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Anyone Think Settlements in West Bank Legal?

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I’m struggling to see how anyone can seriously argue that Israeli settlements in the West Bank are legal or legitimate.

Under international law - particularly the Fourth Geneva Convention - they are widely regarded as illegal, and this view is held by the UN, the ICJ, and most governments worldwide. Beyond legality, the moral case also seems deeply flawed given the impact on Palestinian civilians, land rights, and any realistic chance of a negotiated peace.

If anyone here believes the settlements are legal or justified, I’d be interested to hear the argument - but it would need to address these legal rulings and the humanitarian consequences, not just historical or religious claims.

 

In particular Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has advanced plans to build a settlement in the E1 area surrounding East Jerusalem and derail the creation of a Palestinian state.

 

https://www.thenationalnews.com/news/mena/2025/08/14/israeli-far-right-minister-aims-to-bury-idea-of-palestinian-state-with-approval-of-e1-settlements/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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I’d like to hear the argument for these too.  My view is inline with the International judiciary.

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2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I’d like to hear the argument for these too.  My view is inline with the International judiciary.

I started this thread as on other threads the pro Israel people wouldn't answer on other threads, in particular @Evil Penevil

It's like they just want to continue to take land that is not theirs and hope non Israelis don't talk about it.

 

Their only argument is, which is actually none, meaning it does not have the slightest legal foundation:

 

"This is the land of our ancestors, who were the first to live here and our Tora says, God promised it to us so we only fulfill God`s will by taking it back."

 

They intentionally leave out, that before they created Israel about 3000 years ago, the whole area was a part of Egypt.

 

And after the country disappeared 2700 years ago many other countries owned it. 

 

They also leave out that some Jews left the area and moved to North Africa, Southern Europe and Russia and now some people came back claiming to be Jews despite they have only 50% Hebrew DNA.

 

But some Jews stayed, converted to Christianity and later to Islam just to make things easier, and the descendants of those Jews are today known as Palestinians, who carry around 80% Hebrew DNA.

13 minutes ago, Somjot said:

They also leave out that some Jews left the area and moved to North Africa, Southern Europe and Russia and now some people came back claiming to be Jews despite they have only 50% Hebrew DNA.

 

But some Jews stayed, converted to Christianity and later to Islam just to make things easier, and the descendants of those Jews are today known as Palestinians, who carry around 80% Hebrew DNA.

 

Raison d'être is a French term that means "reason for being" or "justification for existence." It refers to the fundamental purpose or motivation behind someone's life or actions.

 

People get ornery if you try to take away their raison d'être, no matter how idiotic.  Ergo, short of mass lobotomies, these Arab Jew & religious battles will never end.

9 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

 

Raison d'être is a French term that means "reason for being" or "justification for existence." It refers to the fundamental purpose or motivation behind someone's life or actions.

 

People get ornery if you try to take away their raison d'être, no matter how idiotic.  Ergo, short of mass lobotomies, these Arab Jew & religious battles will never end.

 

I blew past the editing time allotment on this post.  The point I was trying for is these populations do not want a resolution as such a resolution would destroy their reason(s) for being.

 

No, not legal, but they legitimately exist there now making the chances of two state solution quite remote.

11 hours ago, JimCM said:

It's like they just want to continue to take land that is not theirs and hope non Israelis don't talk about it.

Talk about it or not doesn't matter. Israel is taking it, and everyone is letting it happen.

13 hours ago, stevenl said:

Talk about it or not doesn't matter. Israel is taking it, and everyone is letting it happen.

Who is going to stop us? Your little country with your little army?

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6 hours ago, IDFHero said:

Who is going to stop us? Your little country with your little army?

Thanks for confirming my opinion.

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On 12/13/2025 at 11:30 PM, JimCM said:

I started this thread as on other threads the pro Israel people wouldn't answer on other threads, in particular @Evil Penevil

It's like they just want to continue to take land that is not theirs and hope non Israelis don't talk about it.

 

The strategy is that anyone who opposes the stealing of the land is antisemitic. There is no defense for the breaking of international law.

44 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Thanks for confirming my opinion.

Are you expressing sorrow for the murder of Australian Jews. I did not see. My opinion is also confirmed.

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40 minutes ago, IDFHero said:

Are you expressing sorrow for the murder of Australian Jews. I did not see. My opinion is also confirmed.

