1 hour ago, connda said:

Let the summary executions begin.  Start with the Americans.

Spoken like an America hater who has never been on a fishing boat

2 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

You could say the same about the quad boats in Phuket, yet there are many. Koh Larn as well. Should they be targeted too?

Guess you don't know much about boats either

2 hours ago, connda said:

Pretty stupid drug dealer if they mix fentanyl in South America and run it by boat to the US. 

The fentanyl precursors are commercially available chemicals.  You need the equivalent of a chemistry teacher (think Walter White or his Mexican Sinaloa cartel equivalent) to mix the fentanyl in cities within 100 miles of the US border and then walk it to the US border, hand the one or two kilograms package (enough to kill 500K to 1M people according to the DEA) through the slats in the border fence, and toss the payment over the wall - or use crypto.  No need for a three outboard long-boat which has a range of 200 miles to travel 1,300 miles from Venezuela to the US Florida Keys to transport 1 kg of fentanyl which when cut has a street value of over $1 million. All you need is a Mexican "coyote" human and drug trafficker with a day-pack to hand it through the fence.

The "Narco-Terrorists" trafficking boatloads of fentanyl from Venezuela to the US in cartel long-boats in the Caribbean is a nice fairy-tale that is easily swallowed by low-information US citizens, but it's nothing but fiction.  

 

No, the “narco-terrorist boats from Venezuela” aren’t fiction; they’re a documented reality in the cocaine trade.

per the DEA's 2025 National Drug Threat Assessment and UNODC's 2023 World Drug Report (updated 2025 data)

 

While fentanyl precursors are mostly mixed near the U.S. border (Sinaloa/Jalisco labs using Chinese chemicals, ~90% via Mexican land routes), cocaine (the cash cow funding cartels) flows heavily through Venezuelan waters and Caribbean boats, with Tren de Aragua and Sinaloa proxies running go-fasts from Sucre state to islands like Aruba/Curaçao before U.S. handoff.

Venezuela’s not a fentanyl hub, but it’s a prime cocaine transit point: ~200–250 metric tons annually (8–15% of U.S.-bound from South America via Caribbean corridor), with Maduro-linked networks facilitating via ports like La Guaira.

Your “stupid dealer” logic ignores the economics: a 1 kg cocaine brick on a Venezuelan go-fast fetches $30–50K in Aruba, then $100K+ in Florida (worth the 1,300-mile risk for multi-kilo loads).

Boats aren’t for fentanyl (land mules win there), but for cocaine bales ($1M+ street value post-cut).“Coyotes” handle border fentanyl, sure, but Venezuelan boats are real, arming Tren de Aragua’s U.S. cells with cocaine cash for fentanyl ops.

Your “fiction” take cherry-picks fentanyl (not the boat drug) while ignoring the actual cocaine pipeline. Low-info? That’s the folks pretending the Caribbean route doesn’t exist. The boats are real, the strikes may be brutal, but the fairy tale is calling them imaginary.

3 hours ago, connda said:

Very well written.  Better than the one of two sentences puked out by most ideologues to justify the actions of their far-right or far-left government when they commit state-sanctioned murder. You could probably get a job at the State Department.

Maybe i do work at the State Department....

5 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Maybe i do work at the State Department....

 

No you don't, you are the head of the Trump fanboy club

5 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

No, your analogy to "cigarette smugglers or illegal fishermen" is a false equivalence that ignores the legal distinction under international humanitarian law (IHL) and U.S. domestic authority—these aren't mere criminals evading tariffs; they're designated "unlawful combatants" in an "armed conflict" per Trump's June 2025 EO 14112 and the DOJ's classified OLC opinion (leaked October 2025), enabling lethal force against active threats without prior arrest if capture isn't feasible.

The Geneva Conventions (Common Article 3 and Additional Protocol II) explicitly permit such targeting for combatants in non-international armed conflicts who pose an imminent threat—without a "capture first" mandate if it endangers forces (e.g., on a high-seas narco boat armed with RPGs and AKs, as in the September 2 strike).

