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Are ICE the new domestic terrorists?

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13 minutes ago, XRules said:

Interesting views. There is no doubt that the US Republic is not what it once was. But I dont put that all on Trump - that all started under Clinton. I cannot find the picture anymore, but up until Clinton was impeached the GOP and Dems voted bipartisan on 70+% of issues debated. Since then it has dropped dramatically - under both Bushes and Obama and Trump1 and Biden. The two political Parties in USA are basically at war with each other and I agree with you that is affecting the People badly.

However, he did not invade a country. He executed a warrant that was enacted by Biden after a grand jury indicted him and Biden removed Maduro's status as a legitimate Head of Government. Likewise, he has used all military forces legally under his rights as per the Constitution. The issue of killing narco-terrorists in open waters and detaining ships suspected of criminal activity damaging USA' interests, is also OK under his powers as the President. Besides, do you really think that if guilty of those acts that the narcos would obey a warrant? And how would you serve that warrant - the US does not have a boat/ship that is fast and nimble enough to even catch up to the narcos.

Killing people suspected of crimes is legitimate? Or are you claiming that they are proven criminals but only the boats they pilot are suspected?

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  • Still opening new threads about this ? It was not murder. She got what she deserved.

  • You are an atypical woke liberal Dems supporter - sewing division and hate whenever they can. It was not a murder and there is an investigation being conducted. I hope the thread is taken down. Total

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    Citizens have a right to expect professionalism from public servants, including high ethical standards, competence, integrity, and impartiality. ICE fails to make the grade.

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9 minutes ago, JerryM said:

'Wrongful death' is a civil not criminal matter.

Stand corrected - in USA you are correct. In other countries it is a criminal charge - an act that causes a wrongful death - eg. killing someone while driving drunk. But in USA it appears to be only used in Civil cases and there it is either Murder or Manslaughter. In that case, there is probably not going to be a court case trial - if Manslaughter or Murder are the only available criminal charges.

1 minute ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Killing people suspected of crimes is legitimate? Or are you claiming that they are proven criminals but only the boats they pilot are suspected?

I dont debate things I am discussing with someone else, with those that jump in for obvious reasons.

3 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Missed the point.

Not worth belaboring based on thickness.

Proved my point.

6 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So Thailand is now the standard by which to judge the validity of US policy. That's not a strange idea.

Ditto last comment about those that jump into other's comments for obvious reason.

5 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

ICE have murdered a woman on the streets of Minneapolis, and now they’re trying to lie to you about it. By now, you’ve almost certainly seen the footage. Renee Nicole Good, a 37-year-old woman driving a purple SUV, is sitting in the street, idling her car. She was a legal observer, there to keep an eye on ICE as they wage yet another series of immigration raids in Minneapolis, and report any misconduct she saw. The masked, heavily-armed troops approach her, reportedly shouting contradictory instructions: one agent tells her to drive away, another to get out of the car. One of them grabs her SUV’s door handle and yanks on it. Confused and scared, she tries to turn and drive off. So one of the agents draws a pistol, and he shoots and kills her.

As soon as they killed Renee Good, they began lying about it. In a statement on Truth Social, President Trump said that Good was “obviously, a professional agitator” who had “violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense.” He then claimed the ICE agent was “recovering in the hospital” and lucky to be alive. But none of that is true. She hadn’t run over anyone. The murderer, who has since been identified by the Minneapolis Star Tribune as Jonathan Ross, was fine; the footage shows him “walking away apparently uninjured.” Confronted (for once) with video evidence he was lying, Trump mumbled and changed the subject.

It’s clear from the video that

(1) She’s not trying to run over the officer, she’s trying to get away from them (she turns right, away from the officer).

2) The officer did not become any safer by killing her, since nothing would have been different if he’d just moved out of the way of the car without shooting her, except that she would be alive.

(3) He kept firing even when he was next to the car, out of its path.

The Department of Homeland Security briefings that they have put out about Good’s killing have been brazenly, insultingly false. On its social media feeds, the DHS has claimed Good was a “violent rioter” who had “weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them—an act of domestic terrorism.” This, they say, led the ICE agent to shoot in self-defense, “fearing for his life.” But again, this is not true. Simply watching the footage is enough to disprove it. These men were wearing body armor and carrying guns. They were approaching an unarmed woman in a Honda, which was barely moving—certainly not fast enough to be much of a “weapon.” She was not “rioting.” If they “feared for their lives” under those circumstances, they had only their own cowardice to blame.