Didn't know that was a requirement to have an opinion on Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

 

Did you express sorrow for the children killed in Gaza last week?

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2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Didn't know that was a requirement to have an opinion on Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

 

Did you express sorrow for the children killed in Gaza last week?

Or the land owner Palestinians that were killed so the Jews could take the land.

 

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Didn't know that was a requirement to have an opinion on Israeli settlements in the West Bank.

 

Did you express sorrow for the children killed in Gaza last week?

You mean the terrorists killed

2 hours ago, gargamon said:

Or the land owner Palestinians that were killed so the Jews could take the land.

 

So you are saying Jews are thieves right? Maybe you read too much Nazi stuff. 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

So, do not complain about Anti-Semites, you helped magnificently to create a few.

I do not care why some folks carry that mental illness. I only care that they are out there and my mortal enemy.

A post using extreme and contemptuous language to describe another member was removed. Please debate politely, and if you're unable to do that then please stand down from the conversation. 

 

@Somjot

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On 12/14/2025 at 11:58 PM, IDFHero said:

Who is going to stop us? Your little country with your little army?


The latest manifestation of the well established  Walter Mitty syndrome we have to put up with in Thailand:

 

‘Vietnam Vet’,  ‘Special forces’, ‘SIS’, ‘Navy Seal’ … the list goes on.

 

In the aftermath of every war they show up in Thailand parading their stolen valor.

 

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:


The latest manifestation of the well established  Walter Mitty syndrome we have to put up with in Thailand:

 

‘Vietnam Vet’,  ‘Special forces’, ‘SIS’, ‘Navy Seal’ … the list goes on.

 

In the aftermath of every war they show up in Thailand parading their stolen valor.

 

Who is Walter mitty? You and your country?

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On 12/15/2025 at 7:19 AM, gargamon said:

The strategy is that anyone who opposes the stealing of the land is antisemitic. There is no defense for the breaking of international law.

I agree there is no defence and suspect that's why @Evil Penevil, a prolific Israel supporter doesn't comment.

On 12/13/2025 at 10:30 PM, JimCM said:

I started this thread as on other threads the pro Israel people wouldn't answer on other threads, in particular @Evil Penevil

 

 

 

On 12/15/2025 at 11:34 AM, JimCM said:

@Evil Penevil here is the thread. Why are you avoiding it?

 

11 minutes ago, JimCM said:

I agree there is no defence and suspect that's why @Evil Penevil, a prolific Israel supporter doesn't comment.

 

   He may have put a block on you or maybe he just doesn't want to talk  to you ??

 

On 12/14/2025 at 11:34 PM, JimCM said:

@Evil Penevil here is the thread. Why are you avoiding it?

 

I suggested you start a thread on Israeli settlements in the West Bank to avoid other threads veering off-topic. I didn't say I would rush to participate in it. I was hesitant to post because threads on contentious topics such as settlements seldom yield any positive results.

 

5 hours ago, JimCM said:

I agree there is no defence and suspect that's why @Evil Penevil, a prolific Israel supporter doesn't comment.

 

"Defense" is indeed the key word here.  The defense of the West Bank settlements is the defense of Israel. Tthe security of the Israeli people uh, trumps legality.  :smile:   Until a permanent solution to the Palestine problem can be reached, the people of Israel and their government may have to resort to extraordinary measures, including settlements on the West Bank, to provide comprehensive security.

 

In some cases, the settlements are justified. in other cases they aren't.  I am not a supporter of Weiss, Smotrich,  Ben Gvir, ultranationalists, Messianic Zionists and other politicians and groups which favor broad expansion into the West Bank.

 

The situation is complicated because some of the West Bank settlements were Jewish before the Arab-Israeli War of 1948.  Prior to the foundation of the state of Israel, Jews had legally acquired land on the West Bank in accordance with the laws of the Ottoman Empire or British mandate. Zionists bought the land, they didn't steal it. They were forced out of those settlements during the 1848 war.  Settlers in some cases have taken back land to which Jews had a legal claim.

