January 10Jan 10 52 minutes ago, Yagoda said:Deflection. You cant compare folks involved in an existential war with some European failure living in a hovel in Isaan blaming his misery on some jewish conspiracy.An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.Gilad Atzmon Great book BTW The Wandering Who by the Amazing jazz artist and x IDF solider Gilad Atzmon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_Atzmon
January 10Jan 10 8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:Voluntary emigration from Gaza should be encouraged ."Encouraged" looks a lot like forced to me.He mentions "encourage voluntary emigration." Funny that.There's a warrant out for his arrest as well. Tell me, is The Hague a bunch of antisemites as well, or do you think they have credible evidence?
January 10Jan 10 1 hour ago, beautifulthailand99 said:An antisemite used to be someone who hates Jews; nowadays an antisemite is someone Jews hate.Gilad AtzmonGreat book BTW The Wandering Who by the Amazing jazz artist and x IDF solider Gilad Atzmon.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_AtzmonEvery nation and ethnicity has its Kapos. A soon as I see the words stolen land I see the word idiot.
January 10Jan 10 54 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:Tell me, is The Hague a bunch of antisemites as well, or do you think they have credible evidence?Well the dutch helped murder their Jews didnt they. Didnt one get hung with the rest of the scum at Nuremburg
January 10Jan 10 4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:Well they helped murder their Jews didnt they.It was a serious question.
January 10Jan 10 Author 2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:Great book BTW The Wandering Who by the Amazing jazz artist and x IDF solider Gilad Atzmon.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilad_AtzmonThank you. I just downloaded the book. "if you won't defend your own." The problem is exactly that: "your own" as if other people are not worth your consideration. It starts there, grows to nationalism, grows to colonialism. The world is much smaller now. We need to include everybody, not turn them into 'enemies'.
January 10Jan 10 Author AN MODS--EDIT FUNCTION STILL NOT WORKING!!!I forgot to mention the books of Ilan Pappe. The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine (Oneworld); The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories (Oneworld)); The Forgotten Palestinians: A History of the Palestinians in Israel (Yale); Ten Myths About Israel (Verso); The Idea of Israel: A History of Power and Knowledge (Verso). Many more but these have been my favourites.
January 10Jan 10 Popular Post I think it's only Muslims that actually hate Jews in large numbers, although just saying that alone is enough to make the title assumption correct. I touched on this on another thread that in Western Europe most people don't really like them or hate them, the Neo Nazi types are not that big in numbers in reality to sway the overall dynamic. Obviously the higher end Jews are disproportionality in on the social engineering in the media, banking, and sinister politics, but the lesser Joe Shlomo down the road hasn't done a great job of being a group people would want to defend. I don't remember many, if any, denouncing the illegality of Shoah denial in Germany, Austria or France. I'm guessing in other Western countries people are probably of a similar position.In much of the rest of the non-Islamic world people in my experience are generally neutral about them, may not have an opinion or even know what/who they are because the overwhelming majority of Jews who live outside Israel are in Western countries.
January 10Jan 10 Author 1 minute ago, kevozman1 said:I think it's only Muslims that actually hate Jews in large numbers, although just In much of the rest of the non-Islamic world people in my experience are generally neutral about them, may not have an opinion or even know what/who they are because the overwhelming majority of Jews who live outside Israel are in Western countries.And those Muslims, in all likelihood, have never met a Jew, let along broken bread with him. 7.7M Jews live in Israel, 8.5M in the rest of the world.Apparently, US 'Christians' are the biggest supporters of Zionism. If there is no State of Israel when Armageddon comes, they won't be raptured. Of course, present-day political Israel is not geographically where the historical Israel really was. Perhaps someone here is more knowledgeable about this than I.And will some of the posters above be civil and not behave like nasty schoolgirls!
January 10Jan 10 Attending Catholic school in Chester Pa, Yasser Arafat was highly venerated. Never knew why until later in life. I remember going back home about 25 years ago and I rented a Lincoln town car, my sister pulled me aside and said only Jews drive those. To me all religion is for suckers.
