3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Thanks for that Trans bro.

 

Not all the medical world Sir. Just a huge slice of it. And yes! They are wrong.Completely wrong. Although many of them deliberately so. $$$$$

 

I'm not a doctor. I was a physiologist back in the day.

You were sent packing...................?  🤫

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You were sent packing...................?  🤫

I was asked to leave medical school. My exchange terminated. That's true.

 

Asked too many questions.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

I was asked to leave medical school. My exchange terminated. That's true.

 

Asked too many questions.

I think I can understand their stance.............😬

Just now, transam said:

I think I can understand their stance.............😬

Really!?

 

The Professor was under the influence. Tried to belittle me in front of some students. Fortunately (or unfortunately as it turned out) I knew my stuff and could defend my stance.

 

Got called in by my personal tutor; Mike Yates (the father of international runner; Matt Yates) informing me that the student exchange had finished. He was none best pleased about it. But, said to me as I left his office, and I'll never forget it; "Doctors never ask questions. Physiologists always do."

 

That's as true today as it was all that time ago (50 years). Inquisitive doctors do not do well.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Really!?

 

The Professor was under the influence. Tried to belittle me in front of some students. Fortunately (or unfortunately as it turned out) I knew my stuff and could defend my stance.

 

Got called in by my personal tutor; Mike Yates (the father of international runner; Matt Yates) informing me that the student exchange had finished. He was none best pleased about it. But, said to me as I left his office, and I'll never forget it; "Doctors never ask questions. Physiologists always do."

 

That's as true today as it was all that time ago (50 years). Inquisitive doctors do not do well.

And so now you just try and trash anything to do with medicine because of it......🫡

 

Which does put a new light on your medical vindictiveness on here....😒

11 minutes ago, transam said:

And so now you just try and trash anything to do with medicine because of it......🫡

 

Which does put a new light on your medical vindictiveness on here....😒

Physiologists are constantly pushing boundaries. Trying not only to understand the workings of the body, but how that knowledge can be utilised.

 

My specialist area at Uni, in my final year, was human energy systems. How, and why, the body moves.

17 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

My view on viruses coincides with Stiddle Mump > people have been brainwashed to believe that the 'viruses' seen with electron-microscopy are living organisms that when transmitted can make you sick (the Big Bad Germ theory).  It's much more plausible that those viruses are dead inert cell-debris.

 

So you are also suggesting the flu doesn't exist?

People never get sick with the flu? 

 

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I was asked to leave medical school. My exchange terminated. That's true.

 

Asked too many questions.

 

So now you're holding a grudge against the entire medical establishment. 

 

To the extent that virtually everything about medicine is bs.

And no one needs doctors ever because it's all fake. 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

So now you're holding a grudge against the entire medical establishment. 

 

To the extent that virtually everything about medicine is bs.

And no one needs doctors ever because it's all fake. 

 

It's called, revenge..............

10 hours ago, transam said:

It's called, revenge..............

 

He is holding a serious grudge.

Which is prevalent among many conspiracy guys who has lost their licences.

They are no longer able to remain objective because they are seeking revenge. 

Exactly.

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Those falling for false teachings = the vaccinated.

 

Poisonous cult = white-coats, scientists & regulators.

Those with only a smidgen of actual knowledge professing to have the answers to very complex medical matters:

textbook Dunning-Kreuger examples.

 

In this case, you're Cinderella as the shoe fits perfectly.

 

 

AI says:

 

The main characteristics of the Dunning-Kruger effect are that individuals with low competence in a given area tend to overestimate their own ability, fail to recognize their incompetence, and lack the skills to accurately judge their performance or the expertise of others.

 

For individuals with low competence:

Overestimation of skills: They believe they are more skilled or knowledgeable than they actually are, often leading to overconfidence.

Inability to recognize errors: Their lack of expertise prevents them from identifying their own mistakes and inadequacies.

Difficulty recognizing expertise in others: They tend to undervalue the skills of genuinely competent people.

Resistance to feedback: They may be dismissive of constructive criticism or advice from more experienced individuals.

Overreliance on intuition: They may make decisions based on gut feelings rather than evidence or data, as a result of their limited knowledge. 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

So you are also suggesting the flu doesn't exist?

People never get sick with the flu? 

I know not addressed to me, but could I respond?

