7 hours ago, Tug said:

I was raised on a schooner coming up in the 50s and 60s on the water it reeked of oil and rainbow hues because of the oil slickes trash everywhere as I’ve continued to live my life things on the water have improved considerably…..now just in my area San Diego you would be hard pressed to see ANY TRASH floating around nore any oil slicks so nope you are mistaken things have improved big time!

Thats because of 2 stroke engines which don't exist on the water anymore. If you understood how that motor worked, you'd understand the sheen.

6 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Helping to make fuel more affordable? Really?

 

Natural Gas Rises Further to 3-Year High
2025-12-03 18:57
US natural gas futures rose to a three-year high of $4.95/MMBtu in early December, soaring 65% since the lows from mid-October amid a backdrop of soaring export demand.

European countries extended their shun of Russian natural gas and confirmed the complete phase out of Russian LNG by the end of 2027.

This coincided with fresh evidence that US LNG exports rose 40% annually in November to 10.7 million tonnes, even though producers continued increasing output.

https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/natural-gas/news/507055

 

Trump is pushing hard to build even more LNG exporting facilities. Which will tend to keep natural gas prices higher in the USA. And to keep those prices high, he's trying to shut down Russia's LNG exports.

 

EU to ban Russian LNG imports under pressure from Trump

EU sources confirmed on Friday that the European Union intends to ban Russian LNG imports a year sooner than originally planned as part of the 19th package against Moscow. This change was reportedly prompted by President Donald Trump's pressure.

When it presents its package to EU envoys on Friday, the European Commission, which is the executive branch of the bloc's 27 members, will propose to bring the ban forward until Jan. 1, 2027. In general, sanctions must be approved by the majority of EU member states.

https://www.worldenergynews.com/news/ban-russian-lng-imports-under-pressure-from-765684?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Thats a great thing for America. Our NG stores have been full for years, we burn the excess and or stop production when we can. It'll be great to not waste it anymore.

33 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

I bet you also have a big caravan in a lovely park

1.

British English

a vehicle equipped for living in, typically a trailer towed by a car and used when traveling for recreation.

 

No, I don't. Why do you ask?

2 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Thats a great thing for America. Our NG stores have been full for years, we burn the excess and or stop production when we can. It'll be great to not waste it anymore.

Any evidence that this is happening or will happen?

From AI

Reasons for flaring

• Economic infeasibility: Capturing and processing the gas may cost more than the gas is worth, particularly if drilling is in a remote location or if the volumes are small.
• Infrastructure limitations: There may not be pipelines or other infrastructure to move the gas to a market, or existing pipelines may be at capacity or undergoing maintenance.
• Safety reasons: Flaring is a safe way to release built-up pressure in equipment to prevent explosions, such as during well start-ups or during a "kick" (an uncontrolled release of formation fluids).
• Operational necessity: Gas may be flared during the process of getting an oil field or refinery fully operational and stable, or when there is an emergency shutdown.
• Lack of regulations: In some areas, weak or unenforced regulations and a lack of priority by operators allow flaring to continue, even though it wastes a valuable resource. 

2 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Thats a great thing for America. Our NG stores have been full for years, we burn the excess and or stop production when we can. It'll be great to not waste it anymore.

Great for America. Maybe not so great for Americans facing higher utility bills. Just another reason to build more solar and wind. Last time I checked the price for sunshine and wind was 0.

11 hours ago, darbie-foos said:

worse than bidens record inflation after printing trillions of dollars mister plagiarizer.

As always you continue to ignore the issues and travel backwards in time trying to find a fall guy to blame rather than pinning the blame on your political master for his massive failures, and epic mistakes. 

22 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Any evidence that this is happening or will happen?

From AI

Reasons for flaring

• Economic infeasibility: Capturing and processing the gas may cost more than the gas is worth, particularly if drilling is in a remote location or if the volumes are small.
• Infrastructure limitations: There may not be pipelines or other infrastructure to move the gas to a market, or existing pipelines may be at capacity or undergoing maintenance.
• Safety reasons: Flaring is a safe way to release built-up pressure in equipment to prevent explosions, such as during well start-ups or during a "kick" (an uncontrolled release of formation fluids).
• Operational necessity: Gas may be flared during the process of getting an oil field or refinery fully operational and stable, or when there is an emergency shutdown.
• Lack of regulations: In some areas, weak or unenforced regulations and a lack of priority by operators allow flaring to continue, even though it wastes a valuable resource. 

Yes, I worked in O&G for a long time. Wood Group in particular in their NG gas fields in N. Louisiana,/TX/ARK/Miss/Alabama, Georgia and California,  been going on for 15 yrs that I know of.

 

20 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Great for America. Maybe not so great for Americans facing higher utility bills. Just another reason to build more solar and wind. Last time I checked the price for sunshine and wind was 0.

