1 minute ago, Artisi said:

Irrespective of your clouded one-sided view, killing this woman was not and will never be justified however you like to dress it up, twist, manipulate and blame the woman, she was murdered by an out of control gun happy nutter.

She refused to obey instructions from a guy with a gun, if he was trigger happy or out of control as some are alleging then that in itself, rightly or wrongly is a very good reason to do as one is told.

Had she done as she was told and got out of the car with her hands up she would not have been shot I would have done exactly that and I would still be here today, I certainly would not have agreed to my partner videoing the incident

2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

She refused to obey instructions from a guy with a gun, if he was trigger happy or out of control as some are alleging then that in itself, rightly or wrongly is a very good reason to do as one is told.

Had she done as she was told and got out of the car with her hands up she would not have been shot I would have done exactly that and I would still be here today, I certainly would not have agreed to my partner videoing the incident

No, the agent is a loose cannon, the media knows he is, law enforcement knows he is, FBI firearms instructor knows he is, just you and a few other nutters on here don't.....🙄

11 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Irrespective of your clouded one-sided view, killing this woman was not and will never be justified however you like to dress it up, twist, manipulate and blame the woman, she was murdered by an out of control gun happy nutter.

Your view is not clouded and one sided?

3 minutes ago, transam said:

No, the agent is a loose cannon, the media knows he is, law enforcement knows he is, FBI firearms instructor knows he is, just you and a few other nutters on here don't.....🙄

me and my fellow nutters are just as entitled to our opinions as you and your fellow nutters

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Your view is not clouded and one sided?

It is factual.........🤗

Just now, Bday Prang said:

me and my fellow nutters are just as entitled to our opinions as you and your fell

Of course, you are, and I enjoy calling out the nutters' daftness.......🤗

27 minutes ago, Artisi said:

So let's discuss the real actions of all parties and outcomes of this event.

isn't that what has been happening throughout the the previous 24 pages of this thread ?

Just now, transam said:

Of course, you are, and I enjoy calling out the nutters' daftness.......🤗

And you have no issues displaying your own, fair play to you

Just now, Bday Prang said:

And you have no issues displaying your own fair play to you

Eh...? 🤔

39 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

rubbish, the fact that she is a mother has no bearing on this incident , the reason for mentioning it was clearly emotional, see my previous post

There is nothing "pedantic" about calling this out

And if he had said, father - guess that would be ok with you, right?

Just now, Artisi said:

And if he had said, father - guess that would be ok with you, right?

As expected you guess wrong , No that would also be irrelevant and as ridiculous as referring to her lesbian lover as her wife or husband

22 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

isn't that what has been happening throughout the the previous 24 pages of this thread ?

No.

52 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

You are correct. But this was NOT a traffic violation. It was a deliberate technique to interfere with the ICE officers as they were performing their duty. Which made her subject to their jurisdiction. She was part of a group of cars whose sole purpose was to follow ICE agents around and get in their way. That is why, in addition to blocking the street, she leaned on her horn for a good 3 minutes. Meanwhile, he wife got out to film the whole thing. Would she film a mere traffic violation? I think not.

ice had police and FBI as part of their Raid contingent, and it was their responsibility not ICE. The ICE guys were all pumped up on adrenaline and their own ego, (like many law enforcement), and caused the relative calm but annoying situation to turn into a unnecessary murder.

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

ice had police and FBI as part of their Raid contingent, and it was their responsibility not ICE. The ICE guys were all pumped up on adrenaline and their own ego, (like many law enforcement), and caused the relative calm but annoying situation to turn into a unnecessary murder.

Do you have a link that supports this?

9 minutes ago, Dan O said:

The ICE guys were all pumped up on adrenaline and their own ego, (like many law enforcement),

Would you prefer it if social workers pumped up on wokeness were tasked with the deportation of illegal immigrants , many of whom are convicted sex offenders and many of whom are violent gang members, ( albeit with a right to a family life lol)

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you have a link that supports this?

The murder supports it.

20 hours ago, transam said:

Yet another rather silly post, and of course, it is from a Trump supporter.............😁

Another stupid and another lie and of course it comes from the loony left. 🤣🤣

20 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Another well thought out response from the high IQ left.

The yellow 7/24 tail posts 7days/24hours MAGA <deleted>.
This Donnie-troll pretends to be intellectual, but those who support Donnie and his politics have to be sick in the brain.
As it says so aptly in Goethe's 'FAUST': '... and if you are not willing, I need force.' This is Donnie's Maga policy. And that includes ICE.

