14 hours ago, Jingthing said:

This is obviously a question of moral judgement.

There have been many leaders throughout history that many or most people have judged as being evil. 

Yes even in the most extreme cases, there are always admirers remaining.

 

But this isn't about historical world leaders.

This is about Trump.

Please record your judgement in the poll, and comment about it if you so choose.

 

You can't make it about only Trump because he doesn't exist in a vacuum and is in service to Israel. You've to go include Bibi, at the least, to give some context.  The maga people call Trump 'Zion Don' for a reason.   Even the NYT says that there's no dirt on him in the Epstein files.  

In early 2025, President Trump invited a 13-year-old boy battling brain cancer and his family to the Oval Office to fulfill a personal dream

31 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

After a bus driver, Darnell Barton, stopped a woman from attempting suicide by jumping off a bridge, Trump sent him a $10,000 check as a reward.

You've posted several of these anecdotal stories now. I suppose you actually believe them to be true? Which flavor of the Kool-Aid is your favorite? Remember... It's the Fox 'Entertainment' Network, not Fox 'News' Network, required to changed by the courts.

12 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Regardless of ones opinion of Trump the BBC fiasco is brutal. An hour apart. Really ? 

He might just have bitten off more than he can chew with that one.

The BBC line seems to be shaping up as him having to prove that defamation took place.

As he said what he said, irrespective of when, there's that, but he also has to prove that his character is squeaky clean for it to be effectively damaged by the broadcast.

Also the point that it was not released or broadcast in USA unless people were watching it in fact illegally via VPN. So it was not then aimed at US citizens, nor took place there, therefore not damaging to his Political position and standing.

The issue for Trump with all this is that they will legally be calling in and scrutinising, very publically, in that courtroom every rotten deal, fraud, every aspect of demeaning of women, the rape of which he was convicted and every other grubby bit of behaviour which he will have to deny and try to disprove, under oath, despite there being a multitude of proof.

I think it's more likely he'll do as he always does when anyone stands up to him and fold accepting a face saving apology or something.

I guess we'll see.

Fact is Trump does what he thinks is right and best for the USA. You may disagree with him but so far what he's done is what the majority of those who voted for him, voted for. 6 pages in now and I still haven't seen anything definitive from the sufferers that points to Trump being evil. Same as Trump being a fascist etc. All hot air from the 'progressive' left that just can't let go.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Fact is Trump does what he thinks is right and best for the USA. You may disagree with him but so far what he's done is what the majority of those who voted for him, voted for. 6 pages in now and I still haven't seen anything definitive from the sufferers that points to Trump being evil. Same as Trump being a fascist etc. All hot air from the 'progressive' left that just can't let go.

Best potus in 50 years.

3 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

You've posted several of these anecdotal stories now. I suppose you actually believe them to be true? Which flavor of the Kool-Aid is your favorite? Remember... It's the Fox 'Entertainment' Network, not Fox 'News' Network, required to changed by the courts.

 

I think you'll find the story of Trump paying Darnell Barton 10,000 USD is 100 per cent true and reported by, among others, the Washington Times, Sky news and many other mainstream news organizations.

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/3/donald-trump-offers-10k-hero-bus-driver/

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Thai politicians can tell you to leave Thailand at any time they choose, and there is nothing you can do about it.

What the hell does that have to do with anything ?  25 yrs, and if they haven't deported me by now, I don't see it happening anytime soon.   They must like me 😎

 

TBH, wouldn't like it, but wouldn't really care if they did or not.  Just send me on a new adventure, which I may actually enjoy, just too lazy to start it myself.  I am in search of a new hobby.  Getting bored with drones & photography, along with TH is a really small country.   If not for the daughter & dog, may have left long time ago.

 

I really didn't finally decide to stay until 2020, when decided to build 3rd house, and not by another throw away, POS, JP badged car  

 

Was completely liquid at that point, and simply renting.  Unsettled from TH ... what to do now ?????

 

Challenge finding new areas, I haven't been to, that are worth the drive.  Nothing north of us, so doesn't leave much.

Trump accounts are intended to give children a savings fund for certain expenses once they turn 18. Like retirement accounts, the funds within Trump accounts will be invested as the child grows. 

 

On Wednesday, Bessent said that, if the S&P 500 continues its annual growth rate of 10.5%, the Treasury’s one-time deposit of $1,000 into the Trump account could turn into roughly $600,000 by the time the child reaches retirement age.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/5652799-trump-accounts-how-much-they-could-be-worth-when-your-child-turns-18/
 

GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER!

