I read the news today, oboy. Israel's war on Gaza has not stopped and land theft is proceeding apace in the West Bank.

Do Jews have a monopoly on racism, with its own special name, antisemitism?

There are few such commonly thrown-around special terms for individual groups, maybe anti-American or anti-Muslim or (hehe) Antifa. But none of them have the anguished ring of antisemitism, do they?

There are racists everywhere. Are a certain percentage of Jewish Israelis not racist to Palestinians or, even more broadly, Muslims.

Sorry, folks, you may consider yourselves 'the chosen people' but, to the rest of us, that makes you in no way special. You're just human, like everybody else. Sorry to disappoint.

The way Israeli govt acts in your name has no basis in the Torah or Talmud. It's simply ethnic cleansing. You should be ashamed to support it. Don't call yourselves religious. Religions teach peace, not war.

Judaism is an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds, not like Christianity and Islam.

Many Israel demonizers fail to get that basic fact that Jewish is BOTH a people and a religion. Jewish people are not a monolith, You can be an atheist and also a Jewish person. Israeli government is not an expression of the Jewish religion or the Talmud -- it's an expression of the Israeli government, which yes is democratically elected.

I find your entire premise with the typical "chosen" trope used as an insulting weapon to be highly ignorant and inflammatory.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Judaism is an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds, not like Christianity and Islam.

Many Israel demonizers fail to get that basic fact that Jewish is BOTH a people and a religion. Jewish people are not a monolith, You can be an atheist and also a Jewish person. Israeli government is not an expression of the Jewish religion or the Talmud -- it's an expression of the Israeli government, which yes is democratically elected.

I find your entire premise with the typical "chosen" trope used as an insulting weapon to be highly ignorant and inflammatory.

Democratic elections and a Jewish faith have no contradiction. But I would bet you, you'll not find any (if any at all) Atheists in Israel. And in my view, those in power in Israel have an extreme bond to Jewish religion, to the point where they disregard any other religions present in Israel, like the Islam (many) and Christianity (a minority), even when the people hold an Israeli citizenship.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Judaism is an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds, not like Christianity and Islam.

Many Israel demonizers fail to get that basic fact that Jewish is BOTH a people and a religion. Jewish people are not a monolith, You can be an atheist and also a Jewish person. Israeli government is not an expression of the Jewish religion or the Talmud -- it's an expression of the Israeli government, which yes is democratically elected.

I find your entire premise with the typical "chosen" trope used as an insulting weapon to be highly ignorant and inflammatory.

I don't mean to inflame anyone. What you state might be similar to Indonesian Muslim, meaning the majority faction. There are others than Jews living in Israel.

Hm. Donald Trump is democratically elected, too. Doesn't mean he's right. Antisemitism is simple racism and Jews do not have a monopoly on that, either for or against.

I'll be glad when Bibi is brought to justice, just as I'll be glad to see Trump there, too.

5 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

Democratic elections and a Jewish faith have no contradiction. But I would bet you, you'll not find any (if any at all) Atheists in Israel. And in my view, those in power in Israel have an extreme bond to Jewish religion, to the point where they disregard any other religions present in Israel, like the Islam (many) and Christianity (a minority), even when the people hold an Israeli citizenship.

Thank you. I consider Israel thus a theocracy, the same as Iran. And let's not forget the Druze, who are also conscripted by Israel.

4 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I read the news today, oboy. Israel's war on Gaza has not stopped and land theft is proceeding apace in the West Bank.

Do Jews have a monopoly on racism, with its own special name, antisemitism?

There are few such commonly thrown-around special terms for individual groups, maybe anti-American or anti-Muslim or (hehe) Antifa. But none of them have the anguished ring of antisemitism, do they?

There are racists everywhere. Are a certain percentage of Jewish Israelis not racist to Palestinians or, even more broadly, Muslims.

Sorry, folks, you may consider yourselves 'the chosen people' but, to the rest of us, that makes you in no way special. You're just human, like everybody else. Sorry to disappoint.

The way Israeli govt acts in your name has no basis in the Torah or Talmud. It's simply ethnic cleansing. You should be ashamed to support it. Don't call yourselves religious. Religions teach peace, not war.

I remember I read the Bible long time ago, and the old testament Hebrew bible) which basically is built on the Torah, approve and demand ethnical cleansing to clear the promised land.

