Medical doctor in a room with 20 Anti-Vaxxers giving rebuttals on their vaccine claims.

 

 

First woman said a child had a seizure shortly after a vaccine.

Doctor explains that it can happen by chance. 

No proof of causality.

 

Another debate with anti-vaxers.

 

At 40:28 he claims autism is not on the rise.

The reason there are more people diagnosed as being autistic is because the criteria for diagnosing has changed over the years. 

So blaming autism on vaccines seems unfounded. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Medical doctor in a room with 20 Anti-Vaxxers giving rebuttals on their vaccine claims.

 

 

 

 

WOW... will wonders never cease. Before your post, I had NEVER heard peep one of this MD....

 

Despite re his huge YT channel above:  14.4M subscribers•1.1K videos

 

And more broadly in overall social media: "#1 Health/Medicine Influencer w/ 29,000,000+ followers.  Aiming to make the field of medicine relatable, understandable, and fun!"

 

And, amazingly for this subforum, he's NOT a crackpot or a doctor who's had their medical license or board certifications revoked!

 

Instead:

 

"Mikhail Oskarovich Varshavski^{[† 1]}  ... known popularly as Doctor Mike, is a Russian-American family medicine physician, YouTuber, internet personality, philanthropist, and professional boxer. His Instagram account went viral after he was featured in BuzzFeed and People magazine named him The Sexiest Doctor Alive in 2015. He has a YouTube channel on which he posts medically themed entertainment videos and debunks false medical claims."

...

"During the COVID-19 pandemic, Varshavski reconfigured his YouTube videos to answer people's questions about the virus.^[15] He debunked many of Judy Mikovits' claims about COVID-19 from the conspiracy film, Plandemic.^[16] In March 2020, he interviewed Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), about the pandemic.^"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Mike

 

Hey, every little (or not so little) bit helps!!!

 

He is doing exactly what was advocated in this thread I posted here lately:

 

Scientific community must take up cudgel against COVID bunk

Pseudoscience and COVID-19 — we’ve had enough already

...

"We need physicists, microbiologists, immunologists, gastroenterologists and all scientists from relevant disciplines to provide simple and shareable content." 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1377306-scientific-community-must-take-up-cudgel-against-covid-bunk/

 

The problem is, when scientists and medical doctors present like scientists and medical doctors, oftentimes, the general public just doesn't follow it or pay attention or understand. And their message and info doesn't get thru... 

 

Those folks, or at least the younger ones among them, need to learn how to communicate effectively to the general public thru TODAY'S methods... not the old traditional ones.

 

 

 

 

Let me pick the 20 'anti-vaxxers' for that debate, and dr Mike would be toast... 

To be honest, I don't have time to watch it.

Video is way too long and I got crap to do. 

If you watch any of it and have time to comment, go for it. Would love to hear comments. 

 

10 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Let me pick the 20 'anti-vaxxers' for that debate, and dr Mike would be toast... 

 

Send Dr, Mike a message on his Youtube channel.

Tell him you want to debate.

And then post it here.

 

He's not the only one doing that kind of hard work... here are a couple of others:

 

 

"Ph.D. in molecular biology that covers bad science while making good science accessible. This channel focuses mainly on pseudoscience surrounding the anti-vaccine movement and COVID misinformation. I earned my B.S. in Biotechnology and Molecular Biology from Clarion University and my Ph.D. from Carnegie Mellon University. My Ph.D. research focused on how cells build ribosomes, the nano-machines in all of your cells that make protein."

 

https://www.youtube.com/@DebunktheFunkwithDrWilson

 

 

"Dan Wilson is an American molecular biologist and science communicator. He is best known as a host and creator of the podcast Debunk The Funk, which focuses on pseudoscience surrounding the anti-vaccine movement and COVID-19 misinformation.

...

In January 2020, as he was completing his Ph.D., Wilson created a YouTube channel as a hobby, intending to debunk anti-vaccination conspiracists he was familiar with, such as Del Bigtree. With the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic, he got interested in the new influencers peddling COVID misinformation. Debunk the Funk rapidly gained in popularity in March 2020, as both the pandemic and the influencers profiting from it took off.^[1] 

...

Author Matthew Remski describes Wilson's approach as "clear, respectful, meticulous with evidence and clearly devoted to the common good."^[3] Inspired by Timothy Caulfield's science communication work, he presents data in a compassionate way to engage with his audience. To produce the videos, Wilson reads the relevant scientific literature and seeks out the scientists currently publishing on the topic to ensure the information he communicates is current."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Wilson_(biologist)

 

PS - the Timothy Caulfield mentioned above in Wilson's bio is the author of the recent post article I mentioned / posted above:

Pseudoscience and COVID-19 — we’ve had enough already

 

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21 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Let me pick the 20 'anti-vaxxers' for that debate, and dr Mike would be toast... 