64% said evil 

Hard to disagree. In fact, impossible.

 

Salt Lake Tribune:

'We are led by the most loathsome human being ever to occupy the White House.'

 

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2025/12/18/opinion-our-petty-hollow-squalid/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

 

"Right now, in every grotesque social media post; in every Cabinet meeting devoted, North Korea-like, to adulating him; in every executive-order-signing ceremony intended to make him appear like a Chinese emperor; in every fawning reference to all the peace he’s supposedly brought the world; in every Neronic enlargement of the White House’s East Wing; in every classless dig at his predecessor; in every shady deal his family is striking to enrich itself; in every White House gathering of tech billionaires paying him court (in the literal senses of both “pay” and “court”); in every visiting foreign leader who learns to abase himself to avoid some capricious tariff or other punishment — in all this and more, our standards as a nation are being debased, our manners barbarized."

What a blessing to be an American child born in the Trump administration, each child will have a fund that will conservatively yield 300,000 USD by the time the child is an adult.

 

If only other politicians had had the foresight and financial acumen of this great man, Trump, we'd all be wealthy now.

1 hour ago, Harrisfan said:

You are obsessed with Trump.

Like you aren't. The difference is that you're a fan but I'm horrified that he is actively destroying everything good about the USA.

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

No laws have been broken. As for "international law" anyone with half a brain knows these are useless.

Kill them all without proofs and trials, that your guys mentality. 

 

F sake

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

What a blessing to be an American child born in the Trump administration, each child will have a fund that will conservatively yield 300,000 USD by the time the child is an adult.

 

If only other politicians had had the foresight and financial acumen of this great man, Trump, we'd all be wealthy now.

That's making a lot of assumptions about the future.

That said, by judging Trump to be EVIL as indeed I do, as I've said before, that is not the same thing as saying that everything that he has ever done in his life and office is bad. Most of it -- absolutely. Also it's not only about bad policy. It's about the moral nature of both his personal character and most policies -- in my judgement -- EVIL. 

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Trump accounts are intended to give children a savings fund for certain expenses once they turn 18. Like retirement accounts, the funds within Trump accounts will be invested as the child grows. 

 

On Wednesday, Bessent said that, if the S&P 500 continues its annual growth rate of 10.5%, the Treasury’s one-time deposit of $1,000 into the Trump account could turn into roughly $600,000 by the time the child reaches retirement age.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/nexstar_media_wire/5652799-trump-accounts-how-much-they-could-be-worth-when-your-child-turns-18/
 

GREATEST PRESIDENT EVER!

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

What a blessing to be an American child born in the Trump administration, each child will have a fund that will conservatively yield 300,000 USD by the time the child is an adult.

 

If only other politicians had had the foresight and financial acument of this great man, Trump, we'd all be wealthy now.

 

Something they don't teach in the educational system.   You get 12 years of 'free' education, and when done ... you learned how to fill out a job application, maybe.

 

Thankfully, learned to build equity ASAP almost 50 years ago.  If the only thing Trump does is instill that in parents & kids, then the would would be a much better place next generation.

25 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Nobody on AN can hurt my feelings, as way too thick skinned, and simply consider the source.  Nobody is my master, least of all, a politician.   Not an occupation that gets much respect from me.

 

Got to go, dog barking at me ... my true master 

We might butt heads from time to time and we certainly have different views on the world, but you are truly a scholar and a gentleman. 

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Like you aren't. The difference is that you're a fan but I'm horrified that he is actively destroying everything good about the USA.

The US is a <deleted>hole. Trump is improving it. 

Wins and Achievements

President Trump Delivers

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/achievements/

 

President Trump is perhaps one of the best Presidents the United States has ever had, maybe right behind Reagan, but there is still three years left in Trump's term to surpass Reagan. It's really unbelievable how much good President Trump has accomplished in such a short period of time, even less than a full year into this term. I am really looking forward to the next three years of Making America Great Again. 

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

Hard to disagree. In fact, impossible.

 

Salt Lake Tribune:

'We are led by the most loathsome human being ever to occupy the White House.'

 

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2025/12/18/opinion-our-petty-hollow-squalid/?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

 

"Right now, in every grotesque social media post; in every Cabinet meeting devoted, North Korea-like, to adulating him; in every executive-order-signing ceremony intended to make him appear like a Chinese emperor; in every fawning reference to all the peace he’s supposedly brought the world; in every Neronic enlargement of the White House’s East Wing; in every classless dig at his predecessor; in every shady deal his family is striking to enrich itself; in every White House gathering of tech billionaires paying him court (in the literal senses of both “pay” and “court”); in every visiting foreign leader who learns to abase himself to avoid some capricious tariff or other punishment — in all this and more, our standards as a nation are being debased, our manners barbarized."