Not at all basic economics, prices drop as supply increases. Pretty simple to understand.

Most Americans have zero desire to pay subsidies for things that will NEVR work.  Any idea how long the break even point is for even one windmill ? I have no idea but some critical thinking should tell you it would be YEARS before it broke even. Thank god their stopping the subsidies for both wind and solar. Once that happens, those will fade away. Just like every other climate change scam they've come up with.

Just now, Slowhand225 said:

Not at all basic economics, prices drop as supply increases. Pretty simple to understand.

Apparently, what's not so easy for some to understand, is that supply is only 1/2 of the equation. The other part is demand. What happens when America plugs into a huge market abroad?

3 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Most Americans have zero desire to pay subsidies for things that will NEVR work.  Any idea how long the break even point is for even one windmill ? I have no idea but some critical thinking should tell you it would be YEARS before it broke even. Thank god their stopping the subsidies for both wind and solar. Once that happens, those will fade away. Just like every other climate change scam they've come up with.

You should definitely tell that to all those fools in Texas who have built and are still building huge solar and wind projects. And this despite the fact that the Texas has enacted bills that actually favor gas over renewables. You've got nothing.

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

Apparently, what's not so easy for some to understand, is that supply is only 1/2 of the equation. The other part is demand. What happens when America plugs into a huge market abroad?

 

We're building new plants for that reason, they've been on the table since Trumps first term. The demand from new markets already exist, the moneys already there and now its starting.

Just now, Slowhand225 said:

 

We're building new plants for that reason, they've been on the table since Trumps first term. The demand from new markets already exist, the moneys already there and now its starting.

Any links, or is that hear say...........?    🤫

13 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You should definitely tell that to all those fools in Texas who have built and are still building huge solar and wind projects. And this despite the fact that the Texas has enacted bills that actually favor gas over renewables. You've got nothing.

Its a tax write off and they need to spend it. I'm going to assume from your conversation that you don't have experience in production/manufacturing in America. I don't mind explaining it at all but you're missing a lot of the basics

Also, most of the solar is for data centers because they got the subsidies for it.  Once they'er built, there will be no others.

1 minute ago, transam said:

Any links, or is that hear say...........?    🤫

 

From your favorite source, AI.

The U.S. has significant plans for new natural gas (NG) power plants, with developers aiming to add nearly 19 GW of combined-cycle (CCGT) capacity by 2028, driven by growing electricity demand, especially from data centers, and the need for grid reliability as renewables grow. Key areas include the Gulf Coast (LA, TX) and Appalachia, with projects like the Intermountain Power Project (Utah) exploring hydrogen co-firing, while states like Arizona (APS) are planning large gas plants to support AI-driven growth. This build-out follows a slowdown in 2024, with 2025-2028 seeing a major ramp-up. 

3 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

 

We're building new plants for that reason, they've been on the table since Trumps first term. The demand from new markets already exist, the moneys already there and now its starting.

So you agree with me. There's more demand for LNG outside the USA which is contributing to higher gas prices in the US

2 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

 

From your favorite source, AI.

The U.S. has significant plans for new natural gas (NG) power plants, with developers aiming to add nearly 19 GW of combined-cycle (CCGT) capacity by 2028, driven by growing electricity demand, especially from data centers, and the need for grid reliability as renewables grow. Key areas include the Gulf Coast (LA, TX) and Appalachia, with projects like the Intermountain Power Project (Utah) exploring hydrogen co-firing, while states like Arizona (APS) are planning large gas plants to support AI-driven growth. This build-out follows a slowdown in 2024, with 2025-2028 seeing a major ramp-up. 

OK, plans................🤭

Just now, Alan Zweibel said:

So you agree with me. There's more demand for LNG outside the USA which is contributing to higher gas prices in the US

Prices are not higher in America because of demands for LNG outside our borders, how do you figure that. Our supply has nothing to do with anyone else. 
We have too much, all of our salt dome storage is full and has been for years.  We have the ability to produce half again as much as we do today. Open new markets and the shere volumn will lower the prices for everyone.

LNG is not expensive in America today, hasn't been for many, many years.

3 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Its a tax write off and they need to spend it. I'm going to assume from your conversation that you don't have experience in production/manufacturing in America. I don't mind explaining it at all but you're missing a lot of the basics

A tax write-off?  31% of Texas' electricity is provided by wind and solar and you claim it's a tax write-off? Please share with us some link that claims this is the case. Good luck with that.

14 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Merica is awesome, my 5.7 hemi is awesome.

You spelled 'hemi' wrong.

 

It's spelled 'semi'.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

A tax write-off?  31% of Texas' electricity is provided by wind and solar and you claim it's a tax write-off? Please share with us some link that claims this is the case. Good luck with that.