Just me and him would suffice. He might get me on some technical jargon, but not on historical health facts.

Here's another smaller channel that communicates pretty well on a wide range of health issues, not just COVID and related misinformation, though they do cover that periodically:

 

https://www.youtube.com/@unbiasedscipod/videos

 

https://www.unbiasedscience.com/about-us

 

 

 

56 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Medical doctor in a room with 20 Anti-Vaxxers giving rebuttals on their vaccine claims.

 

 

You crazy now?

40 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

WOW... will wonders never cease. Before your post, I had NEVER heard peep one of this MD....

 

Despite re his huge YT channel above:  14.4M subscribers•1.1K videos

 

And more broadly in overall social media: "#1 Health/Medicine Influencer w/ 29,000,000+ followers.  Aiming to make the field of medicine relatable, understandable, and fun!"

 

And, amazingly for this subforum, he's NOT a crackpot or a doctor who's had their medical license or board certifications revoked!

 

Instead:

 

"Mikhail Oskarovich Varshavski^{[† 1]}  ... known popularly as Doctor Mike, is a Russian-American family medicine physician, YouTuber, internet personality, philanthropist, and professional boxer. His Instagram account went viral after he was featured in BuzzFeed and People magazine named him The Sexiest Doctor Alive in 2015. He has a YouTube channel on which he posts medically themed entertainment videos and debunks false medical claims."

...

"During the COVID-19 pandemic, Varshavski reconfigured his YouTube videos to answer people's questions about the virus.^[15] He debunked many of Judy Mikovits' claims about COVID-19 from the conspiracy film, Plandemic.^[16] In March 2020, he interviewed Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), about the pandemic.^"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_Mike

 

Hey, every little (or not so little) bit helps!!!

 

 

More on Dr. Mike via UNICEF USA:

 

"In this Q&A, UNICEF's newest Ambassador, Dr. Mikhail Varshavski, shares what compelled him to join UNICEF's mission. "UNICEF has helped protect nearly half of the world’s children with vaccines. It is imperative that we continue this vital work." 

Joining forces with UNICEF to drive sustainable change for children

Family medicine physician, health educator and children's health advocate Doctor Mike (Dr. Mikhail Varshavski) was appointed UNICEF Ambassador on April 24, 2025, the first day of World Immunization Week. 

...

Doctor Mike's collaboration with UNICEF began with a 2021 public information campaign to explain how COVID-19 vaccines work. His podcast is called "The Checkup." UNICEF USA caught up with Doctor Mike to learn more.

 

DOCTOR MIKE: My goal is to continue my work advocating for children’s health and amplifying UNICEF’s message — that every child should be healthy, educated, protected and respected. Using my platform, I will focus on improving health literacy and work to dispel misinformation."

 

https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/doctor-mike-vaccines-lets-not-let-misinformation-win

 

11 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

You crazy now?

 

always have been crazy like a fox.

 

so here he claims that SOME vaccines do not contain any harmful substances at all.

the worst you will find in them is saline.

I would need to go through all the vaccines one by one and look at the ingredient list.

do I really have time for that?

 

not saying i agree with his title. i'm not calling anyone an idiot.

i'm not even sure he's correct about everything. 

just putting it out there. 

 

 

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Here's another smaller channel that communicates pretty well on a wide range of health issues, not just COVID and related misinformation, though they do cover that periodically:

 

https://www.youtube.com/@unbiasedscipod/videos

 

https://www.unbiasedscience.com/about-us

 

 

 

Wow.  She’s almost as popular as you.

This is also an interesting bit.

They are talking about vaccines and autism.

Childhood vaccines used to contain mercury but due to public outcry the mercury was removed.

 

 

11 hours ago, Airalee said:

Wow.  She’s almost as popular as you.

 

Dr. Mike is the "sexiest doctor alive".

And TallJohnny is the "sexiest anti-vaxxer on AN alive".

 

Now watching this - will comment later. If anyone else has a chance to watch it and comment, would love to hear your comments

 

Dr. Andrew Huberman and Dr. Chris Palmer discuss how vaccines may influence brain development. Dr. Chris Palmer, M.D., is a board-certified psychiatrist and professor at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Andrew Huberman is a tenured professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford University School of Medicine and host of the Huberman Lab podcast.

 

 

Ok, watching the Huberman video.

