December 17, 2025Dec 17 We need to keep these types out of our beautiful western countries especially America add more countries to the list Don
December 17, 2025Dec 17 4 hours ago, CygnusX1 said: I’m a bit confused here. Do you mean that the claim that the October 9 protests were a celebration was from AI? If so, so what? Or do you mean that you took the statement that the October 9 protests were in response to Israel’s military actions in Gaza from AI, and that you now realise that the AI was incorrect, and that the protests couldn’t have been in response to Israel’s later military response? This was the question asked of AI Is there any truth that people were celebrating the October 7 attacks at the Opera house? And this was AI's answer No, the claim that people were “celebrating the October 7 attacks at the Sydney Opera House” is misleading. What actually happened was a pro‑Palestinian protest at the Opera House in October 2023, where some individuals shouted antisemitic slogans such as “Gas the Jews.” This was widely condemned by Australian leaders and Jewish organizations. However, it was not a celebration of the Hamas attacks themselves, and the majority of demonstrators were protesting Israel’s military actions in Gaza, not cheering terrorism
December 17, 2025Dec 17 5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: No, the claim that people were “celebrating the October 7 attacks at the Sydney Opera House” is misleading. What actually happened was a pro‑Palestinian protest at the Opera House in October 2023, where some individuals shouted antisemitic slogans such as “Gas the Jews.” This was widely condemned by Australian leaders and Jewish organizations. However, it was not a celebration of the Hamas attacks themselves, and the majority of demonstrators were protesting Israel’s military actions in Gaza, not cheering terrorism On the days after the Oct 7 th terror attack on Israel , the Australian Government lite the opera house with blue and white lights to show compassion towards Israel due to the atrocities committed by Palestine . Anti Israelis protested about the opera house being lite in blue and white lights . They were showing support for the Palestine cause
December 17, 2025Dec 17 1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said: This was the question asked of AI Is there any truth that people were celebrating the October 7 attacks at the Opera house? And this was AI's answer No, the claim that people were “celebrating the October 7 attacks at the Sydney Opera House” is misleading. What actually happened was a pro‑Palestinian protest at the Opera House in October 2023, where some individuals shouted antisemitic slogans such as “Gas the Jews.” This was widely condemned by Australian leaders and Jewish organizations. However, it was not a celebration of the Hamas attacks themselves, and the majority of demonstrators were protesting Israel’s military actions in Gaza, not cheering terrorism OK, thank you for clearing that up. But isn’t the AI incorrect when it refers to military actions in Gaza by Israel that were not to begin until 23 October?
December 17, 2025Dec 17 Popular Post 6 hours ago, transam said: Correct, but one should be cautious of those who are controlled by a religion forced on them from birth........☺️ I know many people who are religious. Many religions. Mostly because their ancestors are religious. Should I be cautious about all of them? Should I also be cautious of atheists? Non religious types? Like I said, I see the individuals for who they are. Not as a group.
December 17, 2025Dec 17 5 hours ago, EastBayRay said: We need to keep these types out of our beautiful western countries especially America add more countries to the list Don Diversity is now Australia's greatest strength. The strength is spreading. From Manchester Arena to Bondi beach.
December 17, 2025Dec 17 1 minute ago, JonnyF said: Diversity is now Australia's greatest strength. The strength is spreading. From Manchester Arena to Bondi beach. Please don't use the death of these Australians to spread your hate of British Muslims. Yes, Australia’s government describes its multicultural society as a national strength and a central part of its identity.
December 17, 2025Dec 17 13 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: I know many people who are religious. Many religions. Mostly because their ancestors are religious. Should I be cautious about all of them? Should I also be cautious of atheists? Non religious types? Like I said, I see the individuals for who they are. Not as a group. But you don't know what an individual is thinking whilst being a nice guy, well, do you......? 😉
December 17, 2025Dec 17 2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said: This was the question asked of AI Is there any truth that people were celebrating the October 7 attacks at the Opera house? And this was AI's answer No, the claim that people were “celebrating the October 7 attacks at the Sydney Opera House” is misleading. What actually happened was a pro‑Palestinian protest at the Opera House in October 2023, where some individuals shouted antisemitic slogans such as “Gas the Jews.” This was widely condemned by Australian leaders and Jewish organizations. However, it was not a celebration of the Hamas attacks themselves, and the majority of demonstrators were protesting Israel’s military actions in Gaza, not cheering terrorism The problem here is that Israel's plan is to ban all criticism of their continued Genocide, saying it's antisemitic, which it obviously isn't. Lest not forget. Stop antisemitism but not criticism of the terrorist state of Israel,and those that support it. The ceasefire risks creating a dangerous illusion that life in Gaza is returning to normal. But while Israeli authorities and forces have reduced the scale of their attacks and allowed limited amounts of humanitarian aid into Gaza, the world must not be fooled. Israel’s genocide is not over Agnès Callamard, Secretary General of Amnesty International
December 17, 2025Dec 17 4 minutes ago, JimCM said: Please don't use the death of these Australians to spread your hate of British Muslims. "British" Muslims. 😀 4 minutes ago, JimCM said: Yes, Australia’s government describes its multicultural society as a national strength and a central part of its identity. That's because they are inane lefties who refuse to admit the problems they have created. They are too far down the rabbit hole. To admit their guilt now would destroy them. They will double down.