 

People do not get sick with the flu. We feel poorly because the body is ridding itself of the undesirables, the symptoms of which can be very uncomfortable. These undesirables could have been stored away for months. Embedded in our tissues, trapped in or membranes. When the time arrives the body says 'go, go go' and detoxification begins.

 

The Flu (the symptoms of the flu) are the cure.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I know not addressed to me, but could I respond?

 

People do not get sick with the flu. We feel poorly because the body is ridding itself of the undesirables, the symptoms of which can be very uncomfortable. These undesirables could have been stored away for months. Embedded in our tissues, trapped in or membranes. When the time arrives the body says 'go, go go' and detoxification begins.

 

The Flu (the symptoms of the flu) are the cure.

You, are not a doctor or scientist, you have told us you are a reject from the profession, but I think we are all very happy you told us, though your chum Red Thingy won't be....😡

11 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I know not addressed to me, but could I respond?

 

People do not get sick with the flu. We feel poorly because the body is ridding itself of the undesirables, the symptoms of which can be very uncomfortable. These undesirables could have been stored away for months. Embedded in our tissues, trapped in or membranes. When the time arrives the body says 'go, go go' and detoxification begins.

 

The Flu (the symptoms of the flu) are the cure.

 

Yes, right.

 

But .... we are living in a capitalist system.

 

"Detoxification" is debilitating and people cannot work while this is taking place. So from your employer's perspective, you're sick. 

 

So how long does it take most people to detox? 2 days? 1 week?

That's lost time at work.

And maybe that was where the motivation to vaccinate people came from -- to minimize sick days at work. 

 

And this is assuming that the flu doesn't cause complications in people whose immune system is too weak to go through this detoxification process. I'm not sure. I never had complications from the flu, but I'm not sure that some elderly people don't because their bodies are too weak. There must be plenty of documented cases where complications have arisen from the flu. 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

So you are also suggesting the flu doesn't exist?

People never get sick with the flu? 

 

The flu definitely exists, but it is not caused by air-borne living viruses that are out 'to get us'.  Like Stiddle Mump already countless times explained it is a natural mechanism by which the body gets rid of built-up toxins.  

31 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

So now you're holding a grudge against the entire medical establishment. 

 

To the extent that virtually everything about medicine is bs.

And no one needs doctors ever because it's all fake. 

 

 

Stiddle Mump never said or even implied anything of what you 'deduct' .  

Read what he writes, and TRY to understand instead of making 'thick as a brick' faulty assumptions.  

11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The flu definitely exists, but it is not caused by air-borne living viruses that are out 'to get us'.  Like Stiddle Mump already countless times explained it is a natural mechanism by which the body gets rid of built-up toxins.  

 

This is from AI:

I am not going to do a background check. I don't have time.

AI is not always accurate, but here goes anyway.

However you wish to define the flu, the fact is that it appears it can cause serious problems for some people.

Hence one of the motivations for a vaccine. 

 

• Anyone can get the flu, but it is more likely to cause severe illness in certain groups, including the elderly, young children, pregnant people, and those with chronic health conditions. 

11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

The flu definitely exists, but it is not caused by air-borne living viruses that are out 'to get us'.  Like Stiddle Mump already countless times explained it is a natural mechanism by which the body gets rid of built-up toxins.  

 

Toxins from what? 

The body just decides to wake up one morning and rid itself of random toxins?

This is not plausible as we all have constnat accumulation of toxins from the air we breathe, the water, the food. 

 

So what triggers this detoxification process?

Also note that the flu vaccine is generally administered in winter months (at least where I come from), where the flu is most common. 

 

You haven't provided an explanation as to what triggers this detoxification process. 

 

52 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yes, right.

 

But .... we are living in a capitalist system.

 

"Detoxification" is debilitating and people cannot work while this is taking place.

 

So how long does it take most people to detox? 2 days? 1 week?

That's lost time at work.

And maybe that was where the motivation to vaccinate people came from -- to minimize sick days at work. 

 

And this is assuming that the flu doesn't cause complications in people whose immune system is too weak to go through this detoxification process. I'm not sure. I never had complications from the flu, but I'm not sure that some elderly people don't because their bodies are too weak. 

Of course people get ill. There are a multitude of reasons why. And many start from before we are even conceived. And crucially, while we are in the womb. (See my essays on TT).

