4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

She started forward, spinning the wheels. Don't know if she even saw the agent in front

The agent in front fired 3 times. One round at leastthrough the windscreen

You missed a step between six and seven.

She pressed down on the accelerator for a second time and this time the wheels did not spin and the vehicle headed forward.

In that very brief moment the officer saw the vehicle coming towards him and fired.

There is no way that in that tiny moment he could look down at the wheels and see that they were turning away from him.

Jonathan Ross

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ICE agent who shot Renee Good three times in the face is...

Multiple videos show the agent, identified as Ross, opening fire on Good and hitting her in the face while she was behind the wheel.

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Jonathan Ross

Mail Online

ICE agent who shot Renee Good three times in the face is...

Multiple videos show the agent, identified as Ross, opening fire on Good and hitting her in the face while she was behind the wheel.

Go get him tough guy!

4 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

You missed a step between six and seven.

She pressed down on the accelerator for a second time and this time the wheels did not spin and the vehicle headed forward.

In that very brief moment the officer saw the vehicle coming towards him and fired.

There is no way that in that tiny moment he could look down at the wheels and see that they were turning away from him.

Fair enough. I didn't want to get into the idea of whether or not he saw the wheels spinning, turning away from him, etc. Personally, I think if you are standing in front of a vehicle you can't see the wheels at all. Perhaps he heard the spinning briefly before she accelerated, but again we don't know what he did or did not hear.

1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

Fair enough. I didn't want to get into the idea of whether or not he saw the wheels spinning, turning away from him, etc. Personally, I think if you are standing in front of a vehicle you can't see the wheels at all. Perhaps he heard the spinning briefly before she accelerated, but again we don't know what he did or did not hear.

Yet we are told by @CygnusX1 , a fellow MAGA that the car was moving at a snail's pace.

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Being hit by a car is the definition of being run over by a car. Surely your hate for Trump doesn't affect your eyes. Alas emotions often override rationality. The woman hit the officer with her car. There is video evidence. As I've said if she had just got out of the car when directed to do so or even better if she wasn't interfering with ICE operations in the first place she'd be alive.

This is no evidence the woman was hit by the car. Watch the video from the BBC C

29 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Then how, pray tell, did one of the bullets enter through the FRONT windscreen of the SUV?

People throwing the "M" word around need to calm down. Same as idiots like Noem who call the deceased a "domestic terrorist".

The bullet entered the front windscreen because he initially was in front of the car and fired at the driver as she began to pull off, turning to the right.

Immediately after firing that first shot, he sidesteps the car's tyres, the video clearly shows his legs emerging, and empties another two shots into the driver through the open window.

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

I mean, God forbid if we let an investigation happen before leaping towards a conclusion that by coincidence happens to align perfectly with our political beliefs...

From what I saw, it happened like this (trying to not mind-read the principals)

1. Good stopped her car in the middle of the road, perpendicular to traffic, blocking the ICE agents' vehicles. This is a criminal act.

2. An agent approached her car. She stopped and rolled down her window. She knew he was an agent, not a random hood wearing stranger

3. They talked. The agent was leaning on her door frame

4. She started to reverse, startling the agent

5. Meanwhile another agent had moved in front of the car

6. She started forward, spinning the wheels. Don't know if she even saw the agent in front

7. The agent in front fired 3 times. One round at least through the windscreen

Other than that, it is all speculation

Ya missed the part were the gun toting masked man was trying to yank her door open for starters,also her wheels cranked hard over to the right. also the idiot who shot her had his fellow gun toting masked thugs in the line of fire….that fool only had to twitch a bit to his right or a ricochet off the soccer moms door post to kill one of his fellow trump goons….that idiot shouldent be allowed to drive let alone have a gun.+ as she was fleeing he fired into the soccer moms open window scattering her brains all over her husband…..naaa nope all stop that was a major major # up all the lying denying and defying won’t change that.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Go get him tough guy!

Antifa is on the case all aided by mate's Musk's X.

5 minutes ago, bannork said:

This is no evidence the woman was hit by the car. Watch the video from the BBC C

The bullet entered the front windscreen because he initially was in front of the car and fired at the driver as she began to pull off, turning to the right.