Labeling them "terrorist drug traffickers" isn't arbitrary—it's based on cartels' paramilitary ops (e.g., Tren de Aragua's 2024 NYC subway attacks, killing 12), fitting IHL's "non-state armed group" criteria for lawful engagement, as upheld in SCOTUS precedents like Hamdan v. Rumsfeld (2006) for al-Qaeda analogs.

This isn't "murder" or racial disregard—it's consistent with Biden-era drone strikes (3,000+ killed in Somalia/Yemen without trials, no Geneva outcry) and Obama precedents (thousands via AUMF against "unlawful combatants").

Common Article 4 and Additional Protocol I says youy are full of sh*t

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The one shown in the video was a fishing boat, pure and simple, no sign of weapons, no resistance whatsoever. Pure murder.

No, that's a selective read of the videos—grainy drone footage from Trump's September 2 Truth Social post and Hegseth's October 3 X clip shows a go-fast speedboat (triple-outboard, low-profile hull, ~40 ft)—not a "fishing boat" with nets or trawls. It's on a known narco-transit route from Venezuela (Sucre state to Aruba/Curaçao, per DEA maps), carrying 11 men confirmed as Tren de Aragua affiliates via intel (armed with AKs/RPGs per DoD briefs, though not visible in the clip due to distance/angle). No "pure and simple" fishermen; these are cartel proxies evading interdiction—strikes hit after ROE confirmation of threat, not random "murder." Your "no sign of weapons" ignores the intel behind the ROE; footage is recon, not a fishing catalog.

 

Now if you are referring to some other video, why not post the link to it, and then it can be assessed?

Just now, Des1 said:

Common Article 4 and Additional Protocol I says youy are full of sh*t

So no rebuttal just an inane rant.....figures!!

Just now, mikeymike100 said:

So no rebuttal just an inane rant.....figures!!

I gave my rebutal with the same inane rant as you.

24 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Spoken like an America hater who has never been on a fishing boat

"Spoken like an America hater who has never been on a fishing boat used to be a commercial fisherman, and who lived and worked on both coasts of the US. 

Yagoda.  Don't double-down on ignorance.  Understand when it time to simply be quiet.  It will keep you from moving from ignorant to simply looking stupid.  But? If you insist. Go ahead an make a fool out of yourself.  Fine my me. 

21 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

The boats are real, the strikes may be brutal, but the fairy tale is calling them imaginary.

 

The boats are real.

 

The strikes are illegal.

13 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

these are cartel proxies evading interdiction—strikes hit after ROE confirmation of threat, not random "murder." Your "no sign of weapons" ignores the intel behind the ROE; footage is recon, not a fishing catalog.

 

There is no interdiction, there is no trial, there is no warning.

 

Just missiles shot off from drones at boats in international waters 1000+ miles from the US coastline.  No threat to the US, no threat to any US forces nearby.

 

Unlawful executions.

 

It's murder.

8 minutes ago, connda said:

"Spoken like an America hater who has never been on a fishing boat used to be a commercial fisherman, and who lived and worked on both coasts of the US. 

Yagoda.  Don't double-down on ignorance.  Understand when it time to simply be quiet.  It will keep you from moving from ignorant to simply looking stupid.  But? If you insist. Go ahead an make a fool out of yourself.  Fine my me. 

Show us pictures of the fishing boats then

2 minutes ago, Des1 said:

I gave my rebutal with the same inane rant as you.

 

10 minutes ago, Des1 said:

I gave my rebutal with the same inane rant as you.

 

Well obviously you are ignorant of what the word Rebuttal means, so I will educate you!

 

Rebuttal, is a  direct, forceful response that refutes or counters a claim, argument, or accusation — usually by exposing flaws, presenting contradictory evidence, or showing why the original statement is false, misleading, or irrelevant.

