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5 years ago they tried to steal an election.

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Just now, XRules said:

Not really - the people more willing to respond are those with negative views - always the case in mid terms too. Many are responding to the current negative issues - it is normal political cycle. The only Poll that counts is the Election in November 2027 - in which Trump will (probably) not be participating.

If you think Trump and his Team are in anyway concerned, or thinking they will change their policies because of Polls, you are very much mistaken. Some GOP Members and Senators might think that way, but the Trump Team is going full bore ahead until January 2028 - at least.

There's a difference between opinion polling and actual voting. But if you're correct, then the Republicans are really in trouble as far as the midterms go. And this is Rasmussen, which typically shows far greater support for Republican candidates than most other pollsters.

I don't know how that full bore approach is going to work if, as currently seems likely, the Republicans lose control of the House. Unless, of course, the Trump administration decides to create a new form of government. Is that what assumed in your mention of a full-bore approach?

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  • That is right , 5 years ago Biden stole the election.

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12 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Pot - Kettle. 🤣

Absolutely not. Unlike you, I cited facts.

9 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Watching the Overton window shift is a fascinating process, isn't it?

From "no known FBI agent involvement" to "only a supporting role with CHSs" to "274 active armed agents in plain clothes, but only after the riot started":

Now is a good time, I reckon, to go back to whistleblower testimonies:

And while you're at it, have a look at the footage in which the D.C. cop says “We go undercover as antifa in a crowd". What could he possibly mean, in your opinion?

Grasping at straws... You still have nothing! 🤣

To start with, thank you for confirming what I already posted, that Patel said there were no FBI agent in the crowd. The rest of what you reposted is from 2023, long before the IG investigation was completed and published.

Fact is that your cult master was lying. There were not 274 agents in the crowd prior to the assault, and the aFBI did not incite the assault. Just like the pipe bomb "insider job", it was another MAGA BS.

10 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

This is what you wrote. As a friendly reminder, pedantry is never a valid avenue to make a valid point:

Exactly, he watched it on TV for hours without telling them to leave the Capitol ASAP. A simple tweet would have been enough. He could also have requisitionned all major media to diffuse a call to leave. He didn't!

This is what Trump actually said:

At 2:38 p.m., approximately 38 minutes after the violence began, he tweeted:
Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!"

4:17 p.m., approximately 2 hours and 4 minutes after the violence began, he posted a video saying:

"You have to go home now. We have to have peace. So go home. We love you. You're very special... Go home and go home in peace."

So during two hours he watched it on TV before he told them to go home.....as I wrote.😀

21 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

There's a difference between opinion polling and actual voting. But if you're correct, then the Republicans are really in trouble as far as the midterms go. And this is Rasmussen, which typically shows far greater support for Republican candidates than most other pollsters.

I don't know how that full bore approach is going to work if, as currently seems likely, the Republicans lose control of the House. Unless, of course, the Trump administration decides to create a new form of government. Is that what assumed in your mention of a full-bore approach?

Yes - you could be right - the midterms usually go against the sitting party - people with a negative view are more motivated to get out and vote.

There are a few GOP Senators that could be primaried too - RINOs who refuse to remove the filibuster and thereby pass the House approved Law to enforce voting only for Citizens with ID - and a few other Laws. Their failure to act is giving a lot of GOP supporters less reason to vote in November. But there is still time - 10 months is a very very long time in politics.

Either way it goes, Trump and his Team are going full bore ahead - they will continue to run the country using EOs and other Departmental directives and actions. One thing the Dems dont want the People to know - the President runs the country - not the House and the Senate who are there to propose and pass new Laws - not to run the country.

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12 minutes ago, XRules said:

Yes - you could be right - the midterms usually go against the sitting party - people with a negative view are more motivated to get out and vote.

There are a few GOP Senators that could be primaried too - RINOs who refuse to remove the filibuster and thereby pass the House approved Law to enforce voting only for Citizens with ID - and a few other Laws. Their failure to act is giving a lot of GOP supporters less reason to vote in November. But there is still time - 10 months is a very very long time in politics.