Immediately after firing that first shot, he sidesteps the car's tyres, the video clearly shows his legs emerging, and empties another two shots into the driver through the open window.

No one is claiming the woman was hit by a car

Kristi Noem is one of the most ridiculous, simplistic and cruel people in this circus cabinet of Trump's. Her response was so lame, so fake and so unbelievable, that it was likely dismissed by the vast majority of Americans, and ridiculed around the world.

This administration just gets more and more rank by the day, and ICE has become the new group of domestic terrorists. Shame on them. Shame on Trump.

Apparently, the same ICE agent that shot the criminal protester, was dragged down the road by his arm stuck in the window of a criminal illegal alien child molester (another hero to the left) last June

8 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yet we are told by @CygnusX1 , a fellow MAGA that the car was moving at a snail's pace.

Yes, the car was moving at a snail’s pace, from a standing start!! Watch the video again. Thank God for that video, without it, I’m ashamed to say my sympathies would have probably been with the ICE agent. As for being a fellow MAGA, you do realise that it’s possible for someone to both despise Trump and despise woke leftists?

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Just now, spidermike007 said:

Yes, the car was moving at a snail’s pace, from a standing start!! Watch the video again. Thank God for that video, without it, I’m ashamed to say my sympathies would have probably been with the ICE agent. As for being a fellow MAGA, you do realise that it’s possible for someone to both despise Trump and despise woke leftists?

How did the car get a hundred yards down road at a snail's pace?

This is a very sad and tragic situation, and it’s natural that everyone feels strongly about it.

Nevertheless, please try to keep the discussion polite.

Thank you

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How did the car get a hundred yards down road at a snail's pace?

That’s how acceleration works (first derivative of speed) - at first the car moves slowly, then speed increases. Even an F1 car is moving slowly in the first couple of feet from a standing start.

16 minutes ago, CygnusX1 said:

Yes, the car was moving at a snail’s pace, from a standing start!! Watch the video again. Thank God for that video, without it, I’m ashamed to say my sympathies would have probably been with the ICE agent. As for being a fellow MAGA, you do realise that it’s possible for someone to both despise Trump and despise woke leftists?

And in that is a very important point.

Many conservatives will view this tragedy, the evidence presented and the Administration’s response.

Then decide for themselves what it means to them, their family and their values.

3 hours ago, Paradise Pete said:

Here's a good breakdown:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000010631041/minneapolis-ice-shooting-video.html

Thanks.

At 2:30 - 2:35 it clearly shows her ramming her car into the ICE agent.

It blows my mind that a young mother would put her life in danger to protect foreign criminals rather than stay home and look after her 6 year old son. The mind virus is strong.

24 minutes ago, Tug said:

Ya missed the part were the gun toting masked man was trying to yank her door open for starters,also her wheels cranked hard over to the right. also the idiot who shot her had his fellow gun toting masked thugs in the line of fire….that fool only had to twitch a bit to his right or a ricochet off the soccer moms door post to kill one of his fellow trump goons….that idiot shouldent be allowed to drive let alone have a gun.+ as she was fleeing he fired into the soccer moms open window scattering her brains all over her husband…..naaa nope all stop that was a major major # up all the lying denying and defying won’t change that.

Let's dissect this;

1. "Gun toting masked man". You mean uniformed law enforcement agent (known as such by Good)

2. "Trying to yank her door open". You mean gave a lawful order for her to exit the car. Tried to open the door when she refused.

3. "Wheels cranked hard over to the right". Wheels were straight when she reversed. The agent in front could not see her wheels.

4. "fellow Trump goons". You mean other federal agents. No evidence of when they were hired or who they voted for.

5. "soccer mom". You mean out of state resident who came to Minnesota to confront ICE agents

6. "all over her husband". She was a lesbian. No husband. Nobody else in the car. Her WIFE was outside the car, filming everything for social media.

Other than those few quibbles, you wrote an accurate and nonbiased assessment of the situation.

As for the shooting endangering others, that is a valid concern. It will be brought up in the investigation.

Just now, CygnusX1 said:

That’s how acceleration works (first derivative of speed) - at first the car moves slowly, then speed increases. Even an F1 car is moving slowly in the first couple of feet from a standing start.

You said a snail's pace. Who has to jump out of the way of a snail?