December 17, 2025Dec 17 5 minutes ago, JonnyF said: "British" Muslims. 😀 That's because they are inane lefties who refuse to admit the problems they have created. They are too far down the rabbit hole. To admit their guilt now would destroy them. They will double down. What is funny about British Muslims? I went to school in South London with many of them, they are as British as you or I.
December 17, 2025Dec 17 On 12/14/2025 at 7:38 PM, TedG said: They conveniently ignore that side of the equation. Who, do you mean by "They"? If "They" had killed before, should this shooting be justified?
December 17, 2025Dec 17 19 hours ago, JimCM said: Second, citing “terrorist attacks in the name of Islam” ignores a crucial distinction: who defines terrorism, and in whose interests. Many Muslims engaged in armed struggle today see themselves as freedom fighters resisting occupation, displacement, and what international legal scholars increasingly describe as genocide in Gaza. One may condemn attacks on civilians while still recognising that resistance to occupation is not morally equivalent to nihilistic violence. History is full of movements once labelled “terrorist” that were later recognised as liberation struggles. I know precisely what terrorism is, and anybody who thinks that the Bondi atrocity or the October 7 atrocity is not really terrorism is a very sick individual indeed. Those savages responsible for October 7 and other terrorist attacks are not freedom fighters in any way, shape or form, and it’s shameful to suggest that they could be, especially in the light of Bondi. 19 hours ago, JimCM said: Third, the historical irony is striking. If we are going to draw parallels with Nazi Germany, a more uncomfortable comparison for many is Israel’s current policies of land seizure, ethnic segregation, collective punishment, and expansionism. These are state actions backed by military power, not the actions of a dispersed religious population. One does not have to deny Jewish suffering or Israel’s right to exist to acknowledge that state violence and land greed look far more like 1930s Europe than Islam as a faith ever could. Israel has shown astonishing restraint in the light of collective terrorist attacks over decades. Why do you think they’re world leaders in anti missile defence systems? Any other country would simply have annihilated a neighbouring country firing thousands of rockets at civilians. Land greed? Attack another country and lose, and you tend to lose some of your land, especially as the attacked country needs more space as a buffer from further attacks. West Bank settlers? Yes, bad things have happened there on both sides, like any country, Israel’s not perfect, but violence by some West Bank settlers is no excuse for massacring people. 19 hours ago, JimCM said: Collective guilt is always tempting in times of fear. It was tempting in Nazi Germany, tempting after 9/11, and tempting now. But history also shows us where that road leads. If we want to be serious, moral adults, we should judge actions, not identities, and states by their policies, not peoples by their worst actors. It’s not a matter of collective guilt of all Muslims. It’s a matter of reforming their backward religion in the way that Christianity’s been slowly reformed over hundreds of years. Yes, I totally agree we should judge actions, starting with the long, long list of Islamic atrocities on Wikipedia.
December 17, 2025Dec 17 20 hours ago, blaxon said: The guy who disarmed one of the shooters IS NOT muslim. He is a Lebanese Maronite Christian (an Eastern Catholic Christian denomination) Although the article below holds that arguing about his religion misses the point, it nevertheless confirms that he is a Syrian-born Muslim. The courage of Ahmed Al Ahmed: Why arguing over the Bondi hero’s faith misses the ethical point https://www.abc.net.au/religion/bondi-attack-hero-ahmed-al-ahmed-arguing-about-faith/106148028 Quote Others corrected the record, noting that he is a Syrian-born Arab Muslim from the city of Idlib.
December 18, 2025Dec 18 Off topic references to the Second World War were removed, as were remarks intended to offend adherents of an entire religion (that contravene Rule 15), as were off topic references to the actions of the State of Israel in Gaza, as were posts saying that one or another fellow member has no right to participate in the discussion. Please stay on topic. Thank you.
December 18, 2025Dec 18 23 hours ago, JimCM said: The problem here is that Israel's plan is to ban all criticism of their continued Genocide, saying it's antisemitic, which it obviously isn't. Lest not forget. Stop antisemitism but not criticism of the terrorist state of Israel,and those that support it. The ceasefire risks creating a dangerous illusion that life in Gaza is returning to normal. But while Israeli authorities and forces have reduced the scale of their attacks and allowed limited amounts of humanitarian aid into Gaza, the world must not be fooled. Israel’s genocide is not over Agnès Callamard, Secretary General of Amnesty International I don't believe the mass killing was motivated by events in Gaza. The killers evidently subscribed to ISIS ideology e.g. displayed the ISIS flag on their car windscreen. The father was a licenced gun holder in Australia. His son had been interviewed by Australian intelligence and Federal Police and ascertained not to be an extremist threat. Obviously individuals threat assessment process policy must be renewed, plus one would think if a member of family had been assessed for Islamist ideology you would think it would automatically cancel any gun licence by all members of family. Hopefully law will be updated in coming weeks.