In debate or discussion, a rebuttal doesn’t just disagree; it actively dismantles the opposing point.

 

You're Welcome!!

10 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

There is no interdiction, there is no trial, there is no warning.

 

Just missiles shot off from drones at boats in international waters 1000+ miles from the US coastline.  No threat to the US, no threat to any US forces nearby.

 

Unlawful executions.

 

It's murder.

 

No.

 

There is warning: hailing, flares, disabling fire — standard ROE before missiles.

 

There is interdiction: US Navy/Coast Guard on-scene, positive ID as armed cartel go-fast.

 

There is threat: 1000 miles out is exactly where they’re intercepted before they reach Florida with RPGs and coke.

 

There is legal authority: NIAC designation + same rules Obama/Biden used for 3000+ drone kills.

 

It’s not murder.
It’s a targeted strike on armed traffickers in an armed conflict.
 

15 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

No.

 

There is warning: hailing, flares, disabling fire — standard ROE before missiles.

 

There is interdiction: US Navy/Coast Guard on-scene, positive ID as armed cartel go-fast.

 

There is threat: 1000 miles out is exactly where they’re intercepted before they reach Florida with RPGs and coke.

 

There is legal authority: NIAC designation + same rules Obama/Biden used for 3000+ drone kills.

 

It’s not murder.
It’s a targeted strike on armed traffickers in an armed conflict.
 

 

Seriously?

 

You're saying the mighty US military is unable to stop and arrest, what is it now..............80  civilian boats............with overwhelming force in the immediate area?

 

You're saying these wily fisherman managed to outwit and outmaneuver F-35's and supercarriers and nukular submarines and frigates and drones and all of our special farces, so we were forced to blow up their boats and double-tap the survivors?

 

Seems we're wasting billions of dollars on our military.  We should just hire these fisherman to guard our coastline.

31 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

No, the “narco-terrorist boats from Venezuela” aren’t fiction; they’re a documented reality in the cocaine trade.

per the DEA's 2025 National Drug Threat Assessment and UNODC's 2023 World Drug Report (updated 2025 data)

 

While fentanyl precursors are mostly mixed near the U.S. border (Sinaloa/Jalisco labs using Chinese chemicals, ~90% via Mexican land routes), cocaine (the cash cow funding cartels) flows heavily through Venezuelan waters and Caribbean boats, with Tren de Aragua and Sinaloa proxies running go-fasts from Sucre state to islands like Aruba/Curaçao before U.S. handoff.

Venezuela’s not a fentanyl hub, but it’s a prime cocaine transit point: ~200–250 metric tons annually (8–15% of U.S.-bound from South America via Caribbean corridor), with Maduro-linked networks facilitating via ports like La Guaira.

Your “stupid dealer” logic ignores the economics: a 1 kg cocaine brick on a Venezuelan go-fast fetches $30–50K in Aruba, then $100K+ in Florida (worth the 1,300-mile risk for multi-kilo loads).

Boats aren’t for fentanyl (land mules win there), but for cocaine bales ($1M+ street value post-cut).“Coyotes” handle border fentanyl, sure, but Venezuelan boats are real, arming Tren de Aragua’s U.S. cells with cocaine cash for fentanyl ops.

Your “fiction” take cherry-picks fentanyl (not the boat drug) while ignoring the actual cocaine pipeline. Low-info? That’s the folks pretending the Caribbean route doesn’t exist. The boats are real, the strikes may be brutal, but the fairy tale is calling them imaginary.

Then I suggest that the US not to stop with Venezuela.  All boats with three or four outboards anywhere in the waters of South America, Central America, and Mexico - and the United States - need to immediately be hit with Hellfire missiles and the crews executed.  Then plan invasions of Columbia, Ecuador, all of Central America, and Mexico that should be preceded by the bombing of all the capital cities of those countries as the governments are all cohort of the cartels, not just Venezuela.  Show them all that Uncle Sam isn't fooling around and that he means business. 💯

My "stupid dealer" logic does not ignore risk. No one is using that method to traffic fentanyl, but?  Your friends in the State Department and Department of War have fed the American public the line that Venezuela is trafficking fentanyl via long-boats. That's nonsense. Coke? Sure.  But if I was in that market I'd defer to the Barry Seal method.

