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5 years ago they tried to steal an election.

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1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The US people voted him in. They must take responsibility for his actions.

They voted for what he promised.....

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1 minute ago, KhunHeineken said:

So did I. Unless you can post a link showing a bullet can turn corners. 😂

There is now a bullet that can change its trajectory mid flight, but that wasn't around in JFK's day.

Trump's opened up a new investigation. Hopefully, the American people will finally get the truth.

My posts weren't about JFK's murder...

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3 hours ago, candide said:

Grasping at straws... You still have nothing! 🤣

To start with, thank you for confirming what I already posted, that Patel said there were no FBI agent in the crowd. The rest of what you reposted is from 2023, long before the IG investigation was completed and published.

Fact is that your cult master was lying. There were not 274 agents in the crowd prior to the assault, and the aFBI did not incite the assault. Just like the pipe bomb "insider job", it was another MAGA BS.

I explained to you how the Overton window had shifted. It will continue to do so and rest assured this exchange will be picked up in due time.

13 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The US people voted him in. They must take responsibility for his actions.

The majority of the American people voted him in, not all of the American people. However, in a democracy, the majority rule, and so I agree with you that even those Americans who did not vote for Trump, he's their president also, and thus his words and actions are on behalf of all Americans and every American should accept that.

For me, and Australia is the same, it's the lack of decent candidates that is disappointing. Was Trump and Biden really the best people the country could put forward for the job? It tends to show how corrupt the system is.

3 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

it's a typo.... 60 years since I study française.

Ask your trusted sidekick Gemini to proofread when you try to use smart*ss words.

1 minute ago, KhunHeineken said:

The majority of the American people voted him in, not all of the American people. However, in a democracy, the majority rule, and so I agree with you that even those Americans who did not vote for Trump, he's their president also, and thus his words and actions are on behalf of all Americans and every American should accept that.

For me, and Australia is the same, it's the lack of decent candidates that is disappointing. Was Trump and Biden really the best people the country could put forward for the job? It tends to show how corrupt the system is.

Not even the majority of Americans who voted in 2024 voted for Trump. He won a plurality.

13 minutes ago, candide said:

They voted for what he promised.....

More fool them. Maybe they will not vote for him next time.

The biggest threat to mankind; apathy and ignorance.

7 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

I only saw a post that was a link to someone else's opinion...

Full report posted yesterday. What you see or not is irrelevant.

9 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Not even the majority of Americans who voted in 2024 voted for Trump. He won a plurality.

I'm not going to pretend I know exactly how the American system works. Eg. college vote etc.

Perhaps America should change to a "first past the post" system, but then again, that would give "the people" too much of a voice. 🙂

6 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

I'm not going to pretend I know exactly how the American system works. Eg. college vote etc.

Perhaps America should change to a "first past the post" system, but then again, that would give "the people" too much of a voice. 🙂

Actually first past the post is a terrible system. In the UK, parliamentary majorities are often won by parties that garnered less than 40% of the popular vote. What would be better is a popular vote system based on ranked voting.

27 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I explained to you how the Overton window had shifted. It will continue to do so and rest assured this exchange will be picked up in due time.

Wake me up when you have proof that the 2020 election has been rigged by massive voter fraud, after more than 5 years of failed GOP attempts to substantiate the Big Lie....

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27 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

More fool them. Maybe they will not vote for him next time.

The biggest threat to mankind; apathy and ignorance.

Yep.

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8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Actually first past the post is a terrible system. In the UK, parliamentary majorities are often won by parties that garnered less than 40% of the popular vote. What would be better is a popular vote system based on ranked voting.

Yes, the UK has the first past the post system, but it's not backed up by compulsory voting. If the UK implemented compulsory voting, or a fine for no voting, then first past the post in the UK would be a more accurate refection of the people's choice.

I remember seeing the news coming out of the UK after the Brexit vote. Many younger people who were "remainers" said if they knew it was going to be so close, they would have voted. Too late now. 🙂

On 1/8/2026 at 8:41 PM, BLMFem said:

Some of these morons actually believe that evil Dem operatives were behind the attempt to steal the election, an election the Dems won!

I have no words......

Well, Trump also claimed the election he won in 2016 had been rigged by massive voter fraud, because he was upset that Hillary won the popular vote! 😅

19 minutes ago, candide said:

Wake me up when you have proof that the 2020 election has been rigged by massive voter fraud, after more than 5 years of failed GOP attempts to substantiate the Big Lie....

I will.

9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I will.

I'm not holding my breath! 😀

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2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Full report posted yesterday. What you see or not is irrelevant.