This was bound to happen sooner or later. ICE agents are swarming our cities, given heavy weaponry, anonymity, and impunity. They are the largest law enforcement agency in the country, thanks to the monster budget Congress has given them. Virtually anybody can become an ICE agent with minimal training or background checks, including teenagers as young as 18, and there have been multiple cases of ICE officials with ties to neo-Nazi and other white supremacist groups that were only discovered after years on the job. Good isn’t the first person they’ve shot; there have already been nine others since last September. Earlier in Minneapolis, ICE agents stormed into a school, “began tackling people, handcuffed two staff members and released chemical weapons on bystanders.” In Louisiana, a detention officer recently pleaded guilty to sexually abusing prisoners at an ICE facility. And those are the crimes we know about.

As we know many law enforcement officers in America do their work with honor and decency, but unfortunately there are many law enforcement officers in America who are overzealous and who overreact to situations, and in the process cause death or mayhem. There's no question that ICE needs to be brought under control, and the way that they're currently functioning is utterly disgraceful. They are truly reigning terror upon the American people. Shame on them and shame on Trump and Noem.

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Al Green a US congressman says that he truly believes that Trump and the US govt are prohibiting the local Minnesota authorities from participating in the investigation of the shooting so that knowing the ICE officer will probably be found guilty of murder but then since it is a federal offense, Trump can pardon the ICE officer and the state is helpless about making him pay for murder! Based on a speech by the congressman on YouTube today.

2 minutes ago, XRules said:

I dont debate things I am discussing with someone else, with those that jump in for obvious reasons.

You seem to be under the impression that there is such a thing as a private conversation here. I've got news for you. This is an open forum. Of course, you can choose not to reply to someone who calls you on the basis of your facts or reasoning. But how that differs from evasion is not at all clear.

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31 minutes ago, XRules said:

Define heinous. They have all committed a federal crime.

1 hour ago, XRules said:

You know very well that statement she made is out of context - assuming you have watched all the videos. Her partner was on the other side and outside the car and they were refusing to move their vehicle and had been deliberately blocking them all day. The Officer who fired was in front of the vehicle at the time, and there were several other Officers involved in trying to get her to move the car. When her partner got back into the car she told the woman to 'drive drive drive'. Meanwhile the Officer in front had said 'Right - Get out of the vehicle'. I am not sure whether he pulled his gun when saying that (probably did). She then accelerated her car in his direction (as directed by her partner). Although we can see in the videos from other positions that she also started to turn the wheel - from his position directly in front of her, the wheels turning would not have been visible - all he would have seen is the car moving forward towards him. Tragic and so unnecessary - and caused by the Dems calling for the continued harassment and threats made against the ICE Officers. Also caused because ICE and local police had not been aggressive enough in arresting people who were blocking and threatening ICE Officers. Now made worse by the subsequent headlines and stories from liberal media like CNN.

They could have used one of their SUVs to literally push her off the side of the road and the problem would have been solved.

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You seem to be under the impression that there is such a thing as a private conversation here. I've got news for you. This is an open forum. Of course, you can choose not to reply to someone who calls you on the basis of your facts or reasoning. But how that differs from evasion is not at all clear.

You not doing that - you are merely jumping in and insulting - after losing our previous 'debates'. There is a name for that and I will no longer feed you.

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

They could have used one of their SUVs to literally push her off the side of the road and the problem would have been solved.

Perhaps - but that is illegal and would have resulted in criminal charges from them against the ICE Officers involved. If I recall, using a car in that sort of manner by Officers of the Law requires HQ approval because of the risk to those in the vehicles and others nearby, and other property. Even in a police pursuit in most States they have to get the OK to 'take out' the other car. I am not aware that ICE Officers even have a process in place to seek approval to remove a vehicle by force using another vehicle.

