very early days. We've only been on 3 dates.

 

Maybe you have a point though, perhaps I will write nothing and see if she does as she said she would, contact me on Saturday.

 

Interesting theory about the Taiwanese Ex, but there is no evidence he's still around.

 

Overall you're right though, it's now up to her, if she comes through on Saturday and says whether it's on for Sunday or not.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I am on probation

 

No, she is.

 

Sounds as of you're devalued.

 

If she doesn't see your worth; up to she. 😁

Just now, Bacon1 said:

 

No, she is.

 

Sounds as of you're devalued.

 

If she doesn't see your worth; up to she. 😁

 

Both of us are, she too. But am I too. She is trying to evaluate if I'm the real deal, especially financially.

 

I took her to all these great restaurants, but she'll be wondering if I'm all that financially or not. 

 

She doesn't really know me yet, just like :I don't really know her.

On 11/16/2025 at 4:24 AM, Lightyear said:

Wise words. Men do the picking, women do the choosing. 

 

Perhaps in some situations. Women are also predators. They'll deliberately walk in your direction or find an excuse to ask you something. Who is picking and choosing in that scenario?

There's often a tendency to oversimplify these things. Personally, I've turned down more women that I've slept with.

It's about your personal dynamic. I cannot imagine putting myself in the OP's situation. He doesn't seem to value himself. The girl will know that. They want something/someone of value. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

There's often a tendency to oversimplify these things.

 

That's true. Unless there is deep knowledge of the specific situation it is almost impossible to estimate the situation accurately, and even I, in the middle of it, don't have the full information about this girl. For instance her saying she went out drinking yesterday is totally out of left field. I knew she liked to party, and went to night clubs, but that she goes drinking on a Wednesday night is a new piece of information. Which I would never have obtained had I not written today.

 

In particular these notions of Alpha/Beta are a bit of an oversimplification, because with one girl you're an Alpha, with another a Beta, it doesn't necessarily affect the outcome, other factors will play a greater part.

 

10 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

He doesn't seem to value himself. The girl will know that. They want something/someone of value. 

 

It's not that I don't value myself, I am simply aware of my true sexual market value. When my Russian ex sent a photo of me to her Russian friends they told her "There's no way that's your boyfriend, you took that out of a magazine", they couldn't believe how good looking I was. But I was 29 then. Now, at 54, they would not say that. Whilst I still have the same face, obviously at 54 I look somewhat different. Still good enough to get 3 dates with the best looking girl in CM, but it would be overreach to pretend that I have the same SMV as this girl has at 25. I just don't. So I have to compensate somewhat in other ways.

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I was told that in China simping is  the default, that Chinese men will often ask the girl "Do you have money" and just give them cash . I've not done that, but you must understand that I am on probation. She doesn't know me yet. 

 

Yes, you are - but that doesn't mean giving into her every whim - thats being weak - reaspect is earned differently - knowing your own value is the only way she learn it.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

When asked me to get that iphone case, it was a small thing, but she was testing if I could be relied on, because Chinese women are far more about material security and providing than any other women. The traditional simping. alpha/beta notions are not that useful here.

 

Honestly - they're not useful anywhere because every relationship is individual - but you are not in a relationship with this girl - You are in a state of infatuation with a girl who is in a 'take it or leave it' mode - she is not into and just does care - if she did, she would be behaving very differently.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Obviously she's not that crazy into me yet. Her interest is at a 5 or 6, not an 8 or 9, I know that, but it's very early days. We've only been on 3 dates.

 

No - her interest is at a 1 - just mildly above sitting at home doing nothing or meeting up and seeing if you will get her something.

 

After one date she should be at a 9 and playing it 'cool' so she doesn't seem so eager - the message your getting is that she really doesn't give too hoots.

 

You have this fixation that she's some sort of well educated hi-so - her behavior and texts show she clearly isn't.

 

Her phone - bought from an Ex - is a clear indication of who / what she is - she's a player - when that 'ex' (wealthy Korean) comes back - she will go off radar. 

If another 'wealthy' guy shows interest - she will go off radar.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Maybe you have a point though, perhaps I will write nothing and see if she does as she said she would, contact me on Saturday.

 

100% do that - IF she doesn't contact you on Saturday - move on - you were there just to pass a bit of boredom... If she does message you then stick to your plans.... 

