2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I think you'll find that very good intelligence on these drug running speedboats exist. Do you think they're just guessing? Trials? "Ahoy there. Please stop your boat so we can take you back to America for trial." 

Either are you complete stupid, or just ignorant? Does open international water tell anything at all? What right have you guys to bomb any Wessels in open international water? 

Fortunately this thread echoes the Democrats and MSM's obsession with Trump. I say fortunately because the focus is on the man not the ball. Democrats are doing nothing other than attack Trump. Trump is their total focus not the American people, no policies and definitely no bipartisanship. Evidence of this will likely come next month when they shut the government down again.

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I think you'll find that very good intelligence on these drug running speedboats exist. Do you think they're just guessing? Trials? "Ahoy there. Please stop your boat so we can take you back to America for trial." 

Do you remember this incident?

 

The most significant incident of the US shooting down an Iranian plane in international airspace was Iran Air Flight 655 on July 3, 1988, when the USS Vincennes mistakenly shot down an Airbus A300, killing all 290 people aboard, mistaking it for an attacking fighter jet during heightened Iran-Iraq War tensions. While the US expressed regret, they maintained it was an act of self-defense, but it remains a tragic event where a civilian airliner was downed by a US warship in the Persian Gulf. 

7 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

The US is better now than in decades.

I guess it is for those who like slower growth, higher unemployment and higher inflation, plus a total loss of respect internationally, save perhaps for Kim Jong-un, Putin and the typical miscreant.

 

(*And maybe those fooled by online IQ tests that salve fragile egos, but are intended as marketing ploys)

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Better for billionaires and some white nationalist fascists.

 

As of December 2025, the U.S. real average hourly earnings stood at $11.34, representing a 0.80% increase from the same period one year prior.

 

Better for average people.

2 minutes ago, Wingate said:

I guess it is for those who like slower growth, higher unemployment and higher inflation, plus a total loss of respect internationally, save perhaps for Kim Jong-un, Putin and the typical miscreant.

 

(*And maybe those fooled by online IQ tests that salve fragile egos, but are intended as marketing ploys)

Real wages are up 0.8% though. You lefty liars can't handle the truth.

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Fortunately this thread echoes the Democrats and MSM's obsession with Trump. I say fortunately because the focus is on the man not the ball. Democrats are doing nothing other than attack Trump. Trump is their total focus not the American people, no policies and definitely no bipartisanship. Evidence of this will likely come next month when they shut the government down again.

What ruins your narrative is much of the most compelling and effective criticism of Trump comes from people with a conservative republican background.

I will refer you to the youtube channels The Bulwark and The Lincoln Project.

It's not about left vs. right.

It's about people that respect the constitution, the rule of law, separation of powers, etc. vs. the Trump led maga fascist movement.

3 minutes ago, Wingate said:

*And maybe those fooled by online IQ tests that salve fragile egos, but are intended as marketing ploys)

The other day I showed you up as a complete idiot. You had no idea about gdp figures. Then you ran away after being proved wrong 

What he is doing by supporting Israel's genocide is evil. All down to $400 million in donations by Israeli Miriam Adelson, and more by other Jewish billionaires.

However, compared to Clinton, Biden, Bushes, he is a saint.

I believe you support his support of Israel, including sending 20,000 lb bombs, that have killed over 70,000 people, mostly women and children.

Do you agree with Donald here?

President Trump’s second term, real wages have grown at an annualized rate of 3.37%, outpacing the 2.31% annualized growth in prices, resulting in a net annualized increase in real wages of 1.04% during the early months of his term. This marks a significant improvement compared to the Biden administration, where real wages were still 1.4% lower by the end of his term than in January 2021, despite nominal wage growth.

During Donald Trump’s first term, real wages increased by 7% overall, the highest one-term increase since the 1970s, though some economists argue this was partly due to compositional effects from the disproportionate layoff of lower-wage workers during the pandemic.

In contrast, the Biden administration experienced a sharp decline in real wages during its first 18 months, with purchasing power falling by 4% by mid-2022, before gradually recovering to a 1.4% deficit by the end of his term.

As of the latest data, real wages under Trump’s second term are showing positive growth, with average hourly pay for production and nonsupervisory workers reaching $30.27 in August 2024, a level that has since been surpassed under current policies.

2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Real wages are up 0.8% though. You lefty liars can't handle the truth.