1 hour ago, XRules said:

You know very well that statement she made is out of context - assuming you have watched all the videos. Her partner was on the other side and outside the car and they were refusing to move their vehicle and had been deliberately blocking them all day. The Officer who fired was in front of the vehicle at the time, and there were several other Officers involved in trying to get her to move the car. When her partner got back into the car she told the woman to 'drive drive drive'. Meanwhile the Officer in front had said 'Right - Get out of the vehicle'. I am not sure whether he pulled his gun when saying that (probably did). She then accelerated her car in his direction (as directed by her partner). Although we can see in the videos from other positions that she also started to turn the wheel - from his position directly in front of her, the wheels turning would not have been visible - all he would have seen is the car moving forward towards him. Tragic and so unnecessary - and caused by the Dems calling for the continued harassment and threats made against the ICE Officers. Also caused because ICE and local police had not been aggressive enough in arresting people who were blocking and threatening ICE Officers. Now made worse by the subsequent headlines and stories from liberal media like CNN.

Stop with the mind reading. Maybe to your way of thinking a woman calmly and rather cheerfully saying "That's fine dude. I'm not mad at you." is somehow threatening. But it's ludicrous.

And you fail to acknowledge that he should not have positioned himself in front of the car. That's a huge no-no in law enforcement.. As is holding a camera in one hand and a gun in the other. Elsewhere you've noted that his experience with being dragged by a car may have contributed to this. That's the kind of thing a defense lawyer would use to defend a client from criminal charges. But as a comment on his behavior as on agent of ICE, it's damning.

9 minutes ago, XRules said:

You not doing that - you are merely jumping in and insulting - after losing our previous 'debates'. There is a name for that and I will no longer feed you.

So, now you've appointed yourself the judge of who won? Maybe it's not so surprising that with a self-interested standard like yours, you believe that Donald Trump is trying to drain the swamp instead of being the President with the most conflicts of interest out of virtually all past Presidents.

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1 hour ago, XRules said:

The camera was his body camera that they all wear. Clearly you know nothing about these things

JD makes sense - the Officer reacted thinking his life was in serious danger. But if she had obeyed lawful directions and has not undertaken illegal acts that would not have happenned.

This is a good chance for you to 'correct' your thinking. JD said -"a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile," Meaning not that he was rammed, but he was fearful of (again) being rammed. You have cognitive bias - you hear and see what supports your bias. I am not saying to change your political bias - but you should be aware it is very easy to see everything from only one perspective.

"The camera was his body camera that they all wear. Clearly you know nothing about these things"

I don't think that is correct.

Several news accounts have stated it was his cell phone.

"I dont debate things I am discussing with someone else, with those that jump in for obvious reasons."

Difficult concept but with some reflection you might grasp.

AN is what is often referred to as a "discussion group", others will "jump in" as they wish.

1 hour ago, XRules said:

This is a pretty fair and honest summary of what happened. Was it a reasonable thing to do - TBD.

Body footage released is the headline - same thing for many other vids I have seen. That the medal used incorrect headlines - I will accept that is a common thing they do. If he was holding a phone that is a cause for concern for sure. Either way the matter will be decided in Court.

Bodycam footage released showing last moments of woman killed by ICE officer in Minneapolis

1 hour ago, XRules said:

If he was holding a phone that is a cause for concern for sure.

If he was holding a phone? It was his phone.

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Have you looked lately at polling about how the public views ICE? I'll give you a hint. It's way down. And the Trump adminstration trying to label this woman as a domestic terrorist clearly isn't helping their cause. Although I have to say those last 8 words she said are pretty terrifying "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you." 

https://archive.ph/GUxOV

ICE is much more popular than the democrat party whose polling is almost in -ve territory.

A day after an ICE agent fatally shot Renee Good in Minneapolis, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem quietly ordered new restrictions on congressional visits to immigration detention facilities.

That order, put into effect Thursday by the Trump administration and revealed in court late Saturday, forces lawmakers to seek a week’s advance notice before conducting oversight visits to ICE facilities. That new policy appears to explain a conflict that unfolded Saturday, when three House Democrats from Minnesota were denied entry to a detention facility in the Whipple federal building in Minneapolis.

A federal judge rejected a nearly identical policy last month, noting that federal spending laws require unrestricted congressional visits to ICE detention facilities without advanced notice, a key part of congressional oversight responsibilities.