Really my man.  If you want to stop illegal drugs.  Start summarily executing the users.  Economic states that if their is no demand, then there is no supply.  That will slow it down.  

Or deal with reality.  There is too much money in drugs, too many people want to get high, and  The War On Drugs is unwinnable.  Virtually all politicians are for sale.  And the rhetoric about Venezuela has nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with oil and natural resources.  And the summary execution of anyone in a tri or quad outboard is just US d**k swinging. It's being done because they can.  

49 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

No, that's a selective read of the videos—grainy drone footage from Trump's September 2 Truth Social post and Hegseth's October 3 X clip shows a go-fast speedboat (triple-outboard, low-profile hull, ~40 ft)—not a "fishing boat" with nets or trawls. It's on a known narco-transit route from Venezuela (Sucre state to Aruba/Curaçao, per DEA maps), carrying 11 men confirmed as Tren de Aragua affiliates via intel (armed with AKs/RPGs per DoD briefs, though not visible in the clip due to distance/angle). No "pure and simple" fishermen; these are cartel proxies evading interdiction—strikes hit after ROE confirmation of threat, not random "murder." Your "no sign of weapons" ignores the intel behind the ROE; footage is recon, not a fishing catalog.

 

Now if you are referring to some other video, why not post the link to it, and then it can be assessed?

Finally, the intel is available. Please show the rest of us.

3 minutes ago, connda said:

And the summary execution of anyone in a tri or quad outboard is just US d**k swinging. It's being done because they can.  

 

Rules-based international order.

 

We set the precedent.  Now Xi and Putin and the Mullahs have the right to execute anyone, anywhere if they are deemed a threat to national security.

 

Can't complain to the Security Council if Kim blows up some South Korean boats claiming they were spying, or Xi blows some Philippine boats out of the water that crossed the 9-dash line.

32 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

 

Well obviously you are ignorant of what the word Rebuttal means, so I will educate you!

 

Rebuttal, is a  direct, forceful response that refutes or counters a claim, argument, or accusation — usually by exposing flaws, presenting contradictory evidence, or showing why the original statement is false, misleading, or irrelevant.

In debate or discussion, a rebuttal doesn’t just disagree; it actively dismantles the opposing point.

 

You're Welcome!!

Thanks!

 

1 hour ago, mikeymike100 said:

Your “stupid dealer” logic ignores the economics: a 1 kg cocaine brick on a Venezuelan go-fast fetches $30–50K in Aruba, then $100K+ in Florida (worth the 1,300-mile risk for multi-kilo loads).

Boats aren’t for fentanyl (land mules win there), but for cocaine bales ($1M+ street value post-cut).“Coyotes” handle border fentanyl, sure, but Venezuelan boats are real, arming Tren de Aragua’s U.S. cells with cocaine cash for fentanyl ops.

You must be absolutely livid,  then, about Twitler pardoning the ex-Honduran president for importing tons of the deadly, TdA-arming cocaine into the US.

Waiting for your blistering condemnation. Try to shed your Twitler Defense Syndrome.

7 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Seriously?

 

You're saying the mighty US military is unable to stop and arrest, what is it now..............80  civilian boats............with overwhelming force in the immediate area?

 

You're saying these wily fisherman managed to outwit and outmaneuver F-35's and supercarriers and nukular submarines and frigates and drones and all of our special farces, so we were forced to blow up their boats and double-tap the survivors?

 

Seems we're wasting billions of dollars on our military.  We should just hire these fisherman to guard our coastline.

 

No "no live fire" requirement: IHL allows strikes on imminent threats without shots fired first—same as Obama's 3,000+ drone kills.