Either way it goes, Trump and his Team are going full bore ahead - they will continue to run the country using EOs and other Departmental directives and actions. One thing the Dems dont want the People to know - the President runs the country - not the House and the Senate who are there to propose and pass new Laws - not to run the country.

Your understanding of how the US government functions differs how from a dictatorship?

12 hours ago, XRules said:

The Dems and woke liberal supporters only have two things - Trump hatred and Jan 6 Protest. We know why they have Trump hatred, and the protest is being given new names - The Unarmed Selfie Insurrection is the best one I have seen. Creating Division and using Lawfare is their game - and the woke liberals follow their direction. Sad thing is they truly believe their lies - despite all the evidence that surfaces. I was watching a video the other day on YT (forgot name) and a bloke explained it. He said that when you make your political ideology (or gender or both) all about yourself and think that is who and what you are, then you have committed yourself 100% to that ideology being correct and justified. That is why anything that criticises or even questions that ideology, manifests itself in your mind as an attack against you personally, and is an attack on who and what you are. That is why woke liberals - especially women - get extremely offended and angry when they are attacked (as they see it). Literally this is the case - Trump could say that a study has shown that taking Tylenol when pregnant causes autism - and woke liberal women who are pregnant will take Tylenol in spite because he offends and attacks them. It is a viscous self-defeating mental attitude and a circular argument as such - and he claimed that it can be harder to change in someone than a drug addition.

Remind us, what was your forum ID before? 😄

1 hour ago, XRules said:

Mate - you think that is bad - what about these figures below - very dubious result IMO. When you compare the votes of Obama 1, Trump 1, and Biden - the numbers dont add up.

Obama 69 million - Trump 74 million - Biden 81 million (66 million postal votes).

Counties — Obama 873 - Trump 2,497 - Biden 477.

Bellwether Counties — Obama 18 of 19 - Trump 18 of 19 - Biden 1 of 19.

In other words, you also have nothing! 😁

Each and every GOP lawsuit, recount and audit failed.

10 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

It was "the most secure election in American history", KhunHeineken.

Biden is a superhero worthy of a Marvel comic book. Imagine, if you will, a zombie who barely campaigns, can’t get anybody to show up to his rallies, is a walking disaster and yet manages to receive a historical 81 million votes, all while losing 18 of 19 bellwether counties and winning only 16% of counties overall…

And the funniest part is listening to the explanations by those who are usually so prompt to refer to statistical accuracy.

The funniest part is Trump's and MAGAs' hopeless attempts to substantiate the Big Lie! 🤣

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Your understanding of how the US government functions differs how from a dictatorship?

I think you have some very weird views on American politics and the form of Government. Try Googling it and find out how the US Federal Government system works. Note - unlike other countries the President of USA has broad sweeping powers to run the country. Many countries (like UK and Australia etc) do not have a President - very different Government systems.

12 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

... and another nome de guerre joins the fray...

10 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

What is a 'nome de guerre'?

it's a typo.... 60 years since I study française.

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Remind us, what was your forum ID before? 😄

Before I forgot my email - or before I left many years ago - or before I came back when George returned - or before I was unable to stand having to listen to people like you and took a hiatus?

6 minutes ago, XRules said:

I think you have some very weird views on American politics and the form of Government. Try Googling it and find out how the US Federal Government system works. Note - unlike other countries the President of USA has broad sweeping powers to run the country. Many countries (like UK and Australia etc) do not have a President - very different Government systems.

You claimed that Trump was going to go full bore ahead and it's me who doesn't understand how the US government works? Do you have any familiarity with the US Constitution. And if your understanding is correct, how does that differ from a dictatorship?

7 minutes ago, candide said:

In other words, you also have nothing! 😁

Each and every GOP lawsuit, recount and audit failed.