 

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Interesting theory about the Taiwanese Ex, but there is no evidence he's still around.

 

There's no 'evidence' that you've seen ?....   was she really out with her friends 'drinking' on a Wednesday ?

Or was that the Ex ? Unlikely as she'd have gone off radar. 

She was out with another Guy on Weds & she went radio silent while they had a good time.

You are dealing with a player.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Overall you're right though, it's now up to her, if she comes through on Saturday and says whether it's on for Sunday or not.

 

Just go quiet - its up to her if she replies or not - and how she replies is very telling.

 

You don't need to tip-toe around women - after three dates, she already knows exactly what she wants - you may as well be direct... 

 

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes, you are - but that doesn't mean giving into her every whim - thats being weak - reaspect is earned differently - knowing your own value is the only way she learn it.

 

 

She hasn't really imposed a lot of whims on me, the only one was this Iphone, a very small thing. Yes I found it odd  she would ask for it, but my Malaysian Chinese friend says she is testing if I can be relied on, she could easily buy it herself. So telling her, "No, sorry I don't buy girls phone cases" would have been the wrong move. It's 700 baht, I'm not concerned about it. She can have it.

 

Of course you are correct, if she would have said "I need 20000 baht" I would not have indulged her. We are getting closer to each other, slowly and carefully, her demands, or whims have not been outrageous.

 

Actually, when she came out with one whim, that she wanted to go eat Shabu instead on our third date, I pushed back and did not give in to it. So I'm not giving in to every whim of hers.

 

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

but you are not in a relationship with this girl -

 

We are in a relationship, but it is merely an early courtship or dating relationship, I'm not her boyfriiend yet, this is true. Which is why I have to be careful what I do and don't do.

 

Yes, she's not that into it yet, she likes me, but not as much as I like her, which is understandable, her SMV is through the roof, and mine is merely good at this point. I'm a farang with no status here, I speak neither Chinese nor Thai, I'm 54...it's an uphill climb. Let's not beat about the bush. However, women develop attraction the more they know you, if you can create attraction with words. Which is what I am able to do, hopefully. So we'll see. I certainly noticed her interest went up radically on the 2nd date, and was high at the start of the 3rd date, but sadly a few unfortunate events meant that date did not end well.

 

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

No - her interest is at a 1 - just mildly above sitting at home doing nothing or meeting up and seeing if you will get her something.

 

 

No, that's nonsense. She agreed to go on 3 dates, she's still texting. Her interest is at least at a 5 or 6. If it were 1 she'd never have gone on any dates and she wouldn't bother to text at all.

 

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

After one date she should be at a 9 and playing it 'cool' so she doesn't seem so eager - the message your getting is that she really doesn't give too hoots.

 

To create a level 9 interest is hard and unlikely on a first date, unless the girl is not good looking.  She was interested enough to go on 3 dates and ist texting. Her interest is at least a 5.

 

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You have this fixation that she's some sort of well educated hi-so - her behavior and texts show she clearly isn't.

 

I may have overestimated her socio economic position slightly, but she is still clearly middle class. She's not a poor Thai girl, trust me, I know the difference very well. She is extremely well educated btw, first class degree from Uni.

 

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Her phone - bought from an Ex - is a clear indication of who / what she is - she's a player - when that 'ex' (wealthy Korean) comes back - she will go off radar. 

If another 'wealthy' guy shows interest - she will go off radar.

 

It's possible a guy bought that phone for her and she may well be a player. But I'll play. It's fun. It's worth it. But I am aware of this, don't worry.

 

24 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

There's no 'evidence' that you've seen ?....   was she really out with her friends 'drinking' on a Wednesday ?

Or was that the Ex ? Unlikely as she'd have gone off radar. 

She was out with another Guy on Weds & she went radio silent while they had a good time.

You are dealing with a player.

 

It's certainly a strong possibility. There are 1404 farang in her Insta follower list. But I'm not her boyfriend yet. She is free to go on dates with other guys. It doesn't matter who pumps up the tires, if I get to ride the bike.

 

I think you're right though, being silent until Saturday and seeing if she does say anything may be the way to go here.

An unnecessarily unpleasant post and a reply to it were removed, as was a comment on moderation. 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Honestly - they're not useful anywhere because every relationship is individual - but you are not in a relationship with this girl - You are in a state of infatuation with a girl who is in a 'take it or leave it' mode - she is not into and just does care - if she did, she would be behaving very differently.

