January 23Jan 23 23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:Its one quarter of the US yearly Military spend...Which doesn't make those 250 billion any less huge or questionable…
January 23Jan 23 7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:And before anyone appeals to authority - I personally know people working at the UN who are astonishingly dim, so that’s hardly a reliable proxy for intelligence.Ditto, for professional reasons I was given access to confidential UN documents a few years back and was astonished at the sheer stupidity of some claims made in them. But as it is regularly said by the 'anti-conspiracist' folk here that formal 'expertise' is relevant, I thought I would mention it for good measure.10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:In my view, the video you presented, Rattle, did make a genuine attempt to show balance and present both sides without overt bias. However, the so-called counter-arguments offered by the conspiracy camp weren’t evidence-based rebuttals at all - they were little more than opinion, guesswork, and a poor grasp of basic science being dressed up as scepticism.I thought they had a slight 'pro-official version' bias but still did a good job of letting both sides speak.13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:Each so-called “body of evidence” is isolated and dealt with in the following video. Every individual claim is addressed directly at the corresponding timestamps below.Will watch it over the weekend.
January 23Jan 23 9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:Which doesn't make those 250 billion any less huge or questionable…There's certainly a huge moral question to be asked about any 'significant' spend - when people world wide are starving and in poverty.- The 'world' Military spend in 2024 was $2.718 trillion.- The annual economic cost of gun violence in the US is estimated at approximately $557 billion.
January 23Jan 23 6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:There's certainly a huge moral question to be asked about any 'significant' spend - when people world wide are starving and in poverty.- The 'world' Military spend in 2024 was $2.718 trillion.- The annual economic cost of gun violence in the US is estimated at approximately $557 billion. Yep…
January 23Jan 23 So what happens when Elon Musk announces that they landed on Mars?Will we spend the next 50 years debating if that's fake too? We're doomed if we can't tell what's fake and what's real.
January 23Jan 23 Just now, save the frogs said:So what happens when Elon Musk announces that they landed on Mars?Will we spend the next 50 years debating if that's fake too?We're doomed if we can't tell what's fake and what's real.Good question and one I have asked myself too. I can't take Musk and Trump's 'Mars conquest' claims seriously, but they did make them (in a strange reiteration of JFK's claims regarding the Moon), and therefore this is an issue to follow.
January 23Jan 23 4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:Its one quarter of the US yearly Military spend...And provided many other benefits!24 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:for professional reasons I was given access to confidential UN documents a few years backJust like many statements here on AN and in Thai Bars that statement cannot be verified!
January 23Jan 23 Popular Post Just now, scottiejohn said:Just like many statements here on AN and in Thai Bars that statement cannot be verified!Correct, at least not by you. I'm happy to provide more info privately to my trusted contacts.
January 23Jan 23 23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:- The 'world' Military spend in 2024 was $2.718 trillion.There's no choice or other countries may obliterate you.
January 23Jan 23 4 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: 1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said: Its one quarter of the US yearly Military spend...And provided many other benefits!Agreed - and depending on ones perspective - perhaps justified to ensure global instability (or at least that its not worse than it is).4 minutes ago, scottiejohn said: 30 minutes ago, rattlesnake said: for professional reasons I was given access to confidential UN documents a few years backJust like many statements here on AN and in Thai Bars that statement cannot be verified!I think a poster’s history has to be taken into account. While opinions on various subjects - including conspiracies - may differ, there is nothing to suggest that Rattlesnake has ever exaggerated his claims or been dishonest.Had similar assertions been made by others, such as Harrisfan or georgegeorgia, a healthy degree of scepticism would be entirely justified. In this case, it is not.Many people who frequent this forum may well have had access to confidential information or documents. I know several such people in real life. They are often unable to verify their sources or disclose details, yet their word can still be trusted. This is not remotely comparable to a bar-room fantasist claiming he was special forces.
January 23Jan 23 4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:27 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: - The 'world' Military spend in 2024 was $2.718 trillion.There's no choice or other countries may obliterate you.Arguable - but ultimately, I agree with you.Simply highlighting the cost of the Apollo program was a lot less than military spend to place 'figures into perspective'...
January 23Jan 23 1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:and therefore this is an issue to follow.also, fake footage can now be created with AI and therefore become too sophisticated for the naked eye to detect anomalies.but maybe there will also be AI software that can verify if footage is real ... who knows how that will work ... but I doubt with AI technology available now they will put out sloppy footage if they want to fake something.
January 23Jan 23 Popular Post On 1/18/2026 at 6:12 PM, Red Phoenix said:Bart Sibrel has spent over thirty years working to expose the Apollo moon landings as a hoax.And he still hasn't managed to prove it was a hoax.