On 1/9/2026 at 9:04 AM, Hanaguma said:

Assuming facts not known. Do you have any evidence that the shooter knew her?

If it would be like you say in your initial OP, then it would have been a very bad ICE agent to not be aware of which people could pose a threat to them. Therefore, it´s quite sure that he knew who she was.

16 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

She refused to obey instructions from a guy with a gun, if he was trigger happy or out of control as some are alleging then that in itself, rightly or wrongly is a very good reason to do as one is told.

Had she done as she was told and got out of the car with her hands up she would not have been shot I would have done exactly that and I would still be here today, I certainly would not have agreed to my partner videoing the incident

We could probably say about most murder victims (as my dad used to say about crime victims) "if they had stayed at home they would be alright".

True enough. Still murdered though.

7 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

If it would be like you say in your initial OP, then it would have been a very bad ICE agent to not be aware of which people could pose a threat to them. Therefore, it´s quite sure that he knew who she was.

How could an ICE agent possibly know who was a threat and who wasn't?

Anyone inside a vehicle is a threat.

42 minutes ago, BerndD said:

The yellow 7/24 tail posts 7days/24hours MAGA <deleted>.
This Donnie-troll pretends to be intellectual, but those who support Donnie and his politics have to be sick in the brain.
As it says so aptly in Goethe's 'FAUST': '... and if you are not willing, I need force.' This is Donnie's Maga policy. And that includes ICE.

And yet another well thought out response from the high IQ left.

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How could an ICE agent possibly know who was a threat and who wasn't?

Anyone inside a vehicle is a threat.

Seems to me that you guys make her up to be a well-known person. If an agent no have knowledge of such facts, then he has not done his homework.

And why would anyone inside a vehicle be a threat? Most people just go out and drive to work or the supermarket.

11 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Seems to me that you guys make her up to be a well-known person. If an agent no have knowledge of such facts, then he has not done his homework.

How would an agent be expected to know who this woman is?

What "homework" should a law enforcement officer be doing at the end of their shift?

11 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

And why would anyone inside a vehicle be a threat?

Because they can use the vehicle as a weapon.

11 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Most people just go out and drive to work or the supermarket.

And the people that do, have no issues with federal law enforcement.

Do you generally support deporting illegal aliens?

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How would an agent be expected to know who this woman is?

What "homework" should a law enforcement officer be doing at the end of their shift?

Because they can use the vehicle as a weapon.

And the people that do, have no issues with federal law enforcement.

Do you generally support deporting illegal aliens?

1. An agent should be aware of apparently known person who can pose a threat. It´s in the agents work assignment.

2. I was not using homework as a school thing. I let you figure out the meaning.

3. Just because they can use a vehicle as a weapon is no reason. If I am walking on the street with a plastic bag of 2 kg frozen ham, am I also a threat as I can use the bag and ham to smack someone's brain in? The fact is that people in cars only pose a threat in smaller than 1 in 10000 of cases.

4. In general Yes!

17 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Your view is not clouded and one sided?

No. Not when someone is gunned-down for no good reason.

5 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

1. An agent should be aware of apparently known person who can pose a threat. It´s in the agents work assignment.

Everyone in a crowd of protestors is a threat, and thousands are "known".

Do you have anything that supports your claim that every ICE agent should be aware every person that is a known threat as part of their work assignment?

5 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

2. I was not using homework as a school thing. I let you figure out the meaning.

Their workdays are supposed to be spent apprehending illegal aliens, not dealing with "protestors" illegally interfering.

5 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

3. Just because they can use a vehicle as a weapon is no reason. If I am walking on the street with a plastic bag of 2 kg frozen ham, am I also a threat as I can use the bag and ham to smack someone's brain in? The fact is that people in cars only pose a threat in smaller than 1 in 10000 of cases.

So with 255 million drivers and 300 millions registered vehicles in the US, 1 in 10,000 is over 25,000

5 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

1. In general Yes!

But you do not support ICE doing it?

On 1/9/2026 at 3:18 PM, Jingthing said:

She was MURDERED.

No she wasn't!

On 1/10/2026 at 11:49 AM, mikeymike100 said:

No its not just my opinion. its not up for discussion!

Until a person has been convicted in a court of law for 'murder' of the woman, its not murder.

Nobody has even been charged.

She was shot and 'killed' big difference!

Correct, but it appears some members on this board do not understand the basic rules of law!

2 hours ago, suspectdevice said:

Another stupid and another lie and of course it comes from the loony left. 🤣🤣

Those who continually quote "The Left", seem to be the "Loony" ones..........🤪

Try something more original, not copy the lefty quote loony's, it will improve your credibility.............😉