In her new order, Noem said she disagreed with the decision of U.S. District Judge Jia Cobb.

The head office of these domestic terrorists is located in the White House.

6 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

The head office of these domestic terrorists is located in the White House.

Anyone blocking a public road is a terrorist.

Protests should be held in parks not roads.

16 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

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https://news.gallup.com/poll/696635/neither-party-dominates-favorability-trust.aspx?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Not exactly a huge difference.

Clearly showing more people support the party of law and order rather than the loony left.

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Clearly showing more people support the party of law and order rather than the loony left.

Reading a line chart seems really hard to understand for you...

3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Clearly showing more people support the party of law and order rather than the loony left.

Clearly showing that you are unacquainted with the concept of margin of error.

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3 hours ago, XRules said:

Perhaps - but that is illegal and would have resulted in criminal charges from them against the ICE Officers involved. If I recall, using a car in that sort of manner by Officers of the Law requires HQ approval because of the risk to those in the vehicles and others nearby, and other property. Even in a police pursuit in most States they have to get the OK to 'take out' the other car. I am not aware that ICE Officers even have a process in place to seek approval to remove a vehicle by force using another vehicle.

All right so let me try to understand this, it's illegal to push a car out of the way in order to avoid perpetrating violence, but it's not illegal to murder an unarmed civilian.

Can you explain that one to me?

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3 hours ago, Schoggibueb said:

A day after an ICE agent fatally shot Renee Good in Minneapolis, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem quietly ordered new restrictions on congressional visits to immigration detention facilities.

That order, put into effect Thursday by the Trump administration and revealed in court late Saturday, forces lawmakers to seek a week’s advance notice before conducting oversight visits to ICE facilities. That new policy appears to explain a conflict that unfolded Saturday, when three House Democrats from Minnesota were denied entry to a detention facility in the Whipple federal building in Minneapolis.

A federal judge rejected a nearly identical policy last month, noting that federal spending laws require unrestricted congressional visits to ICE detention facilities without advanced notice, a key part of congressional oversight responsibilities.

In her new order, Noem said she disagreed with the decision of U.S. District Judge Jia Cobb.

The head office of these domestic terrorists is located in the White House.

Give us the largest budget of any of the other related agencies, but don't force us to allow you access, because we don't necessarily think that you're going to like what you're going to see. We are a terrorist agency after all. And I'm not talking about stopping terrorism, I'm talking about inflicting terrorism on Americans.

3 hours ago, XRules said:

Stand corrected - in USA you are correct. In other countries it is a criminal charge - an act that causes a wrongful death - eg. killing someone while driving drunk. But in USA it appears to be only used in Civil cases and there it is either Murder or Manslaughter. In that case, there is probably not going to be a court case trial - if Manslaughter or Murder are the only available criminal charges.

False. From Gemini AI:

Nearly every state in the U.S. has a specific criminal statute dedicated to deaths caused by motor vehicles. While the terminology varies, 47 out of 50 states have a law specifically titled "Vehicular Homicide," "Vehicular Manslaughter," or a direct equivalent.

The states that do not have a standalone "vehicular" statute—Alaska, Arizona, and Montana—instead prosecute these deaths under their general homicide laws, such as Manslaughter or Criminally Negligent Homicide.

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

By now, you’ve almost certainly seen the footage. Renee Nicole Good, a 37-year-old woman driving a purple SUV, is sitting in the street, idling her car. She was a legal observer, there to keep an eye on ICE as they wage yet another series of immigration raids in Minneapolis, and report any misconduct she saw.

Yeh well I saw this footage also:

https://youtu.be/BM2OBGAWHVo?si=jS5jMe4_TQ6q_UEx

She's nicely sitting in the street idling her car while blocking traffic and honking her horn continually! A legal observer was she? What was she doing that was legal? You are obviously mistaken about those two sentences. Never bothered reading the rest.

5 hours ago, XRules said:

The camera was his body camera that they all wear. Clearly you know nothing about these things

JD makes sense - the Officer reacted thinking his life was in serious danger. But if she had obeyed lawful directions and has not undertaken illegal acts that would not have happenned.