Leftist opinion piece written to be consumed by the sufferers like yourself.

15 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Best potus in 50 years.

No, but the best CON MAN in world history -- absolutely.

But lately alas his magic con man fairy dust has started to weaken.  

 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

No, but the best CON MAN in world history -- absolutely.

But lately alas his magic con man fairy dust has started to weaken.  

 

The US is better now than in decades.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Leftist opinion piece written to be consumed by the sufferers like yourself.

 

Don't worry, I suffer morons on a daily basis.

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

He will probably improve the life of the average Venezuelan and they will hail him as a hero. 

 

Like Putin have done to Ukraine you mean? 

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Kill them all without proofs and trials, that your guys mentality. 

 

F sake

I think you'll find that very good intelligence on these drug running speedboats exist. Do you think they're just guessing? Trials? "Ahoy there. Please stop your boat so we can take you back to America for trial." 

2 hours ago, novacova said:

Labeling a person evil doesn’t make them evil. In other words you are completely incapable of proving that Trump is evil unless of course you consider that he won the 2016 presidential election over H. Clinton is evil, of which is where all this delusional Trump hate obsession stems from.

Now that is utter stupidity. Pulling something out of thin air and propagating it for the Hate Trump Fan Club is complete digressive childishness. So there you have it folks, this is the world of left, spinning in circles and chasing their tails.

More straw man garbage.

14 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Evil, nasty, likely the least charitable American ever, relative to his wealth, and a horrific example for the world. 

 

This sums him up perfectly:

Someone asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England, wrote this magnificent response:

 

"A few things spring to mind. 

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief. Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

 

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege. And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. 

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. 

 

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down. So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:* Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.* You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man. This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of bull<deleted>. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

 

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W. look smart and articulate. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: 'My God… what… have… I… created?

 

 

That sentence (I made bold in your post) sums up Trump to perfection.

 

Trump is what your parents, teachers, friends, clergy, etc., told you NOT to be.

 

He's broken at least 9 of 10 Commandments (and maybe all ten, at least by proxy) and all Seven Deadlies.

 

It's come as a harsh realization to me that so many people are so ignorant or are themselves so nasty that they cannot see that Trump is a corrupt, totally self-serving, pathologically mendacious, serial philandering, vindictive, misogynistic, racist, fascist, woefully insecure scum-sucking pile of human filth. "Evil" certainly fits.

 

I have no doubt he would be even worse, if he thought he could get away with it. When he Tweets about executing people who criticize him or do things like remind serving military members of the actual rules, or calls people traitors simply for saying he's ill, I know full well he would execute critics if allowed. Up to now the institutions have put limits on his evil proclivities.

 

The good news is that his mental and physical decline is accelerating, so we are not likely to have him around for much longer. He ought to load up on SPF666, because where he's going won't be kind to that pink and orange skin.

5 hours ago, JensenZ said:

Seriously? International law is meaningless because no one can police it.  

That one thing, but when the majority of the world looks at you the same way as Iran, who sizes oil tankers, and like Russia or any other terrorist state, maybe then? 

 

Whatever, you guys mentality have always been to kill first, and now proofs it prime time. 

1 minute ago, Wingate said:

That sentence sums up Trump to perfection.

 

Trump is what your parents, teachers, friends, clergy, etc., told you NOT to be.

 

He's broken at least 9 of 10 Commandments (and maybe all ten, at least by proxy) and all Seven Deadlies.

 

It's come as a harsh realization to me that so many people are so ignorant or are themselves so nasty that they cannot see that Trump is a corrupt, totally self-serving, pathologically mendacious, serial philandering, vindictive, misogynistic, racist, fascist, woefully insecure scum-sucking pile of human filth. "Evil" certainly fits.

 

I have no doubt he would be even worse, if he thought he could get away with it. When he Tweets about executing people who criticize him or do things like remind serving military members of the actual rules, or calls people traitors simply for saying he's ill, I know full well he would execute critics if allowed. Up to now the institutions have put limits on his evil proclivities.

 

The good news is that his mental and physical decline is accelerating, so we are not likely to have him around for much longer. He ought to load up on SPF666, because where he's going won't be kind to that pink and orange skin.

Pure evil

5 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

The US is better now than in decades.

Better for billionaires and some white nationalist fascists.