So you don't know how business works, I see that.
31% thats not sustainable. Once the subsidies run out, they will be no longer maintained and removed from service. The ONLY reason they even exist is because of the climate change scam. I for one am happy to see it die.

From your favorite source, AI. 

Yes, both solar and wind energy systems are eligible for significant federal tax credits in the United States, which directly reduce the amount of income tax you owe. For businesses, these investments are also eligible for tax deductions through depreciation. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Prices are not higher in America because of demands for LNG outside our borders, how do you figure that. Our supply has nothing to do with anyone else. 
We have too much, all of our salt dome storage is full and has been for years.  We have the ability to produce half again as much as we do today. Open new markets and the shere volumn will lower the prices for everyone.

LNG is not expensive in America today, hasn't been for many, many years.

This is nuts. As American gas gets more integrated into the world market, you claim that this will not affect domestic gas prices?

Higher U.S. Natural Gas Prices Coming as Demand Boom Outpaces Low-cost Supply, Experts Say

A surge in export demand, coupled with growing domestic power needs, is expected to drive U.S. benchmark Henry Hub natural gas prices higher as resources become exhausted, two experts told NGI.

https://naturalgasintel.com/news/higher-us-natural-gas-prices-coming-as-demand-boom-outpaces-low-cost-supply-experts-say/

1 minute ago, Slowhand225 said:

So you don't know how business works, I see that.
31% thats not sustainable. Once the subsidies run out, they will be no longer maintained and removed from service. The ONLY reason they even exist is because of the climate change scam. I for one am happy to see it die.

From your favorite source, AI. 

Yes, both solar and wind energy systems are eligible for significant federal tax credits in the United States, which directly reduce the amount of income tax you owe. For businesses, these investments are also eligible for tax deductions through depreciation. 

 

Is your claim from The Journal Because I Say So

You got any news from a creditable source to justify your claim that it's not sustainable?

And it's a good thing that Texas isn't passing laws to protect  gas power stations from the competition...oh wait a minute

 

Texas Senate passes bill to upend energy market, spur gas over renewables

The legislation would require half of new power plant capacity come from dispatchable sources other than batteries. Solar and wind developers would pay fees to comply.

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/energy-markets/texas-bill-gas-over-renewables

 

Yes, Wind and solar are eligible for tax credits. But where's your proof that they wouldn't be profitable without them?

Wind and Solar Energy Are Cheaper Than Electricity from Fossil-Fuel Plants

Even without subsidies, renewable energy is staying competitive with power from gas and coal

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wind-and-solar-energy-are-cheaper-than-electricity-from-fossil-fuel-plants/

12 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

So you don't know how business works, I see that.
31% thats not sustainable. Once the subsidies run out, they will be no longer maintained and removed from service. The ONLY reason they even exist is because of the climate change scam. I for one am happy to see it die.

From your favorite source, AI. 

Yes, both solar and wind energy systems are eligible for significant federal tax credits in the United States, which directly reduce the amount of income tax you owe. For businesses, these investments are also eligible for tax deductions through depreciation. 

 

 

Here's another little tidbit for you:

 

Texas created a $7.2B fund for gas plants. Hardly any are being built.

Even with a financial leg-up from taxpayers, builders are backing off gas plans, worried about profitability or that they won’t be able to get a hold of equipment.

When Texas legislators conceived of the Texas Energy Fund in the spring of 2023, its goal of jump-starting the construction of more natural gas power plants to support the state’s strained power grid seemed reasonable.

In the two years since that vote, however, experts say the energy market has turned against the development of gas-fired power plants. Experts and energy companies say the fund’s $7.2 billion worth of low-interest loans and bonus grants may not be appealing enough to overcome those economic headwinds.

“It is a challenging market for natural gas developers right now, and it has been for a good amount of time,” said Walt Baum, CEO of Powering Texans, a trade association representing Calpine, Constellation, NRG, and Vistra, the state’s four largest operators of dispatchable power.

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/fossil-fuels/texas-gas-plant-loans-projects-approved

50 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Here's another little tidbit for you:

 

Texas created a $7.2B fund for gas plants. Hardly any are being built.

Even with a financial leg-up from taxpayers, builders are backing off gas plans, worried about profitability or that they won’t be able to get a hold of equipment.

When Texas legislators conceived of the Texas Energy Fund in the spring of 2023, its goal of jump-starting the construction of more natural gas power plants to support the state’s strained power grid seemed reasonable.

In the two years since that vote, however, experts say the energy market has turned against the development of gas-fired power plants. Experts and energy companies say the fund’s $7.2 billion worth of low-interest loans and bonus grants may not be appealing enough to overcome those economic headwinds.

“It is a challenging market for natural gas developers right now, and it has been for a good amount of time,” said Walt Baum, CEO of Powering Texans, a trade association representing Calpine, Constellation, NRG, and Vistra, the state’s four largest operators of dispatchable power.