This is a good chance for you to 'correct' your thinking. JD said -"a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile," Meaning not that he was rammed, but he was fearful of (again) being rammed. You have cognitive bias - you hear and see what supports your bias. I am not saying to change your political bias - but you should be aware it is very easy to see everything from only one perspective.

Well i think you must be a special kind of stupid if you were hit by a car before(against their own protocol)

and then do it again!

7 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Yeh well I saw this footage also:

https://youtu.be/BM2OBGAWHVo?si=jS5jMe4_TQ6q_UEx

She's nicely sitting in the street idling her car while blocking traffic and honking her horn continually! A legal observer was she? What was she doing that was legal? You are obviously mistaken about those two sentences. Never bothered reading the rest.

Maybe what she did was illegal,does that deserve instant death?

9 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

ICE have murdered a woman on the streets of Minneapolis, and now they’re trying to lie to you about it. By now, you’ve almost certainly seen the footage. Renee Nicole Good, a 37-year-old woman driving a purple SUV, is sitting in the street, idling her car. She was a legal observer, there to keep an eye on ICE as they wage yet another series of immigration raids in Minneapolis, and report any misconduct she saw. The masked, heavily-armed troops approach her, reportedly shouting contradictory instructions: one agent tells her to drive away, another to get out of the car. One of them grabs her SUV’s door handle and yanks on it. Confused and scared, she tries to turn and drive off. So one of the agents draws a pistol, and he shoots and kills her.

As soon as they killed Renee Good, they began lying about it. In a statement on Truth Social, President Trump said that Good was “obviously, a professional agitator” who had “violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE officer, who seems to have shot her in self defense.” He then claimed the ICE agent was “recovering in the hospital” and lucky to be alive. But none of that is true. She hadn’t run over anyone. The murderer, who has since been identified by the Minneapolis Star Tribune as Jonathan Ross, was fine; the footage shows him “walking away apparently uninjured.” Confronted (for once) with video evidence he was lying, Trump mumbled and changed the subject.

It’s clear from the video that

(1) She’s not trying to run over the officer, she’s trying to get away from them (she turns right, away from the officer).

2) The officer did not become any safer by killing her, since nothing would have been different if he’d just moved out of the way of the car without shooting her, except that she would be alive.

(3) He kept firing even when he was next to the car, out of its path.

The Department of Homeland Security briefings that they have put out about Good’s killing have been brazenly, insultingly false. On its social media feeds, the DHS has claimed Good was a “violent rioter” who had “weaponized her vehicle, attempting to run over our law enforcement officers in an attempt to kill them—an act of domestic terrorism.” This, they say, led the ICE agent to shoot in self-defense, “fearing for his life.” But again, this is not true. Simply watching the footage is enough to disprove it. These men were wearing body armor and carrying guns. They were approaching an unarmed woman in a Honda, which was barely moving—certainly not fast enough to be much of a “weapon.” She was not “rioting.” If they “feared for their lives” under those circumstances, they had only their own cowardice to blame.

This was bound to happen sooner or later. ICE agents are swarming our cities, given heavy weaponry, anonymity, and impunity. They are the largest law enforcement agency in the country, thanks to the monster budget Congress has given them. Virtually anybody can become an ICE agent with minimal training or background checks, including teenagers as young as 18, and there have been multiple cases of ICE officials with ties to neo-Nazi and other white supremacist groups that were only discovered after years on the job. Good isn’t the first person they’ve shot; there have already been nine others since last September. Earlier in Minneapolis, ICE agents stormed into a school, “began tackling people, handcuffed two staff members and released chemical weapons on bystanders.” In Louisiana, a detention officer recently pleaded guilty to sexually abusing prisoners at an ICE facility. And those are the crimes we know about.

As we know many law enforcement officers in America do their work with honor and decency, but unfortunately there are many law enforcement officers in America who are overzealous and who overreact to situations, and in the process cause death or mayhem. There's no question that ICE needs to be brought under control, and the way that they're currently functioning is utterly disgraceful. They are truly reigning terror upon the American people. Shame on them and shame on Trump and Noem.

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The narrative you've presented is riddled with distortions, omissions, and outright falsehoods designed to inflame emotions rather than seek truth, as usual.