And no, speed is not the first derivative of acceleration, that would be velocity.

This was an act of murder, pure and simple. The videos prove it. Disgusting that 'domestic terrorism' is being used to justify the murder. This is a term being used way too often to justify illegal, brutal behavior by the government. Important to remember that ICE agents are not police and do not have policing powers. They had no legal right to attempt to pull the woman out of her car, nor to detain her leaving.

12 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

"all over her husband". She was a lesbian. No husband. Nobody else in the car. Her WIFE was outside the car, filming everything for social media.

Hahahah priceless.

2 minutes ago, newnative said:

This was an act of murder, pure and simple. The videos prove it. Disgusting that 'domestic terrorism' is being used to justify the murder. This is a term being used way too often to justify illegal, brutal behavior by the government. Important to remember that ICE agents are not police and do not have policing powers. They had no legal right to attempt to pull the woman out of her car, nor to detain her leaving.

Was Ashli Babbitt murdered?

11 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Let's dissect this;

1. "Gun toting masked man". You mean uniformed law enforcement agent (known as such by Good)

2. "Trying to yank her door open". You mean gave a lawful order for her to exit the car. Tried to open the door when she refused.

3. "Wheels cranked hard over to the right". Wheels were straight when she reversed. The agent in front could not see her wheels.

4. "fellow Trump goons". You mean other federal agents. No evidence of when they were hired or who they voted for.

5. "soccer mom". You mean out of state resident who came to Minnesota to confront ICE agents

6. "all over her husband". She was a lesbian. No husband. Nobody else in the car. Her WIFE was outside the car, filming everything for social media.

Other than those few quibbles, you wrote an accurate and nonbiased assessment of the situation.

As for the shooting endangering others, that is a valid concern. It will be brought up in the investigation.

The less rabidly rightwing amongst Americans who vote will be looking at what happened and how the administration are trying to spin it.

Masked unidentified Government ‘agents’ shooting a mother in the face.

Let’s not pretend even you don’t understand the message that sends to moderate voters.

This is always going to be a he said she said, I have watched several of the videos, there is one that shows the tyres in a slowed down action, when she starts to go forward the tyres are spinning and pointing straight ahead towards the ice agent and turn after the first shot, when watching at normal speed this is not obvious and looks like she was turning, the only way to sort this out as to the facts will be an honest independant team with no political favour to either side. What makes this all worse are the leaders that are telling citizens to get in the way and protest the ice actions instead of following the law, the left does have a lot to answer for promoting people to break the law leading to instances like this.

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Was Ashli Babbitt murdered?

No.

She was lawfully killed while attempting to break into the Capitol.

RIP.

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And in that is a very important point.

Many conservatives will view this tragedy, the evidence presented and the Administration’s response.

Then decide for themselves what it means to them, their family and their values.

Most conservatives (unlike leftists) do not approve of criminal protesters blocking traffic, failing to comply, interfering with government agents in their using duties, fleeing a crime scene, and assault with a deadly weapon. While those things make you a hero to the left, to the right? Not so much.

4 minutes ago, seajae said:

This is always going to be a he said she said, I have watched several of the videos, there is one that shows the tyres in a slowed down action, when she starts to go forward the tyres are spinning and pointing straight ahead towards the ice agent and turn after the first shot, when watching at normal speed this is not obvious and looks like she was turning, the only way to sort this out as to the facts will be an honest independant team with no political favour to either side. What makes this all worse are the leaders that are telling citizens to get in the way and protest the ice actions instead of following the law, the left does have a lot to answer for promoting people to break the law leading to instances like this.

People have right to protest.

ICE have no jurisdiction over Citizens.

Just now, Yellowtail said:

Most conservatives (unlike leftists) do not approve of criminal protesters blocking traffic, failing to comply, interfering with government agents in their using duties, fleeing a crime scene, and assault with a deadly weapon. While those things make you a hero to the left, to the right? Not so much.

There is no such thing as a criminal protest.

It is like the rest of your post gaslighting.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

People have right to protest.

ICE have no jurisdiction over Citizens.

Did the people on January 6th have the right to protest?

Yes, people have the right to protest, but protesters do not have the right to block traffic, fail to comply, interfere with federal agents performing their duties, flee a crime scene, or assault federal agents with a deadly weapon.