 

But once we we do pop out, it's a whole new ball game. We are dependent upon mother's milk (ideally), and really need nothing else, nutritionally, for at least 18 months. But during that time the babes must be protected from toxicity. Just as they were whilst in the womb.

 

Dr Tom Cowan has a book called 'Common Sense Child Rearing'. Well worth a read.

 

https://www.drtomcowan.com/

 

IMO, giving babes and toddlers vaccines is extreme child abuse. I'm dead set against it; and say as much.

 

This immune stuff is IMO, a red herring. We all live in a body that will defend, protect and maintain our good health. But!! This depends upon the tools the body has to do these things. We are nature. Nature is us. We are the earth. The earth is what we eat. We are what we eat. Today's food and drink is tomorrows, tissues and cells. And importantly, having a full compliment of minerals is essential in fighting of complex modern man-made poisons. As, and when. they arrive.

 

We, as humans, need certain minerals and vitamins (good nutrition) to allow regeneration, cell function, efficient energy cycles, and general vitality. Vitamins are easier to get inside us. Minerals not so. Read my mini-essays on food. There are about 60 minerals that we need for optimal energy functions. Due to various reasons. One being modern processed food. Another being poor soils. Another being injecting our meats with poisons. We do not get them. Either at all, or in sufficient and/or regular quantities.

 

Good health is simple. White-coats, Big Pharma $$$$ and our own ignorance, make ill-health far more prevalent than it should be. Especially in the west.

 

Nature is crying right now.

 

46 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Toxins from what? 

The body just decides to wake up one morning and rid itself of random toxins?

This is not plausible as we all have constnat accumulation of toxins from the air we breathe, the water, the food. 

 

So what triggers this detoxification process?

Also note that the flu vaccine is generally administered in winter months (at least where I come from), where the flu is most common. 

 

You haven't provided an explanation as to what triggers this detoxification process. 

 

Again, not addressed to me, but could I answer it.

 

During the course of a year we 'might', depending upon our diet, environment and lifestyle, take in toxic material. If our bodies are in tip-top shape we might get rid of them in real time. A little cough, a feeling of not being well, off our food, a little fever, rasping throat, the runs etc. Apart from a short period of feeling unwell, and perhaps some inconvenience, we are soon good to go. Might happen a few times during the year; but easily taken in our stride.

 

For those who are not in the best of health, the body, for protective reasons, simply coats the undesirables and hides them away where they will not usually interfere with normal functions. This is especially the case where toxic air, smoke or chemicals have been inhaled.

 

Autumn arrives. The body knows that changes are coming, and does not want to carry the acquired junk into the cold months, where is could do serious harm. So! What then is the trigger for the flu symptoms to emerge? For me; I don't know. But some think it is simply a drop in daytime temperatures. Others reckon it's a drop in the moisture in the air. Others - including Dr Roytas - put the trigger down to lung PH.

 

A bit like the leaves falling from the trees at roughly the same time. It's that wonderful thing called nature.

An off-topic trolling post and ensuing reply have been removed.

 

12 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Again, not addressed to me, but could I answer it.

 

During the course of a year we 'might', depending upon our diet, environment and lifestyle, take in toxic material. If our bodies are in tip-top shape we might get rid of them in real time. A little cough, a feeling of not being well, off our food, a little fever, rasping throat, the runs etc. Apart from a short period of feeling unwell, and perhaps some inconvenience, we are soon good to go. Might happen a few times during the year; but easily taken in our stride.

 

For those who are not in the best of health, the body, for protective reasons, simply coats the undesirables and hides them away where they will not usually interfere with normal functions. This is especially the case where toxic air, smoke or chemicals have been inhaled.

 

Autumn arrives. The body knows that changes are coming, and does not want to carry the acquired junk into the cold months, where is could do serious harm. So! What then is the trigger for the flu symptoms to emerge? For me; I don't know. But some think it is simply a drop in daytime temperatures. Others reckon it's a drop in the moisture in the air. Others - including Dr Roytas - put the trigger down to lung PH.

 

A bit like the leaves falling from the trees at roughly the same time. It's that wonderful thing called nature.

 

Ok, could be , I suppose.

 

At least you have an (alternate) explanation of some kind. 

 

So we'll leave it at that. I have no time to look into it and get my hands on obscure books. 

 

On 10/30/2025 at 9:44 AM, save the frogs said:

 

But what you people are advocating -- getting rid of all vaccines -- doesn't solve all problems.