January 10Jan 10 Popular Post In my neighborhood growing up, phrases like "a Jew won't rob you with a gun, but will rob you just the same", "stop trying to Jew me down", "you cheap Jew", etc.,Anti-Semitism was taught early, unfortunately the Jews I met growing up did little to dispel these stereotypes,
January 11Jan 11 8 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:Thank you. I just downloaded the book. "if you won't defend your own." The problem is exactly that: "your own" as if other people are not worth your consideration. It starts there, grows to nationalism, grows to colonialism. The world is much smaller now. We need to include everybody, not turn them into 'enemies'.10 hours ago, Yagoda said:Every nation and ethnicity has its Kapos. A soon as I see the words stolen land I see the word idiot.He fought in the IDF and you ? Charlie Parker saved him. At the time, like my peers, I was pretty convinced that Jews were indeed the chosen people. My generation was raised on the Six Day War magical victory, we were totally sure of ourselves. Since we were secular, we associated every success with our omnipotent qualities. We didn’t believe in divine intervention, we believed in ourselves. We believed that our might is brewed in our resurrected Hebraic soul and flesh. The Palestinians, on their part, were serving us obediently and it didn’t seem at the time as if this was ever going to change. They didn’t show any real signs of collective resistance. The sporadic so-called ‘terror’ attacks made us feel righteous, it filled us with some eagerness to get revenge. But somehow within this extravaganza of omnipotence, to my great surprise, I learned to realize that the people who exited me the most were actually a bunch of Black Americans. People who have nothing to do with the Zionist miracle. People that had nothing to do with my own chauvinist exclusive tribe.https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gilad-atzmon-on-music-war-and-empathy/
January 11Jan 11 Maybe the root cause, over the centuries, is their belief that they are the chosen ones, and other people simply became sick and tired of that attitude.
January 11Jan 11 Popular Post 13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:Your English is letting you downAt least there is nothing wrong with my sense of fairness, empathy, emphasis or in general what is right or wrong in the world ! Neither do I defend genocide based on my ethnicity, politics or religion.So if my lack of English capacity is my problem, then be it, I can live with that until I die with good conscience.
January 11Jan 11 10 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:And will some of the posters above be civil and not behave like nasty schoolgirls!when young,me found nasty schulegirlsver fun.
January 11Jan 11 19 minutes ago, Hummin said:At least there is nothing wrong with my sense of fairness, empathy, emphasis or in general what is right or wrong in the world ! Neither do I defend genocide based on my ethnicity, politics or religion.So if my lack of English capacity is my problem, then be it, I can live with that until I die with good conscience. Everyone in the World thinks that they are a really nice person and that everyone else is wrong . You are not alone in that mindset . You are just using the accusations of genocide in order to help Israel be defeated , you aren't fooling anyone . You do not oppose genocide , you oppose Israel
January 11Jan 11 3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:Everyone in the World thinks that they are a really nice person and that everyone else is wrong .You are not alone in that mindset .You are just using the accusations of genocide in order to help Israel be defeated , you aren't fooling anyone .You do not oppose genocide , you oppose IsraelIn you mind in you illusion yes, As said before, what's happening do not emotionally touch me, but I know what's right or wrong.Once more, two doesn't make one right.The heritage of Abraham, is a heavy heritage to carry for everyone. Those family books have caused so much carnage and spilt so much blood in his name, and it is gruesome this continues in to the 2100 century because people base their existence on them.The monotheism represent we vs them, tribal mentality gives nationalism and intolerance which justify what we see in God's name.What do you think about the settlers?
January 11Jan 11 Author 11 hours ago, Yagoda said:Depends on what country they are from.True. Everybody likes a bit of 'strange'!