January 23Jan 23 On 1/18/2026 at 6:40 PM, richard_smith237 said:then obviously it was filmed in a shed by Stanley Kubrick.Stanley "Two Sheds" Kubrick ;-)
January 23Jan 23 3 minutes ago, BeastOfBodmin said:And he still hasn't managed to prove it was a hoax.I reckon it easier to show they didn't go, rather than they did.https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/the-impossibility-of-the-apollo-missions
January 23Jan 23 5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said: 13 minutes ago, BeastOfBodmin said: And he still hasn't managed to prove it was a hoax.I reckon it easier to show they didn't go, rather than they did.https://www.ukcolumn.org/video/the-impossibility-of-the-apollo-missionsNope - its harder to prove it was a hoax - because there is no evidence of that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
January 23Jan 23 1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:Nope - its harder to prove it was a hoax - because there is no evidence of that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landingsProving they didn't go is proving a negative 😜. Meanwhile the evidence they did go (several times) is overwhelming.
January 23Jan 23 13 minutes ago, BeastOfBodmin said:Stanley "Two Sheds" Kubrick ;-)Indeed… more than two of Stan's sheds.It would take an absurd number of people to be “in on the hoax”. So many, in fact, that faking it would have been harder than actually going to the Moon.Rough numbers say it all. If the Moon landings were fake, you’d need silence and coordination from around 400,000 people who worked on the Apollo programme - engineers, scientists, technicians, contractors. Then add thousands more independent contractors spread across universities and private companies, all building parts that had to work together.You’d also have to include tracking stations in multiple countries - the US, UK, Australia, Spain, etc. - plus non-US observers, including Soviet scientists. The USSR tracked Apollo very closely and had every incentive to call out a hoax… yet didn’t. On top of that, you’ve got geologists all over the world analysing Moon rocks with properties Earth rocks simply don’t have, amateur radio operators who independently picked up Apollo transmissions, and astronaut families, journalists and politicians over decades.And all of these people would have had to keep the same story, leave zero documentary leaks, do it consistently for 60+ years, and somehow avoid a single credible whistle-blower producing hard evidence.For perspective, the Manhattan Project involved about 130,000 people and still leaked within years. Real conspiracies - Watergate, MKUltra, illegal NSA spying - always unravel. A fake Apollo programme would be the biggest, longest-running, most disciplined secret in human history.There’s even a well-known, slightly tongue-in-cheek calculation by physicists showing that with normal human behaviour, a conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of people would statistically collapse in months, not decades.That’s the killer logic - If Apollo was faked, it would have required more people, more technology, more coordination and more risk… than actually going to the Moon.
January 23Jan 23 On 1/19/2026 at 2:56 PM, Hummin said:Last word about flat earth is not said yet. And if we didn’t walk on the moon, will they be convinced if we do it again?Is the Moon flat too? 🤦♂️
January 23Jan 23 9 minutes ago, BeastOfBodmin said:Is the Moon flat too? 🤦♂️Yup - its flat disk - has the light side and the dark side... the Chinese have a Military base on the dark side....
January 23Jan 23 On 1/20/2026 at 7:29 AM, farang51 said:I think the description of this forum about an "open mind" is flawed, it should say "no-mind"."Open" as in empty.
January 23Jan 23 On 1/21/2026 at 5:04 PM, rattlesnake said:The UK government was neck-deep involved in the programmed destruction of Iraq and anyone genuinely believing those were "mistakes" is an ignoramus.This was the last time France did the right thing, when Minister of Foreign Affairs Dominique de Villepin told them all to p*ss off at the UN. He and Jacques Chirac still had sovereign principles, a remnant of the De Gaulle years.Tony Blair is a criminal and nothing else.Watch the used car salesman at work, and Trump wants to put him in charge of the board that will rebuild Gaza. I wonder why. 😂 😂
January 23Jan 23 44 minutes ago, BeastOfBodmin said:Is the Moon flat too? 🤦♂️The moon 🌝 can be anything you want 😉
January 23Jan 23 7 hours ago, blaze master said:Manhattan project was kept secret by hundreds if not thousands of people.It wasn't kept secret!Manhattan Project: Espionage and the Manhattan Project, 1940-19457 minutes ago, Hummin said:The moon 🌝 can be anything you want 😉Cheese!
January 23Jan 23 2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:It wasn't kept secret!Manhattan Project: Espionage and the Manhattan Project, 1940-1945Cheese!It was. I was speaking about keeping it secret in context with the conversation. What you have presented is specific cases of espionage. Clearly the not the public.Show me cases where it was made public.
January 23Jan 23 57 minutes ago, Hummin said:The moon 🌝 can be anything you want 😉What is your take on the theory that it is made of plasma?
January 23Jan 23 3 hours ago, BeastOfBodmin said:And he still hasn't managed to prove it was a hoax.So succinct and very well put.
January 23Jan 23 2 hours ago, scottiejohn said:It wasn't kept secret!More rubbish from you. https://ahf.nuclearmuseum.org/ahf/history/security-and-secrecy/"A key component of keeping the Manhattan Project secret was making sure Project sites were secret and secure. "
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