Stop calling people lefties, as if it's an insult. It just widens the US divide. And is ignorant 😞 

1 minute ago, JimCM said:

Stop calling people lefties, as if it's an insult. It just widens the US divide. And is ignorant 😞 

But they are lefties and biased too. I'm unbiased. I just quote official figures.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

What ruins your narrative is much of the most compelling and effective criticism of Trump comes from people with a conservative republican background.

I will refer you to the youtube channels The Bulwark and The Lincoln Project.

It's not about left vs. right.

It's about people that respect the constitution, the rule of law, separation of powers, etc. vs. the Trump led maga fascist movement.

Democrats have the lowest opinion polls ever. Favoured is running around 17%. Harris is saying she's going to run again, then there's AOC and Newsom and all they do is attack Trump. Whoever runs will be up against JD or Rubio. Can't wait for the debates.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Democrats have the lowest opinion polls ever. Favoured is running around 17%. Harris is saying she's going to run again, then there's AOC and Newsom and all they do is attack Trump. Whoever runs will be up against JD or Rubio. Can't wait for the debates.

I guess you haven't noticed the results in the most RECENT U.S. elections.

Just now, Jingthing said:

I guess you haven't noticed the results in the most RECENT U.S. elections.

Voters are stupid if they choose Newsome.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Voters are stupid if they choose Newsome.

Anyway, the topic HERE is whether people judge Trump to be evil or not.

It's not really about future electoral politics.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Anyway, the topic HERE is whether people judge Trump to be evil or not.

It's not really about future electoral politics.

War deaths low

Real wages up 0.8% (fell under Biden)

 

So no. Bush and Obama were evil. Wmd lies and drone strikes

 

 

11 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

But they are lefties and biased too. I'm unbiased. I just quote official figures.

You are biased by calling all that do not agree with you, lefties, when they might not be..........

 

Please try harder..........🙄

21 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Do you remember this incident?

 

The most significant incident of the US shooting down an Iranian plane in international airspace was Iran Air Flight 655 on July 3, 1988, when the USS Vincennes mistakenly shot down an Airbus A300, killing all 290 people aboard, mistaking it for an attacking fighter jet during heightened Iran-Iraq War tensions. While the US expressed regret, they maintained it was an act of self-defense, but it remains a tragic event where a civilian airliner was downed by a US warship in the Persian Gulf. 

accidents will happen

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

War deaths low

Real wages up 0.8% (fell under Biden)

 

So no. Bush and Obama were evil. Wmd lies and drone strikes

 

 

If you want to discuss this moral question in relation to other U.S. presidents, or any other public figure -- OPEN A NEW TOPIC.

This topic is only about Trump.

25 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

More straw man garbage.

Opposed to what, the cockamamie malarkey op of this thread?

Just now, novacova said:

Opposed to what, the cockamamie malarkey op of this thread?

You are free to not read or post to it if that's how you feel.

I think it's a legitimate question to ask and I'm not at all surprised that a strong majority of respondents agree with my moral judgement that Trump is an EVIL man. 

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I guess you haven't noticed the results in the most RECENT U.S. elections.

Trump won.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Trump won.

I said recent.

Not the presidential.

Perhaps another case of someone that doesn't follow current events.

59 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

In early 2025, President Trump invited a 13-year-old boy battling brain cancer and his family to the Oval Office to fulfill a personal dream

And if I remember correctly the lefties surpassed themselves criticising the  whole show,,  totally disgusting but expected

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I said recent.

Not the presidential.

Perhaps another case of someone that doesn't follow current events.

Why is he evil?

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I said recent.

Not the presidential.

Perhaps another case of someone that doesn't follow current events.

Mayoral elections are not indicative of how the national election will go.

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If you want to discuss this moral question in relation to other U.S. presidents, or any other public figure -- OPEN A NEW TOPIC.

This topic is only about Trump.

You can't discuss Trump without a reference point. The reference point is other potuses. Compared to them he is less evil.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You are free to not read or post to it if that's how you feel.

I think it's a legitimate question to ask and I'm not at all surprised that a strong majority of respondents agree with my moral judgement that Trump is an EVIL man. 

hardly a surprise and in no way a  vindication is it  really

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Why is he evil?

I don't know why anyone is evil.

Ask God if you believe in God.

That isn't the question here.

The question here is that in your moral judgement when you consider the entire life and actions of Donald J. Trump in totality do you consider him evil or not?