 

Damn it ........ I hate when i have to agree with richard .   😂   

 

( I'm sure he meant  "she is not into you and just does NOT care -")

37 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

Damn it ........ I hate when i have to agree with richard .   😂   

 

( I'm sure he meant  "she is not into you and just does NOT care -")

 

It's a fallacy to assume a woman will have peak interest at 9 or 10 every day. It's perfectly normal for interest to go up and down.

 

It's also normal for high interest to develeop after a few weeks, it's rare in week 1.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes, you are - but that doesn't mean giving into her every whim - thats being weak - reaspect is earned differently - knowing your own value is the only way she learn it.

 

 

She hasn't really imposed a lot of whims on me, the only one was this Iphone, a very small thing. Yes I found it odd  she would ask for it, but my Malaysian Chinese friend says she is testing if I can be relied on, she could easily buy it herself. So telling her, "No, sorry I don't buy girls phone cases" would have been the wrong move. It's 700 baht, I'm not concerned about it. She can have it.

 

Its not testing if you can be relied upon - its testing if you are daft enough to buy her stuff - thats it.

 

Being reliable is about being there is genuine issue crops up and honest people / people with geunine intentions don't 'test' for that.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Of course you are correct, if she would have said "I need 20000 baht" I would not have indulged her. We are getting closer to each other, slowly and carefully, her demands, or whims have not been outrageous.

 

Actually, when she came out with one whim, that she wanted to go eat Shabu instead on our third date, I pushed back and did not give in to it. So I'm not giving in to every whim of hers.

 

Why ? whats wrong with Shabu ?? - if you're going to push-back to prove that you can - do so over real things.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

but you are not in a relationship with this girl -

 

We are in a relationship, but it is merely an early courtship or dating relationship, I'm not her boyfriiend yet, this is true. Which is why I have to be careful what I do and don't do.

 

Have you slept with her  ????  if so, you are friends with benefits !!!... 

 

If not - you are someone she finds to fill the company from time to time - If she was into you - you'd have been out with her on Weds night - she'd have called you and invited you because she wants to spend time with you - not just see you when all other options are off.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, she's not that into it yet, she likes me, but not as much as I like her, which is understandable, her SMV is through the roof, and mine is merely good at this point. I'm a farang with no status here, I speak neither Chinese nor Thai, I'm 54...it's an uphill climb. Let's not beat about the bush. However, women develop attraction the more they know you, if you can create attraction with words. Which is what I am able to do, hopefully. So we'll see. I certainly noticed her interest went up radically on the 2nd date, and was high at the start of the 3rd date, but sadly a few unfortunate events meant that date did not end well.

 

Attraction is instant - (in the physical sense) - thus - if you look good at 54 and she's attracted to you - things move on quickly - her Ex (Korean) gave her a 40,000 baht phone - she's not a shrinking violet... 

 

I'd place her in the 'occupational farang / foreigner hunter' category

 

How did you see her 'notice and interest in you go up ???  -

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

No - her interest is at a 1 - just mildly above sitting at home doing nothing or meeting up and seeing if you will get her something.

 

 

No, that's nonsense. She agreed to go on 3 dates, she's still texting. Her interest is at least at a 5 or 6. If it were 1 she'd never have gone on any dates and she wouldn't bother to text at all.

 

She barely gives you the time of day and 'might' see you on Sat - but has been out on Weds partying without you - her interest in you is a 1....  its just above her interest in going for lunch alone....  a 6 your seeing each other every other day... ad 7 or 8 you're bumping fuzzies... .

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

After one date she should be at a 9 and playing it 'cool' so she doesn't seem so eager - the message your getting is that she really doesn't give too hoots.

 

To create a level 9 interest is hard and unlikely on a first date, unless the girl is not good looking.  She was interested enough to go on 3 dates and ist texting. Her interest is at least a 5.

 

Nah - its not hard - takes a little game - Attraction is instant - its the same in the UK as it is here - its just more difficult to work out here if the interest is genuine or financial. 

 

3 dates - you've been friend-zoned already !

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

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You have this fixation that she's some sort of well educated hi-so - her behavior and texts show she clearly isn't.