 

The flu itself has been associated with cognitive decline. 

 

I would probably take the Yellow-Fever vaxx, if going where that disease was prevalent, even though it is a horrible experience, in many cases. 

The question is, would I be better off with the side-effects of the Yellow-Fever Vaccine (essentially, a case of "less bad" Yellow-Fever), or the wild-disease / and if I were likely to catch it?

That should ALWAYS be the operative question - risk vs benefit. 

The decision should NOT be, "Whatever helps Big-Pharma maximize profits."

10 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

No, I have not yet come across any credible evidence that vaccines - yep ANY vaccine - are useful and effective. 

My conviction is based on first-hand personal observation AND delving into studies and articles from both pro- and anti-vaxxers, as well as having a completely different view on health and illness than the current materialistic allopathic approach.  

I simply wrote that 'it would be a giant step forward if vaccination would become the rare exception and only applied after careful risk-benefit analysis, rather than the routine practice it has become'.  On hindsight I should have written 'a giant FIRST step'. 

 

My view on viruses coincides with Stiddle Mump > people have been brainwashed to believe that the 'viruses' seen with electron-microscopy are living organisms that when transmitted can make you sick (the Big Bad Germ theory).  It's much more plausible that those viruses are dead inert cell-debris.

 

Ok - so you don't believe such things as viruses exist at all...  Correct ???

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Ok - so you don't believe such things as viruses exist at all...  Correct ???

 

ChatGPT attempts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that viruses do indeed exist:

 

1. Do viruses really exist?

Yes. Viruses definitely exist, and this isn’t just a theory — they’ve been directly seen, measured, isolated, sequenced, and even photographed millions of times.

 

2. The simplest, most direct proofs

A. You can see viruses under an electron microscope

• Since the 1930s, scientists have used electron microscopes (which can see much smaller things than light microscopes) to directly image viruses.

• For example, you can literally find photos of influenza virus particles, HIV, or coronavirus, showing their structure — the protein shell, spikes, and all.

👉 Example: Influenza virus under electron microscope — CDC

That’s not an artist’s drawing; it’s an image of real particles.

 

B. Viruses can be isolated and transferred

If you take fluid from someone infected with a virus (like flu), and carefully filter out everything larger than a virus (bacteria, cells, etc.), the remaining fluid:

• still causes infection when introduced to healthy cells or animals,

• but stops causing infection if you destroy the virus particles (for example, with heat or chemicals).

This proves something smaller than bacteria is causing the disease — and we can identify it as the virus.

 

C. Viral genomes can be sequenced

We can extract the genetic material (DNA or RNA) from a virus, read its exact sequence, and reproduce it synthetically in a lab.
When scientists make just that sequence and insert it into cells, the same virus forms again. That’s solid molecular proof.

 

3. Why some people doubt viruses exist

Some people distrust the medical system or misunderstand how viruses are studied.

 

In one sentence:

We know viruses exist because we can see them, isolate them, sequence their genomes, and reproduce their effects under controlled conditions.

 

 

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

And if you had opted for the vaccine in those instances, would you have escaped flu infection? The only way to know this would be to travel back in time and perform the experiment. There never really was a real consensus on the purported use and benefits of the flu jab.

 

Its impossible to know for sure - thats the thing with such vaccines, it gives anti-vaxxers sufficient wiggle room to 'nay-say'...     But, I haven't been sick when taking the vaccine - thats good enough for me, as I don't buy into any of the 'vaccines do harm' missinformation pushed out by the anti-vaxxers - so there is no downside and only a 'probable' upside to taking the flu vaccine - thats my personal perspective. 

 

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I recall a time, just a few years ago, when my GP, not an antivaxxer by any stretch of the imagination, recommended not vaccinating my then two year-old son because, according to him, it was best to let kids' immune systems do the job naturally. None of his own kids had ever taken it, he added.

 

If my GP suggested not to take the MMR or Polio vaccines - I'd question both his education and qualifications. 

 

Other vaccines are less important, neverless, neither are they harmful....  Allow a kid up build up their own immunity great - thats exactly what vaccines do !!

 

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

We are currently living under a pharmaceutical paradigm, this is a fact. It is also a fact (as I demonstrated in another thread a few weeks ago and you agreed) that doctors are often financially incentivised to vaccinate as many people as possible. It is a business and the model under which 'health care' is governed by business interests is questionable to say the least. It isn't 'conspiracy theory' to say it, it is plainly obvious.