That does not prove the election result was not dubious. In a Court of Law there are many reasons cases are dismissed or found 'not guilty' - that does not mean innocent. Please allow me to educate you - it is not possible to prove how any person voted or did not vote, nor how any group voted or did not vote. Therefore, proving the result was right or wrong is not possible - it was accepted and certified and that is that. But it can often be proven that people committed election fraud.

Keep watching the media - I suggest you try X and not so much CNN - there are stories and reports developing every day/week about election fraud. No - the result is locked in and done and will not be changed. BUT there are now ongoing investigations that are revealing clear and obvious fraud was committed - Biden's Admin did not investigate anything - they did not want to for obvious reasons.

Join me on X and see the truth. Or ask Grok and not just Google. Or read Grokipedia not just Wikipedia. It is all there - all you have to do is come and join us.

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You claimed that Trump was going to go full bore ahead and it's me who doesn't understand how the US government works? Do you have any familiarity with the US Constitution. And if your understanding is correct, how does that differ from a dictatorship?

Google - No, the U.S. President does not hold dictatorial powers; the United States remains a democracy with established constitutional checks and balances that limit executive authority. The system is designed to prevent any single person from becoming a dictator. 

The U.S. Constitution and its institutions (Congress, the judiciary, a free press, and a strong federal system) provide multiple "veto points" that make it difficult for one leader to dismantle democratic norms entirely. The judiciary can declare presidential actions unconstitutional, and Congress has the power to legislate and, if necessary, impeach the president. 

However, there is an ongoing political debate and significant concern among some political scientists, legal experts, and critics that the presidency is exhibiting increasingly authoritarian characteristics or moving towards a form of "authoritarianism" or "autocracy". These concerns stem from: 

  • Expansion of executive power: Some argue that presidential power has expanded significantly due to congressional dysfunction and the increased use of executive orders.

  • Rhetoric and norms: Concerns are frequently raised about a president who challenges or ignores constitutional restrictions that previous leaders respected, attacks the press and judiciary, and discusses using the military domestically or pursuing political opponents.

  • Erosion of norms: The stability of American democracy relies heavily on unwritten norms and traditions (such as the independence of the Department of Justice). When these norms are challenged, it can weaken the overall system. 

Despite these concerns and rhetoric, the formal structure of a dictatorship, where one person has absolute power and elections are not free or fair, does not currently exist in the U.S.. The debate focuses on whether the country is on a path toward a potential future breakdown of democratic institutions. 

1 minute ago, XRules said:

Google - No, the U.S. President does not hold dictatorial powers; the United States remains a democracy with established constitutional checks and balances that limit executive authority. The system is designed to prevent any single person from becoming a dictator. 

The U.S. Constitution and its institutions (Congress, the judiciary, a free press, and a strong federal system) provide multiple "veto points" that make it difficult for one leader to dismantle democratic norms entirely. The judiciary can declare presidential actions unconstitutional, and Congress has the power to legislate and, if necessary, impeach the president. 

However, there is an ongoing political debate and significant concern among some political scientists, legal experts, and critics that the presidency is exhibiting increasingly authoritarian characteristics or moving towards a form of "authoritarianism" or "autocracy". These concerns stem from: 

  • Expansion of executive power: Some argue that presidential power has expanded significantly due to congressional dysfunction and the increased use of executive orders.

  • Rhetoric and norms: Concerns are frequently raised about a president who challenges or ignores constitutional restrictions that previous leaders respected, attacks the press and judiciary, and discusses using the military domestically or pursuing political opponents.

  • Erosion of norms: The stability of American democracy relies heavily on unwritten norms and traditions (such as the independence of the Department of Justice). When these norms are challenged, it can weaken the overall system. 

Despite these concerns and rhetoric, the formal structure of a dictatorship, where one person has absolute power and elections are not free or fair, does not currently exist in the U.S.. The debate focuses on whether the country is on a path toward a potential future breakdown of democratic institutions. 

Then why did you claim that the President was going to go ahead full bore with his program regardless of what happens in the 2026 midterms?