The debate seems to be rather complicated. 

 

at 7:00 minutes

 

The doctor does confirm that vaccines can be linked to neurodegnerative disorder.

One woman went to court and won in one case.

But these are people who already have compromised immune systems.

They can't tolerate the vaccine.

 

However, ... at 8:37 he asks if people should get vaccinated or not.

He claims there is evidence that unvaccinated people are more likely to develop autism than vaccinated people. 

 

Because sth like measles can cause a neurodegenerate problem.

 

So what I'm getting is there are risks either way - getting vaccinated or not getting vaccinated. 

 

 

21 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Now watching this - will comment later. If anyone else has a chance to watch it and comment, would love to hear your comments

 

Dr. Andrew Huberman and Dr. Chris Palmer discuss how vaccines may influence brain development. Dr. Chris Palmer, M.D., is a board-certified psychiatrist and professor at Harvard Medical School. Dr. Andrew Huberman is a tenured professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at Stanford University School of Medicine and host of the Huberman Lab podcast.

 

 

 

 

Now you're going a bit astray... into the ethers of YT... I've come across Huberman before...and not in a good way:

 

"Andrew David Huberman ... is an American neuroscientist and podcaster. He is an associate professor of neurobiology and ophthalmology at the Stanford University School of Medicine. He has been the host of the popular health and science focused podcast Huberman Lab since 2021. He has drawn criticism from scientists for promoting dietary supplements and making "errors of fact"

...

focusing on the visual system, and held faculty positions at UC San Diego and later Stanford, where his lab studies vision regeneration, stress mitigation, and non-pharmacological interventions for anxiety."

 

One of the problems with COVID and related issues, is when doctors from other fields start offering "expertise" on areas outside their actual areas of training and knowledge... Like the eternal anti-vaxer chiropractors or podiatrists....  You'll note, there's NOTHING in Huberman's professional background that qualifies him in public health or vaccinology.

 

Whenever you start seeing someone claiming to be serious associating with Joe Rogan, you know things are heading in a bad direction:

 

"As the COVID-19 pandemic progressed, Huberman grew dissatisfied with what he viewed as health authorities' narrow focus on the virus without providing guidance for improving public health. Mohr facilitated Huberman's appearances on major podcasts, including those hosted by Joe Rogan and Rich Roll. These appearances helped increase his social media following. By the end of 2020, Huberman had appeared on Lex Fridman's technology podcast. Fridman encouraged him to start his own podcast."

 

"Jonathan Jarry from the Office for Science and Society has questioned Huberman's promotion of "poorly regulated" dietary supplements. According to Jarry, The Huberman Lab podcast has been sponsored by "companies offering questionable products from the perspective of science-based medicine".   Joseph Zundell, a cancer biologist, trusts Huberman's expertise in neuroscience but also criticized him for extrapolating animal research for human use without appropriate scientific justification and straying from his area of expertise.^[5] These criticisms were echoed by New York Magazine, which also stated that Huberman often "posits certainty where there is ambiguity". ...  His promotion of unregulated health supplements has been particularly controversial, as these products often have little scientific evidence supporting their effectiveness.^[5] According to at least one expert, Huberman's podcast content focuses on pseudoscience.^"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Huberman

 

 

 

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Now you're going a bit astray...

 

Well, we're never going to agree on everything.

I'm a lone wolf.

Post whatever you want. 

 

Here's a couple MD or university bloggers who are specialists in COVID related fields... and present information in very clear and accessible ways:

 

https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/

 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/all-news

 

https://caitlinrivers.substack.com/

 

https://diplomaticimmunity.blog/blog/

 

https://insidemedicine.substack.com/

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Just me and him would suffice. He might get me on some technical jargon, but not on historical health facts.

 

Women with obesity are twice as likely to have an autistic child, according to Dr Palmer

 

Increasing rates of obesity = increasing rates of autism

 

And diabetes. If the mother is obese and diabetic, the rate of autism in the offspring quadruples.

 

 

38 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Well, we're never going to agree on everything.

I'm a lone wolf.

Post whatever you want. 

 

 

Of course, you can follow and pay attention to whomever you choose...

 

In regards to Huberman, my only point was, for me, when evaluating whether I want to judge an "expert" to have credibility, I get jittery when I look into their details and find references to promoting pseudoscience, operating outside their area of professional expertise and pitching unproven supplement products for money....

 

 

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Now you're going a bit astray...

 

As far as I am concerned, this is one of the most pertinent pieces of information on vaccines I have come across. (children vaccines, not Covid). It seems balanced and objective and it's not fear-mongering. 