 

I agree this is a concerning issue - but its not a smoking gun that renders vaccines harmful or dangerous - it simply show that the industry requires closer oversight as does any industry that impacts the general public.

 

 

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

ChatGPT attempts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that viruses do indeed exist:

 

1. Do viruses really exist?

Yes. Viruses definitely exist, and this isn’t just a theory — they’ve been directly seen, measured, isolated, sequenced, and even photographed millions of times.

 

2. The simplest, most direct proofs

A. You can see viruses under an electron microscope

• Since the 1930s, scientists have used electron microscopes (which can see much smaller things than light microscopes) to directly image viruses.

• For example, you can literally find photos of influenza virus particles, HIV, or coronavirus, showing their structure — the protein shell, spikes, and all.

👉 Example: Influenza virus under electron microscope — CDC

That’s not an artist’s drawing; it’s an image of real particles.

 

B. Viruses can be isolated and transferred

If you take fluid from someone infected with a virus (like flu), and carefully filter out everything larger than a virus (bacteria, cells, etc.), the remaining fluid:

• still causes infection when introduced to healthy cells or animals,

• but stops causing infection if you destroy the virus particles (for example, with heat or chemicals).

This proves something smaller than bacteria is causing the disease — and we can identify it as the virus.

 

C. Viral genomes can be sequenced

We can extract the genetic material (DNA or RNA) from a virus, read its exact sequence, and reproduce it synthetically in a lab.
When scientists make just that sequence and insert it into cells, the same virus forms again. That’s solid molecular proof.

 

3. Why some people doubt viruses exist

Some people distrust the medical system or misunderstand how viruses are studied.

 

In one sentence:

We know viruses exist because we can see them, isolate them, sequence their genomes, and reproduce their effects under controlled conditions.

 

 

 

Stiddle will just argue its 'cell debris'...         as for the rest, he'll then mumble about white coats and nature having answers.

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Stiddle will just argue its 'cell debris'...         as for the rest, he'll then mumble about white coats and nature having answers.

 

I think I'm done with vaccine threads.

 

33 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

ChatGPT attempts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that viruses do indeed exist:

 

1. Do viruses really exist?

Yes. Viruses definitely exist, and this isn’t just a theory — they’ve been directly seen, measured, isolated, sequenced, and even photographed millions of times.

 

2. The simplest, most direct proofs

A. You can see viruses under an electron microscope

• Since the 1930s, scientists have used electron microscopes (which can see much smaller things than light microscopes) to directly image viruses.

• For example, you can literally find photos of influenza virus particles, HIV, or coronavirus, showing their structure — the protein shell, spikes, and all.

👉 Example: Influenza virus under electron microscope — CDC

That’s not an artist’s drawing; it’s an image of real particles.

 

B. Viruses can be isolated and transferred

If you take fluid from someone infected with a virus (like flu), and carefully filter out everything larger than a virus (bacteria, cells, etc.), the remaining fluid:

• still causes infection when introduced to healthy cells or animals,

• but stops causing infection if you destroy the virus particles (for example, with heat or chemicals).

This proves something smaller than bacteria is causing the disease — and we can identify it as the virus.

 

C. Viral genomes can be sequenced

We can extract the genetic material (DNA or RNA) from a virus, read its exact sequence, and reproduce it synthetically in a lab.
When scientists make just that sequence and insert it into cells, the same virus forms again. That’s solid molecular proof.

 

3. Why some people doubt viruses exist

Some people distrust the medical system or misunderstand how viruses are studied.

 

In one sentence:

We know viruses exist because we can see them, isolate them, sequence their genomes, and reproduce their effects under controlled conditions.

 

 

ChatGPT attempts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that viruses do indeed exist. However. can only go on stuff that is the data base. and Stiddle Mump's musings have been deplatformed and taken out.

 

ChatGPT is telling porkies. No virus has ever been isolated.

7 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

ChatGPT, Grok and Gemini are advanced search engines and nothing else. They operate on a database. A staggering number of people here use them as if they were a vector of Incontrovertible Truth.

When I was involved in the early days of computering**, we had a saying; GIGO.Probably not so applicable nowadays. 

 

** ForTran, COBOL & Basic. Later C & C++. Are they still about I wonder?