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8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Then why did you claim that the President was going to go ahead full bore with his program regardless of what happens in the 2026 midterms?

Because that is what the President does - he does not need House or Senate approval to remove all illegals from USA, to crack down on all the Government waste and Democrat fraud, nor to conduct military operations as required, or to conduct his affairs with regards to international matters, or any other policy he made in the election campaign.

For context please learn some history - Obama was the first President to use EOs and Dept Directives extensively - because he had a hostile House and Senate to deal with. That is what President can do under their powers under the Constitution. What that means is that their EOs and Directives only remain valid/active while they are President, or are overturned by another President.

Example - Trump wants election fraud to be reduced dramatically - he has passed an EO in that regards - but whilst that applies under his authority to Govt Agencies etc. it does not have full authority in all States. That requires the House and Senate to pass an Act/Law enforcing that requirement for Federal Elections - the House has but the Senate filibuster is stopping it.

8 minutes ago, XRules said:

Because that is what the President does - he does not need House or Senate approval to remove all illegals from USA, to crack down on all the Government waste and Democrat fraud, nor to conduct military operations as required, or to conduct his affairs with regards to international matters, or any other policy he made in the election campaign.

For context please learn some history - Obama was the first President to use EOs and Dept Directives extensively - because he had a hostile House and Senate to deal with. That is what President can do under their powers under the Constitution. What that means is that their EOs and Directives only remain valid/active while they are President, or are overturned by another President.

Example - Trump wants election fraud to be reduced dramatically - he has passed an EO in that regards - but whilst that applies under his authority to Govt Agencies etc. it does not have full authority in all States. That requires the House and Senate to pass an Act/Law enforcing that requirement for Federal Elections - the House has but the Senate filibuster is stopping it.

Apart from the fact that you completely disregard the issue of funding among other things, you then provide a counterexample that undercuts your argument about how the president is going to go ahead full bore.

32 minutes ago, XRules said:

That does not prove the election result was not dubious. In a Court of Law there are many reasons cases are dismissed or found 'not guilty' - that does not mean innocent. Please allow me to educate you - it is not possible to prove how any person voted or did not vote, nor how any group voted or did not vote. Therefore, proving the result was right or wrong is not possible - it was accepted and certified and that is that. But it can often be proven that people committed election fraud.

Keep watching the media - I suggest you try X and not so much CNN - there are stories and reports developing every day/week about election fraud. No - the result is locked in and done and will not be changed. BUT there are now ongoing investigations that are revealing clear and obvious fraud was committed - Biden's Admin did not investigate anything - they did not want to for obvious reasons.

Join me on X and see the truth. Or ask Grok and not just Google. Or read Grokipedia not just Wikipedia. It is all there - all you have to do is come and join us.

Blah blah. You have nothing.

Every attempt to substantiate the big lie failed. Nor only lawsuits, but also GOP led recounts and audits.

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6 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Apart from the fact that you completely disregard the issue of funding among other things, you then provide a counterexample that undercuts your argument about how the president is going to go ahead full bore.

Try reading it all again. The issue is 'checks and balances'. The President runs the country - the checks and balances are the Courts and House and Senate. Trump's agenda has been slowed in Court, but if I recall he has won nearly all of those on Appeal. I also believe a certain Judge is being invested and will probably be impeached for deliberate political interference. If I was to say what was Trump's agenda overall - I would say it is to 'Drain the Swamp' and he is going to go full bore ahead with that agenda. Checks and balances are a given - he is not a Dictator.

11 minutes ago, XRules said:

Try reading it all again. The issue is 'checks and balances'. The President runs the country - the checks and balances are the Courts and House and Senate. Trump's agenda has been slowed in Court, but if I recall he has won nearly all of those on Appeal. I also believe a certain Judge is being invested and will probably be impeached for deliberate political interference. If I was to say what was Trump's agenda overall - I would say it is to 'Drain the Swamp' and he is going to go full bore ahead with that agenda. Checks and balances are a given - he is not a Dictator.