 

First of all, it's not Huberman. It's the other guy, and he's a Harvard Medical guy.

Harvard is a top medical school, so this is an important person. He is no doubt on advisory boards and govts listen to his advice. 

 

This video shows some very important things:

- The anti vax crowd would have everyone believe that the scientific community is a bunch of bumbling idiots. OR that they are heartless sociopaths who willingly administer vaccines that cause autism and don't care to inflict suffering on the population. You can see from the video that he is very aware of all the claims of links of vaccines to autism. And he is aware of all the existing research. He has even ADMITTED that in some people, a vaccine injury may lead to a neurodegenerative situation.

 

- However, unlike people like Stiddle Mump who insist that there are no threats to our health and we never need vaccines or any medical intervention of any kind, he also points out that things like measles can degenerate into neurological issues. Which is why there is no easy solution. They can't just stop administering vaccines to children. That would also lead to problems.

 

- So this conversation shows that there is no easy solution. But they are doing the best the can with all the research available to them.

 

- The other issue is that he blames the increasing rates of autism to obesity and metabolic disorder, not to vaccines. Even though vaccines can precipitate things and make things worse in cases where there is poor metabolic underlying health. In other words, people need to take more responsibility for their health. You cannot just blame the govt and vaccines for autism as all these anti-vaxxers are doing.

 

If you think this is not useful information, then that's your problem.

It answers most of the questions I have.  

 

Except one issue he didn't discuss is giving too many vaccines close together to children.

 

I don't even think this is the full video. I may watch the rest. 

 

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

First of all, it's not Huberman. It's the other guy, and he's a Harvard Medical guy.

Harvard is a top medical school, so this is an important person. He is no doubt on advisory boards and govts listen to his advice. 

 

Palmer seems like a decent sort, but once again, he's someone who, when it comes to COVID and vaccines, is operating outside his area of medical expertise.

 

From his official bio:

 

"Dr. Christopher M. Palmer is a Harvard psychiatrist and researcher working at the interface of metabolism and mental health.... He has been pioneering the use of the medical ketogenic diet in the treatment of psychiatric disorders.... Dr. Palmer’s clinical practice has focused on helping people suffering from treatment-resistant mental illnesses, including mood disorders, psychotic disorders, and personality disorders."

 

https://www.chrispalmermd.com/chris-palmer/

 

For me, psychiatrists are not usually the first people I would likely go seeking out advice from on COVID and vaccines. Same with podiatrists, chiropractors, gynecologists, etc etc... even if they hold positions at Harvard!

 

 

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Psychiatrists are not usually the first people I would likely go seeking out advice from on COVID and vaccines. Same with podiatrists, chiropractors, gynecologists, etc etc... even if they hold positions at Harvard!

 

Not sure what you mean.

Autism is considered a psychiatric / neurodegenerative disorder isn't it? 

 

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Not sure what you mean.

Autism is considered a psychiatric / neurodegenerative disorder isn't it? 

 

 

I wasn't approaching him and the topic strictly on the basis of autism, but more broadly on general issues of COVID and childhood vaccines.  Although, in my quick read of his bio, I didn't see any mention of him have any expertise in that field (autism).

 

Also, I wasn't focusing on autism as an issue because it's pretty well-settled science after MANY studies internationally that there's NO connection between childhood vaccines and autism.

 

"Why Don't Scientists Just Prove Vaccines Don't Cause Autism?"

"This question gets at a fundamental challenge in science communication. As I explained to readers, science rarely deals in absolutes. We can't prove a negative with 100% certainty. What we have instead is overwhelming convergent evidence: over 40 high-quality studies involving 5.6 million children across seven countries, all finding no connection. The Institute of Medicine, after reviewing all available evidence, concluded vaccines do not cause autism. This is as close to certainty as science gets."

 

https://theunbiasedscipod.substack.com/p/one-week-later-reflecting-on-the

 

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Also, I wasn't focusing on autism as an issue because it's pretty well-settled science after MANY studies internationally that there's NO connection between childhood vaccines and autism.

 

I would have to go back and re-watch the video.

He claims a mother did win a lawsuit. The judge ruled that the vaccine injury caused some neurological disorder, although I'm not sure if he said it was autism. There is at least one trial case that demonstrates a link with the vaccine. 

Again, if you think this information is not valid, that's fine. But for me it answers most of my questions. 

 

At the end of the day, most people are like horses with blinders. They only want to hear what they want to hear and then find a source that agrees with them. 

 

So I don't expect the anti vaxxers to come on here and tell me they agree with anything Dr. Palmer is saying.