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/fossil-fuels/texas-gas-plant-loans-projects-approved

 

That has nothing to do with the plants that are on deck to be built, 8 of them if I remember right

1 hour ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Is your claim from The Journal Because I Say So

You got any news from a creditable source to justify your claim that it's not sustainable?

And it's a good thing that Texas isn't passing laws to protect  gas power stations from the competition...oh wait a minute

 

Texas Senate passes bill to upend energy market, spur gas over renewables

The legislation would require half of new power plant capacity come from dispatchable sources other than batteries. Solar and wind developers would pay fees to comply.

https://www.canarymedia.com/articles/energy-markets/texas-bill-gas-over-renewables

 

Yes, Wind and solar are eligible for tax credits. But where's your proof that they wouldn't be profitable without them?

Wind and Solar Energy Are Cheaper Than Electricity from Fossil-Fuel Plants

Even without subsidies, renewable energy is staying competitive with power from gas and coal

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/wind-and-solar-energy-are-cheaper-than-electricity-from-fossil-fuel-plants/

You clearly have no idea how things are made. Not to mention that much of it is NOT recyclable. 
Heres AI telling you how windmills can't be built or function without oil and oil products, the same is true for the production of solar and all its bits and pieces. Should be common sense and some critical thinking goes a long way.

A wind turbine is primarily made of steel, but its operation and certain components rely on petroleum products for lubrication and as building blocks for composite materials. 

Operational Oil Requirements

Wind turbines use substantial amounts of oil for operation and maintenance, not for fuel (they do not burn oil to create energy). 

Lubrication and Hydraulics: Oil (typically a PAO synthetic oil based on crude) is essential for the smooth function and longevity of mechanical components like the gearbox, pitch, and yaw systems.

Volume: A typical utility-scale wind turbine can hold anywhere from 80 to 800 gallons (approx. 300 to 3,000 liters) of gear oil, and potentially an additional 1,200 gallons for the connected transformer. This oil must be replaced periodically. 

 

1 minute ago, Slowhand225 said:

 

That has nothing to do with the plants that are on deck to be built, 8 of them if I remember right

It has everything to do with the economic viability of natural gas power. Despite the fact that the Texas state government keeps looking for ways to subsidize natural gas power plants, Texas can't find  takers for subsided loans to build more of them.  It seems obvious why. Solar cells are becoming more and more efficient. Battery storage price has sharply declined and keeps on declining.  Gas prices fluctuate sharply. The cost of the "fuel" to power solar and wind is 0 dollars today and 0 dollars forever.

1 minute ago, Slowhand225 said:

You clearly have no idea how things are made. Not to mention that much of it is NOT recyclable. 
Heres AI telling you how windmills can't be built or function without oil and oil products, the same is true for the production of solar and all its bits and pieces. Should be common sense and some critical thinking goes a long way.

A wind turbine is primarily made of steel, but its operation and certain components rely on petroleum products for lubrication and as building blocks for composite materials. 

Operational Oil Requirements

Wind turbines use substantial amounts of oil for operation and maintenance, not for fuel (they do not burn oil to create energy). 

Lubrication and Hydraulics: Oil (typically a PAO synthetic oil based on crude) is essential for the smooth function and longevity of mechanical components like the gearbox, pitch, and yaw systems.

Volume: A typical utility-scale wind turbine can hold anywhere from 80 to 800 gallons (approx. 300 to 3,000 liters) of gear oil, and potentially an additional 1,200 gallons for the connected transformer. This oil must be replaced periodically. 

 

What has this got to do the price advantage of wind power over natural gas plants? Why would it matter even if it was true that I "have no idea how things are made'? On the basis of what you've written so far, you know, actual evidence, I'd say you have no idea how rational rebuttals are constructed.

 

 

1 hour ago, Slowhand225 said:

 

That has nothing to do with the plants that are on deck to be built, 8 of them if I remember right

According to AI there are 4 under construction and a 5th just about to begin. All of them have received subsidies in the form of low cost (3%) loans from the fund established by the Texas state government.

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

You spelled 'hemi' wrong.

 

It's spelled 'semi'.

Get back in your lane.

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What has this got to do the price advantage of wind power over natural gas plants? Why would it matter even if it was true that I "have no idea how things are made'? On the basis of what you've written so far, you know, actual evidence, I'd say you have no idea how rational rebuttals are constructed.

 

 

Because people like you have an agenda and to make it palatable you claim its affordable. You never figure the true cost both pre/post life.
You know that though 

26 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Because people like you have an agenda and to make it palatable you claim its affordable. You never figure the true cost both pre/post life.
You know that though 

Because of the facts are against you, you try to make it personal instead. Sad.