More nonsense from you. First off, from claiming that Trump will go ahead full bore without offering any qualifications, now you're claiming it's about draining the swamp. And I'm not going to get sidetracked by how demonstrably ridiculous that claim is. But no, the President doesn't run the country. I have no doubt he would like to. Another ridiculous "strong man" claim.

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

More nonsense from you. First off, from claiming that Trump will go ahead full bore without offering any qualifications, now you're claiming it's about draining the swamp. And I'm not going to get sidetracked by how demonstrably ridiculous that claim is. But no, the President doesn't run the country. I have no doubt he would like to. Another ridiculous "strong man" claim.

I think I am wasting my time - actually I know I am. Have a great day/life.

18 hours ago, candide said:

Exactly, he watched it on TV for hours without telling them to leave the Capitol ASAP. A simple tweet would have been enough. He could also have requisitionned all major media to diffuse a call to leave. He didn't!

Well today I watched a speech of a member of the US Congress and asked what could make Trump stop these illegal activities and Trump the congressman said "stopping is based on my morals and on my mind only". That sounds like a dictator to me as it is against the US Constitution which Trump at least twice has sworn to uphold those principles. Guess his mind is suffering some kind of moral failing IMHO.

12 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

More nonsense from you. First off, from claiming that Trump will go ahead full bore without offering any qualifications, now you're claiming it's about draining the swamp. And I'm not going to get sidetracked by how demonstrably ridiculous that claim is. But no, the President doesn't run the country. I have no doubt he would like to. Another ridiculous "strong man" claim.

Actually, if you are an American, you should be well aware of the US Constitution and the rights guaranteed within that document. The govt is divided in running the country with powers given to the president but which should also be either upheld or stopped by the Congress and the courts but we have a major failure of their accepting that status. Trump is quoted as the only thing controlling him is his morals and his mind. Certainly sounds like any dictator I have ever read about.

4 minutes ago, Presnock said:

Well today I watched a speech of a member of the US Congress and asked what could make Trump stop these illegal activities and Trump the congressman said "stopping is based on my morals and on my mind only". That sounds like a dictator to me as it is against the US Constitution which Trump at least twice has sworn to uphold those principles. Guess his mind is suffering some kind of moral failing IMHO.

Trump is drunk with power and cannot control himself!

1 minute ago, candide said:

Trump is drunk with power and cannot control himself!

IMHO he has been in that state of mind from his childhood!

IMO, it doesn't matter a jot who won what and who was cheated. They are two cheeks of the same backside.

The US is too far gone now. IMO, it will implode before 2030.

11 minutes ago, Presnock said:

Trump is quoted as the only thing controlling him is his morals and his mind. Certainly sounds like any dictator I have ever read about.

IMO, the thing stopping him is that people, from another country, as well as the deep state, have stuff on him. I don't think he wants to do all the things he says he will, but has no option.

I'm quite sure he would release the Kennedy files if he could. But he can't.

A tiny tail, wagging a giant of a dog.

14 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

IMO, it doesn't matter a jot who won what and who was cheated. They are two cheeks of the same backside.

The US is too far gone now. IMO, it will implode before 2030.

IMO, the thing stopping him is that people, from another country, as well as the deep state, have stuff on him. I don't think he wants to do all the things he says he will, but has no option.

I'm quite sure he would release the Kennedy files if he could. But he can't.

A tiny tail, wagging a giant of a dog.

As usual, it's other people's fault.....

1 hour ago, candide said:

As usual, it's other people's fault.....

The US people voted him in. They must take responsibility for his actions.

4 hours ago, candide said:

Absolutely not. Unlike you, I cited facts.

So did I. Unless you can post a link showing a bullet can turn corners. 😂

There is now a bullet that can change its trajectory mid flight, but that wasn't around in JFK's day.

Trump's opened up a new investigation. Hopefully, the American people will finally get the truth.

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