That's not the source report.... I refer to the report that Horowitz the IG produced. I only see you provided a link to the House Judiciary report which is produced by the GOP lead House committee. That report's content is controlled by the GOP head of the committee.

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

The majority of the American people voted him in, not all of the American people. However, in a democracy, the majority rule, and so I agree with you that even those Americans who did not vote for Trump, he's their president also, and thus his words and actions are on behalf of all Americans and every American should accept that.

For me, and Australia is the same, it's the lack of decent candidates that is disappointing. Was Trump and Biden really the best people the country could put forward for the job? It tends to show how corrupt the system is.

IMHO just look at the VP for both, two definite losers not even near being able to step into the presidency if something were to happen to the sitting president. IMHO too, seems too many "regular" citizens just don't really believe in either of the candidates, just voting for what party they think represents their best interests. If these sitting presidents didn't lie nor have their publicity experts flooding the airwaves with those lies then so many folks I guess would stop believing them. Also look at the ages of the congress folks today, many are over 80 already, many have many health issues yet they still hold a seat and are protected by their party. I myself am in my 80th year, I think I still can see very clearly that these idiots are doing or are not doing but I am impotent when it comes in changing anything. I got turned off these Superpac candidates not long after I began eligible to vote as I tired of having to vote for the best of the worst so to speak, no matter the party affiliation. I did my service to the country, military, and civil servant taking my family with me to some good countries but some bad too with threats to family and myself including co-workers killed by terrorists in an official vehicle that normally my wife and I would have been riding in but I drove one day and the official vehicle was right behind me when a terrorist killed two and wounded a third friend. We even escorted the bodies and families of those killed (children and spouses) and arranged burial ceremony having to literally fight off the reporters. IMHO the average citizen in the US today has no idea of what it means to serve the country, only what can the country do for them and their family. I chose to retire in Thailand, because it gives me more for my money than in the US plus it doesn't snow nor get that cold every year and the old bones just can't stand that anymore. I have family and friends still in the US and through regular chats understand somewhat their problems today but nothing I can do about them.

Just how bad can it get, as it seems this president wants to start another world war IMHO, after attacking Venezuela and talking about attacking many other countries or even stealing the lands of other countries! Meanwhile the Congress which is supposedly the enforcer of Constitutional laws together with the Supreme Court seems to be totally impotent and afraid of that the president may do.

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Ask your trusted sidekick Gemini to proofread when you try to use smart*ss words.

Your comebacks are becoming more and more feeble. Gemini has probably read a million times as much as you and easily throws out the trash that you hold so dear.

You don't know the phrase 'nom de guerre' ???? I presumed since it is fairly well known in the English speaking world you 'might' know it as it was borrowed from French. I forgot for a second which French person I was communicating with.

10 minutes ago, Presnock said:

IMHO just look at the VP for both, two definite losers not even near being able to step into the presidency if something were to happen to the sitting president. IMHO too, seems too many "regular" citizens just don't really believe in either of the candidates, just voting for what party they think represents their best interests. If these sitting presidents didn't lie nor have their publicity experts flooding the airwaves with those lies then so many folks I guess would stop believing them. Also look at the ages of the congress folks today, many are over 80 already, many have many health issues yet they still hold a seat and are protected by their party. I myself am in my 80th year, I think I still can see very clearly that these idiots are doing or are not doing but I am impotent when it comes in changing anything. I got turned off these Superpac candidates not long after I began eligible to vote as I tired of having to vote for the best of the worst so to speak, no matter the party affiliation. I did my service to the country, military, and civil servant taking my family with me to some good countries but some bad too with threats to family and myself including co-workers killed by terrorists in an official vehicle that normally my wife and I would have been riding in but I drove one day and the official vehicle was right behind me when a terrorist killed two and wounded a third friend. We even escorted the bodies and families of those killed (children and spouses) and arranged burial ceremony having to literally fight off the reporters. IMHO the average citizen in the US today has no idea of what it means to serve the country, only what can the country do for them and their family. I chose to retire in Thailand, because it gives me more for my money than in the US plus it doesn't snow nor get that cold every year and the old bones just can't stand that anymore. I have family and friends still in the US and through regular chats understand somewhat their problems today but nothing I can do about them.

Just how bad can it get, as it seems this president wants to start another world war IMHO, after attacking Venezuela and talking about attacking many other countries or even stealing the lands of other countries! Meanwhile the Congress which is supposedly the enforcer of Constitutional laws together with the Supreme Court seems to be totally impotent and afraid of that the president may do.

