13 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

That's just the kind of reasoning that courts love.

Courts allow AI opinions now? Got it.

13 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

The Committee has directed inquiries to the Department, and we will be conducting vigorous oversight to determine the facts related to the circumstances,” said Sens. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.), the Senate committee chair, and Jack Reed (D-R.I.) said. 

Yeah. Hegseth will testify under oath and those accusing him of wrongdoing will never show. Anonymous you know. That means, based on prior Democrat practice, made up or lies. 

The New York Times says differently.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/amy-curtis/2025/12/02/ny-times-exonerates-hegseth-bradley-n2667230

 

It's best to wait a few days for more info on a hot controversy.

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Yeah. Hegseth will testify under oath and those accusing him of wrongdoing will never show. Anonymous you know. That means, based on prior Democrat practice, made up or lies. 

If Hegseth is named in a wrongful death civil matter that is something different like this:

 

 

8 minutes ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

The New York Times says differently.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/amy-curtis/2025/12/02/ny-times-exonerates-hegseth-bradley-n2667230

 

It's best to wait a few days for more info on a hot controversy.

NYTimes headline this morning:

 

Hegseth Says He Did Not See Survivors of Boat Attack Clinging to Wreckage
The defense secretary supported the admiral he said called for the second strike on Sept. 2 against a boat the administration says was smuggling drugs.

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

If Hegseth is named in a wrongful death civil matter that is something different like this:

 

 

whats your point? What is that?

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

NYTimes headline this morning:

 

Hegseth Says He Did Not See Survivors of Boat Attack Clinging to Wreckage
The defense secretary supported the admiral he said called for the second strike on Sept. 2 against a boat the administration says was smuggling drugs.

Guess the accusers should come forward, under oath.

15 minutes ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

The New York Times says differently.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/amy-curtis/2025/12/02/ny-times-exonerates-hegseth-bradley-n2667230

 

It's best to wait a few days for more info on a hot controversy.

That's not what the New York times said, that's what Townhall claims the New York times said.

If you want to post what the New York times says, link to the New York times.

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

whats your point? What is that?

That is a sitting US cabinet secretary being named as a defendant in a civil case as could be Hegseth in a wrongful death civil case.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Guess the accusers should come forward, under oath.

You guess.

22 minutes ago, mymonkeyhusb said:

The New York Times says differently.

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/amy-curtis/2025/12/02/ny-times-exonerates-hegseth-bradley-n2667230

 

It's best to wait a few days for more info on a hot controversy.

Even easier, look at the woke hiveminds narrative and assume the polar opposite. A surefire way to get to the truth of any matter.

31 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Courts allow AI opinions now? Got it.

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Not really

You got this opinion from AI? Was this Version 0.0?

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You got this opinion from AI? Was this Version 0.0?

Either way it's just the obligatory put down.

6 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Either way it's just the obligatory put down.

What else do they ever have.

 

My mates and I were making this the conversation at afternoon tea, and jeez, Im not going to criticize this lawyer for taking his time, the number of legal issues is boggling.

 

Starting off with jurisdictional issues. Otherwise its a simple case, did x wrongfully kill y. But before you even get to that point....

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Starting off with jurisdictional issues.

The Pentagon is in Arlington, VA.

4 hours ago, bubblegum said:

You like the Taksin approach to drugs I guess

no strong feelings on the matter to be honest, Drug dealers here well knew what was happening yet continued their trade, so nobody to blame but themselves

Extra judicial killings, lets call this what it is. In other words a crime.

 

The terrorism label by the WH is just a guise to attempt to get legal under 'war time' rules with the killings in self defense narrative. Fact is the Americans brought this on themselves, its the Americans who are killing themselves dating back to the slack laws on opioid drug use in the 90's leading to a dependency to self harm today. They created the monster and they are now left killing foreigners running a business overseas. This isn't addressing the route cause at home, just typical knee jerk reactive politics the current admin is renown for.  

1 hour ago, Wingate said:

The Armed Services Committee will get the entire video and we'll see.

 

As for "had complete authority to do" does not constitute legality. Again, the video will show who might have given authority for a second strike, and such an order had better not note "survivors", because survivors and second strike violate the Pentagon's own Law of War Manual.

 "law of war manual" which presumably approves carpet bombing and  the use of nuclear weapons  and here you are crying about a few dead drug smugglers,

          Maybe I am wrong and the "war manual" has been updated to include not using "hurty words"     and advice to avoid any chance of misgendering people or generally  causing offence 

2 hours ago, Wingate said:

Obviously you never served. You have no idea what's in the Law of War manual (produced by the Pentagon).

Correct on both points, well done    I have never served and I never will, I have no idea about the contents of law of war book, and I can't say I am particularly interested.  