And voila

Check the Deuteronomy and Joshua Command

In Deuteronomy and Joshua, the command to "cleanse" the Promised Land refers to the divine mandate to remove its current inhabitants and eradicate their religious practices before the Israelites settled there.

Core Commands in Deuteronomy

Moses delivered several specific instructions to ensure the land remained "holy" and free from foreign influences:

Total Displacement: In Deuteronomy 7:1–2, God commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and "make no covenant" with seven specific nations: the Hittites, Girga<deleted>es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites.

The "Ban" (Herem): Deuteronomy 20:16–17 mandates that in the cities given as an inheritance, "you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive".

Religious Purging: The Israelites were ordered to destroy all pagan religious objects, including altars, sacred pillars, and idols, to prevent being ensnared by foreign worship.

Execution in the Book of Joshua

As Moses' successor, Joshua was tasked with leading the military campaign to fulfill these commands:

Military Conquest: Joshua 6–12 details the conquest of major cities like Jericho and Ai, where the principle of herem (complete destruction) was often applied.

Divine Guidance: The text emphasizes that God himself would "drive out" the inhabitants, with Israel acting as the instrument of judgment.

Reasons for the Cleansing

The biblical narrative provides three primary justifications for these harsh commands:

Judgment for Wickedness: The cleansing was framed as a "corporate capital punishment" for the Canaanites' practices, which included child sacrifice, incest, and idolatry.

Spiritual Protection: By removing the inhabitants, God intended to prevent the Israelites from being "taught to do according to all their detestable things," which would lead them into sin and eventual exile.

Covenant Fulfillment: This process was seen as fulfilling the long-standing promise made to Abraham to provide his descendants with a land of their own.

53 minutes ago, SpaceKadet said:

Democratic elections and a Jewish faith have no contradiction. But I would bet you, you'll not find any (if any at all) Atheists in Israel. And in my view, those in power in Israel have an extreme bond to Jewish religion, to the point where they disregard any other religions present in Israel, like the Islam (many) and Christianity (a minority), even when the people hold an Israeli citizenship.

Again, you're making the same basic mistake -- conflating Jewish people with the religion.

Yes, obviously Israeli governments have been very right wing for a very long time. That's kind of their choice as a democracy, yes?

I've read some clueless opinions in my time but to assert that atheists are rare among the 80 percent majority Jewish PEOPLE in Israel takes the cake.

That's completely ridiculous and TOTALLY WRONG. You really lost any credibility on this issue by stating that belief. As silly as saying the earth is flat

Religion has outsized role in Israel, yet most of its Jews aren't really observant | The Times of Israel

www.timesofisrael.com/religion-has-outsized-role-in-israel-yet-most-of-its-jews-arent-really-observant/

57 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Thank you. I consider Israel thus a theocracy, the same as Iran. And let's not forget the Druze, who are also conscripted by Israel.

Israel is a democracy with theocratic aspects because Israel was founded based on the ideology of political Zionism -- that the Jewish PEOPLE needed a homeland as two thousand years in the diaspora wasn't working out so great. That political ideology is much older than World War 2.

There is no such thing in the world as a pure or perfect democracy. Each democracy has its own localized elements. Israel is no different.

Druze have the choice to serve. They are not required.

What other falsehoods would you like to broadcast?

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Thank you. I consider Israel thus a theocracy, the same as Iran. And let's not forget the Druze, who are also conscripted by Israel.

You said thank you to a post riddled with falsehoods.

1 hour ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I don't mean to inflame anyone. What you state might be similar to Indonesian Muslim, meaning the majority faction. There are others than Jews living in Israel.

Hm. Donald Trump is democratically elected, too. Doesn't mean he's right. Antisemitism is simple racism and Jews do not have a monopoly on that, either for or against.

I'll be glad when Bibi is brought to justice, just as I'll be glad to see Trump there, too.

Not a Trump topic.

Getting rid of Netanyahu doesn't solve Israel's far right wing government any more than getting rid of Maduro changed the government in Venezuela. But yes he is a war criminal. The problem is more fundamental.

5 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Sorry, folks, you may consider yourselves 'the chosen people'

where does that come from?

religious indoctrination?

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Getting rid of Netanyahu doesn't solve Israel's far right wing government any more than getting rid of Maduro

But chopping his head off might send a message to the next guy.