Good post.

Correct me if I am wrong, and I mean no offense by this, but it appears to me that in America if you parents and grandparents always voted Democrat or Republican, then you will also always vote the same way, as they did. There appears to be very view swing voters in America. Australia is the same, but not to the same extent. If this is the case, it's a sad indictment. If there were more swing voters, American politicians would not be so narrow in their view. It appears to me to be a shame independents can't get more political traction in America.

In relation to serving their country, that's not something restricted to America. The current generation is all about themselves. Brought up in the Facebook era, they are a bunch of self entitled and selfish people. I guess when you are judged by not who you are but what you earn, I can see how this would change society.

I hear what you are saying about the age of politicians. For once in Australia I would like to see anyone else other than a white, middle aged male who is a career politician as the PM. I would like fresh ideas, modern views etc. Unfortunately, all we keep getting is more and more of the same, and where has it got us, into record debt, and many social issues, housing and cost of living as examples.

I can only see things around the world getting worse, not any better.

18 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

From "no known FBI agent involvement" to "only a supporting role with CHSs" to "274 active armed agents in plain clothes, but only after the riot started":

Almost all FBI agents wear 'plain clothes' unless they're part of a special unit like SWAT. You just want to gin up emotions instead of focusing on reality. Get a grip.... most of us on AN are aware of your propaganda style of commentary.

3 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Ask your trusted sidekick Gemini to proofread when you try to use smart*ss words.

remember a few weeks ago when you claimed that the phrase 'remarkably difficult' actually means impossible ?

Your comment (quoted above) reminded me to ask Gemini :

does calling a task "remarkably difficult" imply that it is possible?

I know you're dying to run that query and see the result... so I'll let your excitement build.

Only dumb*sses would get it wrong. No wonder I thought that your English was weak.

2 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

remember a few weeks ago when you claimed that the phrase 'remarkably difficult' actually means impossible ?

Your comment (quoted above) reminded me to ask Gemini :

does calling a task "remarkably difficult" imply that it is possible?

I know you're dying to run that query and see the result... so I'll let your excitement build.

Only dumb*sses would get it wrong. No wonder I thought that your English was weak.

I will not derail the thread with off-topic bickering, so this will be my only tangential reply.

"you claimed that the phrase 'remarkably difficult' actually means impossible."

What I actually said (and you can easily check it in the relevant thread):

1. The use of the adverb 'categorically' followed by 'whether' de facto rules out certainty. 'Whether' introduces hypothesis and possibility. Had he meant otherwise, he would have said "it is still remarkably difficult to say categorically how the Earth moves".

2. "… and, if so, in what precise sense": in the second part of his sentence, Barbour further says that even under the hypothetical assumption that the Earth moves, it remains equally difficult to demonstrate unequivocally how this phemonenon occurs.

Now as you swear by AI, I have entered the following query in Gemini, which confirms my viewpoint. I encourage you to check it out:

From a grammatical viewpoint, what does he mean and imply by the phrase "it is still remarkably difficult to say categorically whether the Earth moves, and, if so, in what precise sense.”?

AI's conclusion (but do check out the whole answer):

By using these structures, he avoids making a simple yes/no statement. He uses complex syntax to imply that "movement" is a relative term, and a sophisticated understanding of physics requires defining one's reference frame.

"Defining one's reference frame": that was precisely the point of me adding this quote to begin with, and again, one can easily read the whole exhange in the relevant thread.

13 hours ago, XRules said:

Mate - you think that is bad - what about these figures below - very dubious result IMO. When you compare the votes of Obama 1, Trump 1, and Biden - the numbers dont add up.

Obama 69 million - Trump 74 million - Biden 81 million (66 million postal votes).

Counties — Obama 873 - Trump 2,497 - Biden 477.

Bellwether Counties — Obama 18 of 19 - Trump 18 of 19 - Biden 1 of 19.

Biden winning was actually a good thing - now the Dems are paying for that - they should have let him finish 4 more years. Biden getting 4 years showed the American People how bad the Dems really are, and gave Trump and his team 4 years to plan how to destroy them. In particular it gave the team 4 years to carefully vet and select the right people for each position in his Admin - no Benedict Arnolds inside the room anymore. Dan Bongino did not work out, but he was loyal and did the best he could. Pam Bondi is maybe not up to the job - but The Don knows a woman scorned etc., so he will manage things very carefully if a change is made. Everything is being exposed and the People are seeing them as they really are - they are not the Party they were under JFK. That is especially when the Dems have their activists rioting everywhere because of ICE removals - and also all the fraud and waste Trump's team is exposing.