 

In terms of violation of international law, I agree with the positions described by Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

 

Israeli Settlements and International Law

Attempts to present Jewish settlement in West Bank territory (ancient Judea and Samaria) as illegal and "colonial" in nature ignores the complexity of this issue, the history of the land, and the unique legal circumstances of this case.   https://www.gov.il/en/pages/israeli-settlement-and-international-law

 

A lot can be said in defense of Israeli settlements on the West Bank; you can read more about it on the MOFA Web site 

 

 

On 12/15/2025 at 4:24 AM, IDFHero said:

You mean the terrorists killed

Then many settlers more should had been killed off long time ago if thats the parameters you working with

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2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

"Defense" is indeed the key word here.  The defense of the West Bank settlements is the defense of Israel. Tthe security of the Israeli people uh, trumps legality.  :smile:   Until a permanent solution to the Palestine problem can be reached, the people of Israel and their government may have to resort to extraordinary measures, including settlements on the West Bank, to provide comprehensive security.

 

So you are telling that in case of a permanent solution all the stolen ... err ... taken for defense reasons ...  land will be given back?

 

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

In some cases, the settlements are justified. in other cases they aren't. 

 

The situation is complicated because some of the West Bank settlements were Jewish before the Arab-Israeli War of 1948.  Prior to the foundation of the state of Israel, Jews had legally acquired land on the West Bank in accordance with the laws of the Ottoman Empire or British mandate. Zionists bought the land, they didn't steal it. They were forced out of those settlements during the 1848 war.  Settlers in some cases have taken back land to which Jews had a legal claim.

 

In terms of violation of international law, I agree with the positions described by Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

 

Israeli Settlements and International Law

Attempts to present Jewish settlement in West Bank territory (ancient Judea and Samaria) as illegal and "colonial" in nature ignores the complexity of this issue, the history of the land, and the unique legal circumstances of this case.   https://www.gov.il/en/pages/israeli-settlement-and-international-law

 

A lot can be said in defense of Israeli settlements on the West Bank; you can read more about it on the MOFA Web site 

 

I read quite a bit of that website, including your link and the part about the mandate,

https://www.gov.il/en/pages/the-mandate-for-palestine

but I did not find a real argument which could justify the settlements according to international law.

 

Actually it isn't that complicated.  

The Counsil of the League of Nations decided in 1920 (without involving the Palestinians in that decision) to “recognize the "historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine" and the "grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country."

Remark: a national home is not the same as a nation-state.

But they also stated:  it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine

Another interesting Article (7)  

There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.

 

It was the Jews who first happily agreed but only in pretense as they wanted a Jewish-only-state, which 28 years later after several terror attacks on the locals and the British by Jewish terrorists was granted to them.

 

They – again – agreed in pretense, took more land than was assigned to them by the partition plan and keep occupying more land since then.

 

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So, as we can see in the map, you are right, when you say, that there were some spots of land in the West Bank which legally belonged to Jews before the partition but in general the Palestinians lost way more land and 750.000 were displaced.

You cannot demand to get that land back or violently take it back, killing Hundreds, while at the same time refuse to return the land belonging to Palestinians before the partition. That`s a bit one sided or double standard and definitely illegal and not justified

11 hours ago, Hummin said:

Then many settlers more should had been killed off long time ago if thats the parameters you working with

We differentiate unlike Muslim terrorist baby killers and rapists.

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13 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

I suggested you start a thread on Israeli settlements in the West Bank to avoid other threads veering off-topic. I didn't say I would rush to participate in it. I was hesitant to post because threads on contentious topics such as settlements seldom yield any positive results.

 

 

"Defense" is indeed the key word here.  The defense of the West Bank settlements is the defense of Israel. Tthe security of the Israeli people uh, trumps legality.  :smile:   Until a permanent solution to the Palestine problem can be reached, the people of Israel and their government may have to resort to extraordinary measures, including settlements on the West Bank, to provide comprehensive security.

 

In some cases, the settlements are justified. in other cases they aren't.  I am not a supporter of Weiss, Smotrich,  Ben Gvir, ultranationalists, Messianic Zionists and other politicians and groups which favor broad expansion into the West Bank.

 

The situation is complicated because some of the West Bank settlements were Jewish before the Arab-Israeli War of 1948.  Prior to the foundation of the state of Israel, Jews had legally acquired land on the West Bank in accordance with the laws of the Ottoman Empire or British mandate. Zionists bought the land, they didn't steal it. They were forced out of those settlements during the 1848 war.  Settlers in some cases have taken back land to which Jews had a legal claim.