 

I may have overestimated her socio economic position slightly, but she is still clearly middle class. She's not a poor Thai girl, trust me, I know the difference very well. She is extremely well educated btw, first class degree from Uni.

 

Is she really - Middle Class ???  -   I saw here texts - it doesn't imply international school education etc.

Her English is acquired - not educated - implying she has had a lot of exposure to foreigners.

 

Which Uni was it BTW ? - that can tell a lot - If Thammarsai, Rangsit, Bangkok Uni, ABAC, Chula, or Chiang Mai - then yep - thats good Thai Uni - and she might be 'middle class' as you put it.

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Her phone - bought from an Ex - is a clear indication of who / what she is - she's a player - when that 'ex' (wealthy Korean) comes back - she will go off radar. 

If another 'wealthy' guy shows interest - she will go off radar.

 

It's possible a guy bought that phone for her and she may well be a player. But I'll play. It's fun. It's worth it. But I am aware of this, don't worry.

 

Good - keep it in that 'box' and play the game - chill - because 53 pages into a thread - you're a bit of a love sick puppy... 

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There's no 'evidence' that you've seen ?....   was she really out with her friends 'drinking' on a Wednesday ?

Or was that the Ex ? Unlikely as she'd have gone off radar. 

She was out with another Guy on Weds & she went radio silent while they had a good time.

You are dealing with a player.

 

It's certainly a strong possibility. There are 1404 farang in her Insta follower list. But I'm not her boyfriend yet. She is free to go on dates with other guys. It doesn't matter who pumps up the tires, if I get to ride the bike.

 

I think you got that saying wrong - its does matter who rides the bike if all you are doing is is polishing the frame !!!

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I think you're right though, being silent until Saturday and seeing if she does say anything may be the way to go here.

 

Yes - but do you really think you will last ???  By Sat you will have 'broken already and written first.

 

Believe you once told you kissed her. Uncommon in Thai way especially in public.

SO why you dont bring it up? You tell her you remember the kiss and want to do some more kissing?

You want to feel her lips on yours and hold her sexy body close to you.

Shot in the dark but tempting. Tell her how sexy she looks and you want to feel her. Fantasy.

Keep it nice, keep it sexy and see what happens.

Some women like it even dirtier, but up to you. You can also say, you have 3 holes and want to be in them.

Thats quite direct. 555.

Probably the sailor told the Philippines woman something like that?

Your father"s story should made that clear to you, it is sometimes like that.

And then it doesnt matter the woman, high or low or wahtever you call it, They get horny or not.

Now you are sitting on your ass, watching list in Insta and have again some lousy conversations, which probably thrills you.

You dont want to give a kidney, so maybe something else? Fire, passion, naughty !

She is already drunk in the middle of the week ! The other (dark) side of the very lovely CM girl?

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its not testing if you can be relied upon - its testing if you are daft enough to buy her stuff - thats it.

 

Being reliable is about being there is genuine issue crops up and honest people / people with geunine intentions don't 'test' for that.

 

Yah, that's a UK way to look it, but for Chinese girls material things are more important, and they will test for that. In fact in China it's common for women to demand proof of income, proof of apartment deeds. Their view on this is somewhat different.. 

 

Again, had I not got that phone case, I would not have kissed her that night, seen her that night, we would not have texted, her interest would not have been high the next day when she sent a video and texted all day and night.

It was the right move.

 

Your view mirrors a typical manosphere view, but in this situation getting the phone case was the right decision.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Why ? whats wrong with Shabu ?? - if you're going to push-back to prove that you can - do so over real things.

 

I had a planned a real date at a real restaurant, Palette in 137 Pillars. She loved the dinner and the restaurant, again it was the right move.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Have you slept with her  ????  if so, you are friends with benefits !!!... 

 

I've slept with enough women, I don't put the vagina on a pedestal, it's not that important when we sleep together. It's not a bad thing to make her wait. This way the relationship can develop organically. It's actually much more important that she enjoys the date, and I enjoy the date. Sex is not that important.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If not - you are someone she finds to fill the company from time to time - If she was into you - you'd have been out with her on Weds night - she'd have called you and invited you because she wants to spend time with you - not just see you when all other options are off.