As far as I am concerned the drug smugglers being turned into fish food and sent to the bottom of the ocean was a much better result than taking them into custody were they would either languish for years at extortionate cost to the taxpayer, or even worse, be released and pardoned , probably with an apology and some compensation, following the endeavours of some leftist "human rights" lawyer

         I cannot understand anybody whinging about this , if it was not for a few idiots obsessive hatred of Trump this incident  would never have been reported in such a negative way it would have been celebrated, and quite rightly too.   Its time for the self flagellation to stop, its not a good look,

1 hour ago, jerrymahoney said:

That is a sitting US cabinet secretary being named as a defendant in a civil case as could be Hegseth in a wrongful death civil case.

So? Thats what lawsuits are for. Another lawsuit. Whoopee

 

 

33 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The Pentagon is in Arlington, VA.

Thats venue and personal jurisdiction. Subject matter? Under the Federal Tort Claims Act?

32 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

Extra judicial killings, lets call this what it is. In other words a crime.

 

The terrorism label by the WH is just a guise to attempt to get legal under 'war time' rules with the killings in self defense narrative. Fact is the Americans brought this on themselves, its the Americans who are killing themselves dating back to the slack laws on opioid drug use in the 90's leading to a dependency to self harm today. They created the monster and they are now left killing foreigners running a business overseas. This isn't addressing the route cause at home, just typical knee jerk reactive politics the current admin is renown for.  

You support terrorism against the USA. Guess we know that

Troll post removed @CallumWK

13 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Thats venue and personal jurisdiction. Subject matter? Under the Federal Tort Claims Act?

No problem. They just fill out the form.

7 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

No problem. They just fill out the form.

Bro, LOL, I know, I still have the forms in my form file.

 

I think the issue goes beyond the Form. I guess it would be phrased as "can a court exersize subject matter jurisdiction over a tort claim against the US in a situation where...."

 

 

11 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Bro, LOL, I know, I still have the forms in my form file.

Then the lawyer involved if he isn't a total neophyte will have to figure that out.

_________________________________

Wewll Whoda Thunk?

 

Colombian family files first known formal complaint over deadly US strike in Caribbean

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/02/americas/colombia-caribbean-boat-strike-iachr-complaint-intl-latam

 

7 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Then the lawyer involved if he isn't a total neophyte will have to figure that out.

_________________________________

Wewll Whoda Thunk?

 

Colombian family files first known formal complaint over deadly US strike in Caribbean

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/12/02/americas/colombia-caribbean-boat-strike-iachr-complaint-intl-latam

 

Not the first time he has done that. If he is so sure about SMJ, why isnt he filing in a real Court

 

49 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

 I cannot understand anybody whinging about this

That's OK, some of us have difficulty grasping concepts and learning new ideas outside our own insulated spheres. Simply put it takes two to tango. You got the sellers and the buyers in the illegal drugs trade. Killing only one of them in extremely questionable circumstances ain't going to fix the other. Its just adding illegal killers into the equation innit.

4 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

Hegseth cites ‘fog of war’ in defending follow-on strike on alleged drug boat

 

Updated 3:44 AM GMT+7, December 3, 2025

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Tuesday cited the “fog of war” in defending a follow-up strike on an alleged drug-carrying boat in the Caribbean Sea in early September.

 

During a Cabinet meeting at the White House, Hegseth said he did not see any survivors in the water, saying the vessel “exploded in fire, smoke, you can’t see anything. ... This is called the fog of war.”

 

Hegseth also said he “didn’t stick around” for the remainder of the Sept. 2 mission following the initial strike and the admiral in charge “made the right call” in ordering the second hit, which he “had complete authority to do.”

 

https://apnews.com/article/hegseth-trump-venezuela-540ae279827e02105e089f1bd5af37a6

It's not the fog of war, it's the fog of Little Pete, his tiny brain, his unprecedented lack of experience, and his gross incompetence. 

 

But small man like him will put any excuse out there to try to deflect blame for a rather huge error. 

59 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Correct on both points, well done    I have never served and I never will, I have no idea about the contents of law of war book, and I can't say I am particularly interested.  

As far as I am concerned the drug smugglers being turned into fish food and sent to the bottom of the ocean was a much better result than taking them into custody were they would either languish for years at extortionate cost to the taxpayer, or even worse, be released and pardoned , probably with an apology and some compensation, following the endeavours of some leftist "human rights" lawyer

         I cannot understand anybody whinging about this , if it was not for a few idiots obsessive hatred of Trump this incident  would never have been reported in such a negative way it would have been celebrated, and quite rightly too.   Its time for the self flagellation to stop, its not a good look,

Well ignoring all laws of international order is not a good look either, it makes the US look rather lawless and more and more like a Banana Republic, completely outside any behavioral norms. The life of Petie and Don.