 

In terms of violation of international law, I agree with the positions described by Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

 

Israeli Settlements and International Law

Attempts to present Jewish settlement in West Bank territory (ancient Judea and Samaria) as illegal and "colonial" in nature ignores the complexity of this issue, the history of the land, and the unique legal circumstances of this case.   https://www.gov.il/en/pages/israeli-settlement-and-international-law

 

A lot can be said in defense of Israeli settlements on the West Bank; you can read more about it on the MOFA Web site 

 

 

Thanks for replying. I know this issue is a thorn in the side of those who proclaim that Israel can do no wrong, which may explain some of the discomfort around engaging with it.

Firstly, and it really does jump out at me, you say you do not support Weiss, Smotrich, or Ben Gvir, yet you choose to display the Israeli flag as your avatar. You cannot easily separate this symbol from the reality it now represents. These figures are not fringe anomalies; they sit at the heart of the current Israeli government, shape policy, and articulate ideas that enjoy significant public support. They reflect a broader political and social shift within Israel, not an aberration detached from it. To fly the flag while disavowing the people who currently govern in its name is, at the very least, a contradiction. I sincerely hope you can see this.

There really is no “complexity” here in legal terms, whatever political narratives are layered on top of it.

Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank are illegal under international law. This is not a debatable or marginal position - it is the settled view of the UN Security Council, the International Court of Justice, the vast majority of international legal scholars, and every government in the world except Israel and, intermittently, the United States. Article 49(6) of the Fourth Geneva Convention explicitly prohibits an occupying power from transferring its civilian population into occupied territory. The West Bank is occupied territory. The settlements violate that prohibition. Full stop.

Security is not a legal defence. Occupation law exists precisely to restrain “security-based” land grabs. If security concerns justified permanent civilian settlement on occupied land, the entire framework of international humanitarian law would collapse. States could simply occupy, settle, and annex any territory by asserting fear. That is why the argument fails legally and morally.

Nor does historical land purchase prior to 1948 provide a defence. Even if individual Jews owned land before the war - and many claims are disputed or exaggerated - that does not entitle a modern state to occupy territory militarily, displace the current population, impose a separate legal system, and implant hundreds of thousands of its citizens across the territory. Property claims do not override the prohibition on annexation or settlement, and they certainly do not justify collective punishment, expropriation, home demolitions, or forced displacement.

The selective invocation of history is also telling. If pre-1948 land ownership justified settlement, then Palestinians expelled in 1948 would have an even stronger legal and moral claim to return to their homes inside Israel. That claim is categorically rejected by Israel. You cannot apply history in one direction only.

The idea that “some settlements are justified and some aren’t” is a political convenience, not a legal principle. There is no category of “legal settlements” in occupied territory. Outposts, blocs, hilltop farms, ideological settlements, or so-called security settlements all rest on the same unlawful foundation. They fragment Palestinian land, make a viable Palestinian state impossible, and entrench a system of permanent domination.

Finally, citing the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs to justify settlements is circular reasoning. A state accused of violating international law does not get to be the final arbiter of that law. Israel’s legal arguments have been repeatedly rejected by independent international bodies. Repeating them does not make them stronger.

What is happening in the West Bank is not defensive necessity. It is systematic land theft backed by military force, aimed at permanent control of territory while denying political rights to the population living there. That is not complicated. It is aggression, and it is illegal.

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46 minutes ago, IDFHero said:

We differentiate unlike Muslim terrorist baby killers and rapists.

 

 

At least one Palestinian child has been killed every hour on average by Israeli forces in Gaza over nearly 23 months of war, with the number of children killed now surpassing 20,000, Save the Children said.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-20000-children-killed-23-months-war-more-one-child-killed-every-hour

 

 

IDF heroes?

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/11/13/israeli-soldiers-accused-of-rape-are-seeking-public-sympathy#flips-6385047141112:0

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

 

 

At least one Palestinian child has been killed every hour on average by Israeli forces in Gaza over nearly 23 months of war, with the number of children killed now surpassing 20,000, Save the Children said.

https://www.savethechildren.net/news/gaza-20000-children-killed-23-months-war-more-one-child-killed-every-hour

 

 

IDF heroes?

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2025/11/13/israeli-soldiers-accused-of-rape-are-seeking-public-sympathy#flips-6385047141112:0

That will not make any difference to Hamas....🥴

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