 

Like I said, I know her interest is currently at a 5 or 6, it's not very high, however, the reason she went to have drinks may have nothing to do with her going with a guy, she may have gone with a girlfriend who had birthday, and it was not appropriate to invite, there can be all kinds of reasons that are legitimate. But yes, obviously, if she was free Wednesday night and is  still not agreeing to Sunday dinner, it's not great, interest clearly could be higher. I am aware.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Attraction is instant - (in the physical sense) - thus - if you look good at 54 and she's attracted to you - things move on quickly - her Ex (Korean) gave her a 40,000 baht phone - she's not a shrinking violet... 

 

Attraction can be instant, but it can also take time, women are not just attracted physically, but also by the things you say, it can take time to raise attraction. Obviously she is attracted, or she would not have agreed to go on 3 dates in a row. The question is elevating her attraction, after all, I'm 54 years old, so not the ideal for a 25 year old.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'd place her in the 'occupational farang / foreigner hunter' category

 

That may be the case, but it's too early to say that is the case. There are some indications but no real proof of this. In the absence of this she deserves the benefit of the doubt.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

How did you see her 'notice and interest in you go up ??? 

 

She started to make a point of saying how she had cold hands and put her hand in my hand. She was teasing me, laughing, it was evident her interest had gone up. On the third date she was highly feminine, told me I could order food for her, so she was submissive to me. It started well that third date, but that bar later was a problem.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She barely gives you the time of day and 'might' see you on Sat - but has been out on Weds partying without you - her interest in you is a 1....  its just above her interest in going for lunch alone....  a 6 your seeing each other every other day... ad 7 or 8 you're bumping fuzzies..

 

No, that's just nonsense, Richard. If her interest were at 1, as you suggeste, she would never have gone on 3 dates, she wouldn't have sent a video two days ago and texted all day and night. Her interest was at 6 that day. When she returned it went down to a 5. Not great, but she's still texting and has not declined the date offer, so we'll have to see. It could drop or go up again. Going out for drinks on Wednesday could have perfectly llegitimate reasons, a girlfriend's birthday etc. You're reading too much into things.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nah - its not hard - takes a little game - Attraction is instant - its the same in the UK as it is here - its just more difficult to work out here if the interest is genuine or financial. 

 

3 dates - you've been friend-zoned already !

 

No, even in the UK an interest of 9 on the first date is unheard of, unless the girl is very ugly, or you're Brad Pitt. It's just not a realistic scenario. Most first dates are nowhere near 9.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Is she really - Middle Class ???  -   I saw here texts - it doesn't imply international school education etc.

Her English is acquired - not educated - implying she has had a lot of exposure to foreigners.

 

Yes, she is. After she graduated Uni with a first class degree she still took an English test B2, at her own expense. Typical Chinese middle class swottery. Her English is a result of her uni days, she had a liberal arts degree. From Rangsit.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Good - keep it in that 'box' and play the game - chill - because 53 pages into a thread - you're a bit of a love sick puppy... 

 

I must admit, I did get carried away too early. If you'd seen her, you would have too.

 

45 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes - but do you really think you will last ???  By Sat you will have 'broken already and written first

 

Perhaps. It is 2025, maybe texting is a superior option. I'm still thinking this one through.

10 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Believe you once told you kissed her. Uncommon in Thai way especially in public.

SO why you dont bring it up? You tell her you remember the kiss and want to do some more kissing?

You want to feel her lips on yours and hold her sexy body close to you.

Shot in the dark but tempting. Tell her how sexy she looks and you want to feel her. Fantasy.

Keep it nice, keep it sexy and see what happens.

Some women like it even dirtier, but up to you. You can also say, you have 3 holes and want to be in them.

Thats quite direct. 555.

Probably the sailor told the Philippines woman something like that?

Your father"s story should made that clear to you, it is sometimes like that.

And then it doesnt matter the woman, high or low or wahtever you call it, They get horny or not.

Now you are sitting on your ass, watching list in Insta and have again some lousy conversations, which probably thrills you.

You dont want to give a kidney, so maybe something else? Fire, passion, naughty !

She is already drunk in the middle of the week ! The other (dark) side of the very lovely CM girl?

 

 

Yes, after I kissed her she looked bashful towards her house and said "I hope mother didn't see that" whilst smiling.

 

Quite cute. It was dark, but clearly she didn't want to be seen.

 

It's actually not a bad idea to bring it up. It's good to show some intent

 

Yes, her getting drunk on a Wednesday is not a great look, not loving it.