January 11Jan 11 Author 1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:You are just using the accusations of genocide in order to help Israel be defeated , you aren't fooling anyone .You do not oppose genocide , you oppose IsraelI think you need to examine your concept of being 'defeated'. You're right, I do oppose Israel as a concept theocracy (theocracies are inherently wrong) and the Israelis who elected a monster (just as in other countries, you can fool most of the people most of the time). If 'defeat' is seen as the two-state solution, Israel paying reparations to civilians and the rebuilding of Gaza, and eviction of settlers in the West Bank, yes, I support that kind of 'defeat'.
January 11Jan 11 Author 3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:He fought in the IDF and you ? Charlie Parker saved him.Some people take longer to see the light than others. The quote is very genuine and moving. Thank you.My personal history. I worked in the antinuke, antiwar and antidraft movement nearly full-time for six years while I was in university.A birthright Quaker (now lapsed), I was the last man arrested for the Vietnam draft.I met a dualie who lives here. He had two half-Thai sons (they may have been twins). He took them to shooting ranges in preparation for joining the IDF.This was a couple of years before Israel’s war on Gaza.I have no idea if this man ‘served’ in the IDF. But what kind of father wants his kid to learn to be a killer??? Boggles my mind.
January 11Jan 11 25 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:I think you need to examine your concept of being 'defeated'. You're right, I do oppose Israel as a concept theocracy (theocracies are inherently wrong) and the Israelis who elected a monster (just as in other countries, you can fool most of the people most of the time). If 'defeat' is seen as the two-state solution, Israel paying reparations to civilians and the rebuilding of Gaza, and eviction of settlers in the West Bank, yes, I support that kind of 'defeat'.Cool. Thanks for admitting you are a jew hater. Anyone who supports what you support is an eliminationist anti-semite. Dont deny it, wear your badge with pride.
January 11Jan 11 3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:He fought in the IDF and you ? Charlie Parker saved him.At the time, like my peers, I was pretty convinced that Jews were indeed the chosen people. My generation was raised on the Six Day War magical victory, we were totally sure of ourselves. Since we were secular, we associated every success with our omnipotent qualities. We didn’t believe in divine intervention, we believed in ourselves. We believed that our might is brewed in our resurrected Hebraic soul and flesh. The Palestinians, on their part, were serving us obediently and it didn’t seem at the time as if this was ever going to change. They didn’t show any real signs of collective resistance. The sporadic so-called ‘terror’ attacks made us feel righteous, it filled us with some eagerness to get revenge. But somehow within this extravaganza of omnipotence, to my great surprise, I learned to realize that the people who exited me the most were actually a bunch of Black Americans. People who have nothing to do with the Zionist miracle. People that had nothing to do with my own chauvinist exclusive tribe.https://www.palestinechronicle.com/gilad-atzmon-on-music-war-and-empathy/The words of a Kapo. Look where its published LOL
January 11Jan 11 Author 15 hours ago, novacova said:Why don’t you answer that question yourself and then report back with your answer of intent.BTW, your op is disingenuous and lacks credibility.No intent, no agenda. Just curious to find the right answer. Perhaps there are many right answers.
January 11Jan 11 Author 4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:The words of a Kapo. Look where its published LOLLook, fine, Yagoda. Don't judge by publishing venue. Read some of Ilan Pappe's books and weigh them for yourself. I've been quoted in some pretty dodges places myself.
January 11Jan 11 Author 12 minutes ago, Yagoda said:Cool. Thanks for admitting you are a jew hater. Anyone who supports what you support is an eliminationist anti-semite. Dont deny it, wear your badge with pride.Absolutely zippo to do with Jews. You give yourself a rather delusional amount of importance. I care only about human beings, no matter what badge they happen to wear. You'd probably tell me there were no good Nazis, either. I'm very proud of those young Israelis who are refusing conscription and the soldiers refusing orders and deserting. Israel is a success story except for its aggression. But Israelis, just like people anywhere, are subject to brainwashing by their leaders. Just as has Bibi, that's also what happened to Palestinians by Hamas.
January 11Jan 11 5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:You'd probably tell me there were no good Nazis, either.There werent. Your statement is all thats needed to show your mindset.
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