Met police commissioner Mark Rowley says Trump talks 'complete nonsense' about crime in London.

Trump has regularly complained about the level of crime in London, apparently inspired by alarmist reports he has seen on TV or social media, and he criticised the city again in a recent interview with Politico. He said he hated to see what is happening there, and he blamed the mayor, Sadiq Khan.

In an interview last month with GB News, he claimed that there were areas in the capital that were no-go areas for the police, and he claimed sharia law applied there too. He even said the same thing in a speech to the UN in September.

 

Rowley said:

There’s no no-go areas, that’s completely false.

How anybody in America can suggest the UK is violent is completely ridiculous. The homicide rate in London is lower than every single US state. It’s lower than all their big cities. The murder rate in New York last time I looked is three or four times higher than London per capita.

The homicide rate in London is lower than it is in Toronto, it’s lower than Paris, it’s lower than Brussels, it’s lower than Berlin.

 

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You could have left it at "47 talks complete nonsense."

It's hardly surprising that the top cop won't admit his failures in policing and upholding law and order.

Many reports on the web that contradict him.

The murder rate may be lower, but what about stabbings and other crimes.

16 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

It's hardly surprising that the top cop won't admit his failures in policing and upholding law and order.

Many reports on the web that contradict him.

The murder rate may be lower, but what about stabbings and other crimes.

• Homicides: London's homicide rate (around 1.2 per 100k in 2024/2025) is lower than New York (around 4.0) and significantly lower than cities like Chicago (over 22 per 100k) and Philadelphia (over 25 per 100k).
• Violent Crime (General): Despite perceptions, overall violent crime is generally lower in London compared to many large American cities.
• Knife Crime: A significant issue in London, though fatal stabbings are less common than gun homicides in the US, with figures suggesting it's much more likely to be a fatal stabbing in the US (around 0.6 per 100k) versus the UK (around 0.08 per 100k
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Its difficult to compare stats; the Met Police report "knife crime", which includes robbery and possession, as well as stabbings. New York reports just stabbings.

 

If you use knife crime stats for London, New York, you get this

 

 

But if you dig into data provided for the House of Commons, where knife injuries data is available (people hurt in the course of a knife crime, so generally a stabbing), you get a different view

 

 

 

Knives form about 8% of murders in the US. Most murdered people are shot. When comparing knife crime between UK and US, you always have to remember, murderers in the US much prefer firearms to knives. Murderers in the UK find it much more difficult to access firearms. Ultimately, you have to compare murder rates, with the way people are murdered being irrelevant.

 

So you are left with this

 

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The London murder rate is 1.2 per 100,000. Now before anyone starts gloating that all the US cities listed are blue cities, so-called Republican cities has nothing to write home about.

 

Virginia Beach is cited by the FBI as having a "very low"  murder rate, with 3.1 murders per 100,000; more than 2.5 times the London rate, yet Virginia Beach is a seaside town renowned for Spring Break holidays. 45% vote for the Democrats in 2024, Republican Mayor can take the credit for a city where you are almost 2.6 times more likely to end your life than in Khan's London. The most Republican city on my list, with 35% vote for the Libtards, is Tulsa, full of Good Ol' Boys who like nothiabout these numbersng better than listening to a bit of Garth Brookes. 16,5 murders per 100,000. <deleted> hell.

 

Americans have got such a blinker about these numbers, its worth putting this in some perspective.

 

Baghdad many would consider some sort of hellhole. In 2008, the murder rate was 48 per 100k. They've got it down to about 11 per 100k, but that's still the worst in the Arab world.

 

Karachi, a city full of shonky Khyber Pass knock off AKs and AR15, 10 per 100k. Its pretty much the worst in Asia. Damascus is supposed to be up there as well. Still better than Republican Tulsa or Democrat Hartford (23.4 murders/100,000).

 

Kabul; 2021, was about 4 per 100k.

 

Manila; 4.3 per 100k

 

 

 

Do I need to hire PMCs when visiting Tulsa? 

 

The place where don't want to be is Durán in Ecuador; 148/100k. South Africa is pretty bad in most places.

 

Political choices obviously do play a role in differing murder rates across America, but even stripping that out, its clear many Americans enjoy killing each other, when given the chance. The high rate of gun ownership is clearly a factor, at over 1.2 guns per capita (number 2 is bizarrely the Falklands, with 0.6 guns per capita), but other factors must be at play.

 

 

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

It's hardly surprising that the top cop won't admit his failures in policing and upholding law and order.

Many reports on the web that contradict him.

The murder rate may be lower, but what about stabbings and other crimes.

 

Quick Answer: Fatal stabbing rates in London are much lower than in major U.S. cities. London’s homicide rate overall is about 1.2 per 100,000, with fatal stabbings around 0.08 per 100,000, while U.S. cities like New York, Chicago, and Philadelphia have homicide rates several times higher, and fatal stabbings in the U.S. average closer to 0.6 per 100,000.

 

🔪 Stabbing & Homicide Rate Comparison

Location	Homicide Rate (per 100k)	Fatal Stabbing Rate (per 100k)	Key Notes
London (UK)	~1.2	~0.08	Knife crime is a concern, but most incidents are non-fatal. Firearms are rare.
New York City	~4.0	Higher than London, but most murders involve guns	Stabbings occur, but gun homicides dominate.
Chicago	~22	Data limited; knives <10% of murders	Extremely high homicide rate, mostly firearm-related.
Philadelphia	~25	Similar to Chicago (knife <10%)	One of the highest homicide rates in the U.S.
United States (overall)	~6.9	~0.6

3 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Many reports on the web that contradict him.

You refer to social media jockeys texting from their mobile devices whilst taking a dump of course. Lots of them around as you are familiar with.

Comparisons with the US numbers don't address the real question, which is whether London is getting safer or less safe under current management and their policies.

 

I don't claim to know the answer, but anecdotal stories indicate that London's numbers are going in the wrong direction.  Even if it's still safer than Blue cities in the USA.

 

 

Trump lying, as usual! 🤣