A great post but the plan to expose everything has been in the works for many, many years. Not just because of the steal in 2020.

Pam Bondi has probably been totally overwhelmed with the sheer scale of the fraud etc and, to me, it makes total sense to get somebody in to help her and his job is to cover the fraud. If she still can’t hack it he will need to get somebody in who can. I personally think they are holding most of the indictments back and they will drop them at the same time and it won’t be long now.

Trump is addressing the WEF in a week or so and there will be fireworks there.

JFK will be spinning in his grave knowing what the latest Democratic party has become.

14 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Good post.

Correct me if I am wrong, and I mean no offense by this, but it appears to me that in America if you parents and grandparents always voted Democrat or Republican, then you will also always vote the same way, as they did. There appears to be very view swing voters in America. Australia is the same, but not to the same extent. If this is the case, it's a sad indictment. If there were more swing voters, American politicians would not be so narrow in their view. It appears to me to be a shame independents can't get more political traction in America.

In relation to serving their country, that's not something restricted to America. The current generation is all about themselves. Brought up in the Facebook era, they are a bunch of self entitled and selfish people. I guess when you are judged by not who you are but what you earn, I can see how this would change society.

I hear what you are saying about the age of politicians. For once in Australia I would like to see anyone else other than a white, middle aged male who is a career politician as the PM. I would like fresh ideas, modern views etc. Unfortunately, all we keep getting is more and more of the same, and where has it got us, into record debt, and many social issues, housing and cost of living as examples.

I can only see things around the world getting worse, not any better.

I have to agree totally with just about everything you said. I followed my father's votes but due to being educated about the policies quickly changed from one party to the other and then changed again to independent as neither candidate nor party policy agreed with my thinking. I have been against the politicians from almost as soon as I was old enough to vote and it has only gotten worse as the Superpacs just keep funding both parties' candidates with those that will keep the dollars flowing to the rich and powerful. Of course, I am totally different with my siblings who still vote along the same lines as my mom and dad did. To avoid arguments, we don't don't discuss politics as a rule. I also really agree that social media has ruined the average person it seems and all one has to do is take a quick look at YT videos complaining about everything and talking up the opposite and then the next day those same folks chant the opposite of the previous claims. Yet I hear folks telling me to do this or that from what they saw and I know for a fact some (most I think) are totally false and people just continue to make new videos to make easy money without really having any talent except lying. IMHO anyway. But I am old school, not into smart phones, in my office I was responsible for over 50 computers and learned very little about them as I had admin assistants to keep them running and fixing my mistakes. I spend very little time on the forum, just do a quick check in the AM to see if anyone needs some advice that I might be able to provide but that is less and less nowadays. I retired in Thailand over 20 years ago and still consider it to be paradise.

15 hours ago, rasg said:

A great post but the plan to expose everything has been in the works for many, many years. Not just because of the steal in 2020.

What steal in 2020? Trump's attempt to steal it failed! Keep up to date! 😄

19 hours ago, rasg said:

A great post but the plan to expose everything has been in the works for many, many years. Not just because of the steal in 2020.

Pam Bondi has probably been totally overwhelmed with the sheer scale of the fraud etc and, to me, it makes total sense to get somebody in to help her and his job is to cover the fraud. If she still can’t hack it he will need to get somebody in who can. I personally think they are holding most of the indictments back and they will drop them at the same time and it won’t be long now.

Trump is addressing the WEF in a week or so and there will be fireworks there.

JFK will be spinning in his grave knowing what the latest Democratic party has become.

Yes I agree - Pam Bondi and the Trump Admin in general had no idea how much fraud and cheating has been going on. Pam is seeming to be doing SFA - and that could be the case and she is just not up to the job. BUT it could also mean that she and her team know they do not have absolute Court admissible proof of any allegations she makes in the charges she lodges. One thing about the Dems - they are very skilled at hiding their corruption and activities (al la Clintons). It is one thing to know a person is guilty - it is another thing altogether to be able to prove it in a Court. We all know Nancy Pelosi is guilty of insider trading - but being able to prove that in a Court - no chance. We all know OJ Simpson was guilty, but they could not prove him guilty in Court. And on and on it goes - Justice is not about guilt or innocence - it is about Court acceptable proof.

Trump is changing the agenda - worldwide. USA has just withdrawn funding and participation from 66 Globalist/UN organisations - he is going to do a lot more than that - and yes the WEF speech will be interesting to say the least.

JFK's nephew has joined the Trump team - that is how far left the Dems have gone.

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