But it's never going to happen because it's all "Biblical Prophecy".

18 hours ago, save the frogs said:

where does that come from?

religious indoctrination?

Only ignorant hateful people taken the term "chosen" out of context. They pervert its intent to serve their hateful intent.They are so fixated on twisting things to suit their evil goals that they ignore what the term actually means or what jews believe. Jews have a core belief that every human being, Jew and non jew, is created in the Divine image. It allows for inclusivity not exclusivity since you don't have to be jewish to be a good person or to enjoy God's blessing. Try that on for size with other religions who say that you only get that if you join up.

Chosen means agreeing to follow their God's will and commandments as set out in the bible, specifically to be a monotheistic people and to not engage in idolatry. Chosen means accepting that they are held to a higher standard of obeying God and they are to bring enlightenment to others. Anyone can participate. Many non jews don't like that since it offers inclusivity rather than exclusivity.

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

Chosen means accepting that they are held to a higher standard of obeying God and they are to bring enlightenment to others.

By following the Bible, which advocates murder to protect an alleged "holy land", they are holding themself to a lower standard, not a higher standard.

I feel sorry for these brain-washed people.

People don't believe in conspiracies, and religions are one of the oldest and biggest conspiracies of all.

11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

By following the Bible, which advocates murder to protect an alleged "holy land", they are holding themself to a lower standard, not a higher standard.

I feel sorry for these brain-washed people.

People don't believe in conspiracies, and religions are one of the oldest and biggest conspiracies of all.

The bible does not advocate murder to protect the holy land. Where does it say that? That's you looking to villianize people.

23 hours ago, Hummin said:

I remember I read the Bible long time ago, and the old testament Hebrew bible) which basically is built on the Torah, approve and demand ethnical cleansing to clear the promised land.

And voila

Check the Deuteronomy and Joshua Command

In Deuteronomy and Joshua, the command to "cleanse" the Promised Land refers to the divine mandate to remove its current inhabitants and eradicate their religious practices before the Israelites settled there.

Core Commands in Deuteronomy

Moses delivered several specific instructions to ensure the land remained "holy" and free from foreign influences:

Total Displacement: In Deuteronomy 7:1–2, God commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and "make no covenant" with seven specific nations: the Hittites, Girga<deleted>es, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites.

The "Ban" (Herem): Deuteronomy 20:16–17 mandates that in the cities given as an inheritance, "you shall let nothing that breathes remain alive".

Religious Purging: The Israelites were ordered to destroy all pagan religious objects, including altars, sacred pillars, and idols, to prevent being ensnared by foreign worship.

Execution in the Book of Joshua

As Moses' successor, Joshua was tasked with leading the military campaign to fulfill these commands:

Military Conquest: Joshua 6–12 details the conquest of major cities like Jericho and Ai, where the principle of herem (complete destruction) was often applied.

Divine Guidance: The text emphasizes that God himself would "drive out" the inhabitants, with Israel acting as the instrument of judgment.

Reasons for the Cleansing

The biblical narrative provides three primary justifications for these harsh commands:

Judgment for Wickedness: The cleansing was framed as a "corporate capital punishment" for the Canaanites' practices, which included child sacrifice, incest, and idolatry.

Spiritual Protection: By removing the inhabitants, God intended to prevent the Israelites from being "taught to do according to all their detestable things," which would lead them into sin and eventual exile.

Covenant Fulfillment: This process was seen as fulfilling the long-standing promise made to Abraham to provide his descendants with a land of their own.

Sounds like you read the Holy Bible more than once! My first reading was in Greek, one of the earliest translations and thus less likely to be corrupt. If I'm not mistaken the Hebrew version was a latecomer, though, of course, the Torah and Talmud were studied in Yiddish.

These quotes are exactly why I think all religions are vicious, heathen fantasies. Some people get off on porn, others on vengeance. I know which I'd prefer.

First thing to consider is that the governance on either side on this never ending war, in clean. Both sides are ruled by a bunch of corrupt. This being said, the international community has not done a thing for the past 50 or 60 years on the issue, so if anybody is fully to blame, it's the global community who is allowing the tensions to persist, starting with America.

The map of Israel drawn by the allies after WW2 and the absurd and unfair territory split has ever since been fueling the hostility and war between the jews and the muslims. Both sides are victims of rash post ww2 governance. Much to the benefit of international arms dealers; legitimate or illegetimate.