December 18, 2025Dec 18 It definitely would be a meaningful step if Australia does indeed crack down on hate speech against Jews. Chants calling for the death of Jews have become normalized at pro-Palestine demonstrations. For some, it's not a huge step between screaming "Death to the IDF" or "From the river to the sea" and picking up a gun to kill Jews solely because of their religion. Most of the victims at the Bondi massacre were associated with the Bondi Chabad House, including two rabbis. In the past, there have been hate posts on AN about the Chabad Houses in Thailand. Australian PM announces crackdown on hate speech after Bondi shooting Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese says his government will crack down on hate speech following Sunday's deadly shooting at Bondi Beach that targeted a Jewish festival. ... New laws will target "those who spread hate, division and radicalisation", Albanese told reporters in Canberra. The home affairs minister will also be given new powers to cancel or refuse visas for those who spread hate and a new taskforce will be set up to ensure the education system "prevents, tackles and properly responds to antisemitism". https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgmneem1e89o
December 18, 2025Dec 18 On 12/17/2025 at 2:18 AM, radiochaser said: This is an excellent video that condemns terrorism from a Muslim perspective, I just wish there were millions more like him!
December 18, 2025Dec 18 On 12/17/2025 at 4:58 AM, JimCM said: What is funny about British Muslims? I went to school in South London with many of them, they are as British as you or I. Do you have a HAMAS flag over your bed?
December 18, 2025Dec 18 Bondi hero Ahmed al-Ahmed branded a ‘traitor’ for saving Jewish lives Ahmed al-Ahmed faces accusations of treason from Palestinians after his heroic actions saved Jewish lives at Bondi. By Cameron Stewart and Ben Packham December 17, 2025 - 5:00PM Ahmed al-Ahmed tackled and disarmed one of the Bondi Beach attackers. Ahmed al-Ahmed, the Syrian Australian hero who tackled a terrorist gunman and saved the lives of Jews at Bondi, is being attacked in the Arab world as a traitor and a mercenary. Continued https://archive.ph/bEoIO https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bondi-hero-ahmed-alahmed-branded-a-traitor-for-saving-jewish-lives/news-story/f487bace55d0101053ddca0040f2c38b
December 19, 2025Dec 19 On 12/17/2025 at 8:20 AM, JBChiangRai said: (1) Sydney No, that statement is not true. There is no verified evidence that Muslims in Sydney celebrated the Bondi Beach attack. What actually happened was that a video of Christmas fireworks in Bankstown was misrepresented online as “Islamists celebrating the massacre.” AFP Fact Check confirmed the fireworks were part of a pre‑planned Christmas community event and had nothing to do with the shooting. (2) Twin Towers No, that statement is not true. The idea that Muslims in the U.S. broadly celebrated the 9/11 attacks is a myth rooted in misinformation and conspiracy theories. I was referring to muslims in Australia celebrating the twin towers, I saw them doing it, the whole street was packed with them celebrating the death & destruction, these people are mentally defective and do not deserve to be allowed to live in other countries when they are so blood thirsty for non muslims
December 20, 2025Dec 20 On 12/18/2025 at 3:32 PM, nexus7 said: Bondi hero Ahmed al-Ahmed branded a ‘traitor’ for saving Jewish lives Ahmed al-Ahmed faces accusations of treason from Palestinians after his heroic actions saved Jewish lives at Bondi. By Cameron Stewart and Ben Packham December 17, 2025 - 5:00PM Ahmed al-Ahmed tackled and disarmed one of the Bondi Beach attackers. Ahmed al-Ahmed, the Syrian Australian hero who tackled a terrorist gunman and saved the lives of Jews at Bondi, is being attacked in the Arab world as a traitor and a mercenary. Continued https://archive.ph/bEoIO https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/bondi-hero-ahmed-alahmed-branded-a-traitor-for-saving-jewish-lives/news-story/f487bace55d0101053ddca0040f2c38b Two important points in the above article deserve to be highlighted: "The Australian earlier revealed the Hamas terrorist group seized on the Bondi massacre, portraying it as an act of solidarity with its terrorist cause and a justification for its efforts to murder Jews worldwide." Hamas' official television channel, Al-Aqsa TV, claimed Rabbi Eli Schlanger, slain in the Bondi shooting, had met with Israeli soldiers during a trip to Israel “to assist them in the war of annihilation.”. The Palestinian Authority issued a statement in English that condemned the shooting, but failed to acknowledge Jews at a Hanukkah celebration were the targets. it's not uncommon for Islamist and other Arabic groups to say they are against the killing of innocents, but don't mention they consider all Israelis to be legit targets. You can read the Pa statement here: https://www.mofa.pna.ps/en-us/mediaoffice/ministrynews/state-of-palestine-condemns-terrorist-attack-in-sydney-1
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