Let's look at it point by point with actual evidence from videos, official statements, and investigations as of January 11, 2026—none of which support the baseless accusation that ICE "murdered" Renee Nicole Good or is systematically "reigning terror" on Americans. This was a tragic but justified use of force in self-defense during a lawful immigration enforcement operation, not an execution.

First, Good was not an innocent "legal observer" just idling her car or dropping off a child, as your account misleadingly implies. Multiple videos show her deliberately positioning her purple Honda Pilot diagonally across the street to block ICE agents for over three minutes during an active raid in south Minneapolis on January 7. She was affiliated with the local anti-ICE activist group "ICE Watch," known for training members to resist federal operations, and her actions align with intentional obstruction—honking repeatedly, moving animatedly in her seat (described as "dancing" in reports), and refusing to move despite agents' commands. Her 6-year-old son attends a "social justice" school that teaches about George Floyd and explicitly warns staff to report ICE sightings, further contextualizing her activism. This wasn't confusion or fear; it was calculated interference in a federal law enforcement action.

The claim of clearly "contradictory instructions" is supported by some eyewitness accounts (e.g., Caitlin Callenson reported one agent saying to drive away due to a stuck vehicle, while another yelled to get out and reached for the door), but the primary agent's cellphone video predominantly captures repeated, unified commands to "get out of the f---ing car" as agents approached to address the blockage. No video definitively shows aggressive door-yanking as the trigger; agents were attempting to remove her from obstructing the scene.

When Good reversed slightly and then accelerated forward slowly, turning right (away from the main agent), her SUV's front corner made contact with Agent Jonathan Ross, causing him to lurch back with a visible "whoa" reaction. Frame-by-frame analyses from various angles confirm this glancing impact or brush, creating an imminent threat perception—especially for a 4,000-pound vehicle in motion during a high-tension op. Ross fired three rapid shots (through windshield then side window) as the vehicle surged past him, consistent with use-of-force policies for vehicular threats.

The vehicle was not "barely moving" harmlessly; even slow acceleration can be deadly, and videos show the chaotic scene where her path put Ross at risk of being run over or dragged (noting his prior 2025 incident where he was dragged 50+ yards by a vehicle, requiring hospitalization and stitches). He was not "safely out of the path" when firing continued; the trajectory endangered him.

President Trump's statements (calling her a "professional agitator" who "ran over" the officer) and DHS briefings (labeling it "domestic terrorism" via "weaponized vehicle") align with the federal view of deliberate interference and perceived life-threatening action.

Ross was evaluated at a hospital afterward (standard protocol), though no severe injuries were reported—consistent with a minor impact.

These are not "brazen lies" but interpretations supported by the agent's POV video and context.Broader claims about ICE are overstated.

The agency executes lawful warrants with trained agents (academy training exceeds "minimal," with rigorous checks). Isolated past issues (e.g., neo-Nazi ties in rare cases) led to firings/reforms, not systemic problems. The "nine others shot since September" typically involved armed suspects or similar threats, under review. The Minneapolis school "storming" and Louisiana abuse were isolated incidents (targeted arrest; prosecuted crime), not evidence of widespread "reigning terror."

The FBI is investigating independently (after jurisdictional norms led to Minnesota BCA withdrawal). Videos do not "disprove" the self-defense claim; they show a high-risk encounter where Good's obstruction and acceleration created danger.

Framing this as premeditated murder ignores her role in escalating the situation. Tragedies like this fuel debate over enforcement tactics, but the evidence points to a justified response under federal guidelines, not impunity or cowardice. Facts matter over narrative spin.whistling

27 minutes ago, jvs said:

Maybe what she did was illegal,does that deserve instant death?

Perhaps she should have gotten out of the car instead of accelerating toward a law enforcement officer. That would have saved her from being shot at. Kinda common sense isn't it!

59 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Give us the largest budget of any of the other related agencies, but don't force us to allow you access, because we don't necessarily think that you're going to like what you're going to see. We are a terrorist agency after all. And I'm not talking about stopping terrorism, I'm talking about inflicting terrorism on Americans.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EwZWCk1ytPU

Murphy To Secretary Of Homeland Security Kristi Noem: Your Department Is Out Of Control

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