What's happening now on The West Bank is akin to apartheid in South Africa.

For the record, I am not anti semetic. Just calling it as I, and many others around the world, see it. 🙂

This discussion has reminded me of Israel's Right to Return law.

The Brits clearly had no 'mandate' over Palestine--they stole it, like the rest of their colonial empire. In collusion with the United States, Britain gave Palestine to Jews. Was this pure generosity? Of course not! Imperialists don't cede territory unless forced to do so. However, in this case, the guilt of the Allies for failing to protect European Jews from the Nazis was a political burden. Not a moral one, politicians have no morals. So they took this land they stole and gave it away to a third party who again stole it from its rightful owners, the Palestinians.

Would either side have accepted a two-state solution in 1949? We'll never know, and Israel has opposed it for 75 years. Perhaps that would have provided a sense of belonging and security for the Palestinians. We'll never know.

There were true borders between Israel and Palestine up until the 1967 Nakba when Israel stole yet more Palestinian land. Perhaps keeping those borders would have bought Palestinians some peace. We'll never know.

Which brings me back to the Right of Return. If Jews have the Right of Return to Israel, why don't the Palestinians have a similar right to return to their homeland??? It's paradoxical! And once again Israel continues stealing Palestinian land.

On 1/8/2026 at 9:07 AM, Jingthing said:

Judaism is an ETHNORELIGIOUS group, like the Kurds, not like Christianity and Islam.

Many Israel demonizers fail to get that basic fact that Jewish is BOTH a people and a religion. Jewish people are not a monolith, You can be an atheist and also a Jewish person. Israeli government is not an expression of the Jewish religion or the Talmud -- it's an expression of the Israeli government, which yes is democratically elected.

I find your entire premise with the typical "chosen" trope used as an insulting weapon to be highly ignorant and inflammatory.

All well and good.

In another thread I have asked why Jews were prosecuted over the centuries, up to this day. No conclusive answer so far.

WHY not?

Conclusion? Why? Try your best. And don't feel personally attacked whenever such a question arises.

l

21 minutes ago, swissie said:

All well and good.

In another thread I have asked why Jews were prosecuted over the centuries, up to this day. No conclusive answer so far.

WHY not?

Conclusion? Why? Try your best. And don't feel personally attacked whenever such a question arises.

l

Troll bait ignored.

9 hours ago, swissie said:

All well and good.

In another thread I have asked why Jews were prosecuted over the centuries, up to this day. No conclusive answer so far.

WHY not?

Conclusion? Why? Try your best. And don't feel personally attacked whenever such a question arises.

l

I'm waiting for a larger discussion of just this, too.

The question of why have Jewish people been hated so often in history (and now a modern spike again) is generally asked by three groups of people:

Jewish people themselves

Jew haters asking a baiting question implying or sometimes explicitly stating that Jews deserve their long history of being persecuted. On the social media/forum internet, this hateful group dominates dramatically.

A smaller percentage, non-Jewish people who aren't Jew haters who are sincerely curious perhaps from an academic POV.

Perhaps Jews should assimilate more and not be so Jewy.

Jew haters don't care either way (see history).

Anyway, for those that are sincerely interested (I'm not personally qualified to be spokesperson to address this weighty topic), I think Sections 2 and 3 from this link will be of interest.

10 Tough Questions on Antisemitism Explained | AJC

www.ajc.org/news/10-tough-questions-on-antisemitism-explained

Cheers.

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The question of why have Jewish people been hated so often in history (and now a modern spike again) is generally asked by three groups of people:

Jewish people themselves

10 Tough Questions on Antisemitism Explained | AJC

www.ajc.org/news/10-tough-questions-on-antisemitism-explained

Cheers.

I should have stop reading at "Did Israel bomb a hospital?" (Indisputable fact.) Then we get to Black Muslims in the US. (WTF!) Deicide? (I thought that was the Roman who ordered the crucifixion.) "Globalise the intifada"--not a chance but, yes, Globalise the Nakba. And I think hate speech against any person or group should be criminalised. Holocaust-deniers are scum.

What I get most from these 10 questions is that the AJC refuses to separate Jews from Israeli political leaders. The AJC also tells us that advocating a two-state solution is antisemitism. (another WTF!)

Racists are usually anti-semites too. And anti semites are usually racists. The mentally ill need someone to hate and blame.