Not 80 boats: 14–21 strikes since September, killing 61–83 cartel operatives (DoD data), not civilians.

 

Not outwitted: Warnings, flares, disabling shots precede missiles; ROE vetted by JAGs. No F-35s/supercarriers needed—drones and P-8s handle it.

 

Your sarcasm dodges the reality: Cartels fund 100,000+ U.S. deaths yearly with armed ops. Strikes are brutal but legal under NIAC rules every admin uses. Hire fishermen? Tell that to the Border Patrol they've murdered.

8 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

No "no live fire" requirement: IHL allows strikes on imminent threats without shots fired first—same as Obama's 3,000+ drone kills.

Not 80 boats: 14–21 strikes since September, killing 61–83 cartel operatives (DoD data), not civilians.

 

Not outwitted: Warnings, flares, disabling shots precede missiles; ROE vetted by JAGs. No F-35s/supercarriers needed—drones and P-8s handle it.

 

Your sarcasm dodges the reality: Cartels fund 100,000+ U.S. deaths yearly with armed ops. Strikes are brutal but legal under NIAC rules every admin uses. Hire fishermen? Tell that to the Border Patrol they've murdered.

DoD and JAGs are Twitler-toadies, after he had fired everyone who might disagree with him..

I'm sure Goebbels assured Hitler that everything they did was legal.

On 11/29/2025 at 2:08 PM, JAG said:

If he said that then he should be arrested, charged and tried.

 

To be pardoned by  Trump a day later...

 

regards worgeordie

5 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

To be pardoned by  Trump a day later...

 

regards worgeordie

Not if they start with Kegbreath's impeachment

On 11/29/2025 at 3:59 PM, Gecko123 said:

What Hegseth is doing is clearly a criminal act.

He should be applauded for this,    Unless of course you like your environment destroyed by drugs and addicts. Im case people have not noticed, the traditional methods don't work,    they never have ,  Well guess what here are a few drug runners who won;t be running any drugs again guaranteed, and no doubt a large quantity of "merchandise" has dissolved safely into the sea

What's not to like ?   unless you are a crackhead of course

33 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

No "no live fire" requirement: IHL allows strikes on imminent threats without shots fired first—same as Obama's 3,000+ drone kills.

Not 80 boats: 14–21 strikes since September, killing 61–83 cartel operatives (DoD data), not civilians.

 

Not outwitted: Warnings, flares, disabling shots precede missiles; ROE vetted by JAGs. No F-35s/supercarriers needed—drones and P-8s handle it.

 

Your sarcasm dodges the reality: Cartels fund 100,000+ U.S. deaths yearly with armed ops. Strikes are brutal but legal under NIAC rules every admin uses. Hire fishermen? Tell that to the Border Patrol they've murdered.

 

My misteak!   I used the number of murders as the number of boats.

 

The US military has killed 83 people in 21 strikes that have destroyed 22 boats as part of a campaign that Washington says is aimed at curtailing the flow of drugs into the United States.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/02/politics/timeline-us-strikes-caribbean-pacific-vis

 

1000+ miles from the US coast = no immediate threat.

No threat at all has been proven, merely weakly alleged.

1 minute ago, NoDisplayName said:

No threat at all has been proven, merely weakly alleged.

and dealt with robustly and appropriately 

1 hour ago, NoDisplayName said:

We set the precedent.  Now Xi and Putin and the Mullahs have the right to execute anyone, anywhere if they are deemed a threat to national security.

They always have had the right,  and on occasions have done just that,     where have you been hiding?     another who thinks the softly softly approach to international drug runners is effective and "fair" 

Absolutely GUILTY under international law. International law forbids murdering people when they have either surrendered or are no longer  a threat. The explicit orders from Hegseth to kill them all, which includes coming back and murdering people who were in the water fighting for their lives, is in direct contravention of international law. 

Looking forward to seeing the little drunk getting his just rewards for this.