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The Serious Discussions Likely Taking Place in NATO Capitals

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7 minutes ago, candide said:

What's the point?

What's your point for listing countries with nuclear weapons?????

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    Sure. Americans are desperate to get back to boys being girls, open borders with welfare for all and more banana republic lawfare. Democrats have the approval rating of genital warts.

  • The US is the 800-pound gorilla in Nato. If you had any thoughts that European leaders might stand up to Trump the pic below should disabuse you of them. That sorry lot is terrified of Trump, or, more

  • I encourage the member nations of NATO to kick the USA out of NATO, and close all US bases in Europe.

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Golly gee President of The World Trump - We hope the Eye Of Sauron Trump doesn't turn toward Europe and NATO.

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6 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

What's your point for listing countries with nuclear weapons?????

If other (non US) NATO countries had their own nuclear weapons, they would be less dependent on the US (and better shielded from Russian threats, for example).

19 hours ago, TedG said:

I encourage the member nations of NATO to kick the USA out of NATO, and close all US bases in Europe.

Trump would love that - perfect solution to the USA getting away from the parasites that are the EU and NATO.

4 minutes ago, candide said:

If other (non US) NATO countries had their own nuclear weapons, they would be less dependent on the US (and better shielded from Russian threats, for example).

Wait?

They need nukular wunderwaffles to stop unprovoked Russian sales of petroleum products?

2 minutes ago, XRules said:

Trump would love that - perfect solution to the USA getting away from the parasites that are the EU and NATO.

Trump needs to free the EU and UK from all of the authoritarian EU/UK dictators oppressing their citizens on X and other social media. Regime change of the entire EU must be the only answer then the implementation of the European Union Of The United States of America! thumbsup

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4 minutes ago, connda said:

Trump needs to free the EU and UK from all of the authoritarian EU/UK dictators oppressing their citizens on X and other social media. Regime change of the entire EU must be the only answer then the implementation of the European Union Of The United States of America! thumbsup

Trump needs to stay in his own backyard. Just as we don't want the EU and UK interfering with our internal affairs. Remember, what goes around comes around.

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

First you offer that the USD is unwanted by the world, and then you state, the threat of the largest holders of US debt selling it off is looming large. There's a disconnect with your logic. The largest holders are sovereign funds, like national pension funds. They can't sell off the debt if there is no one to purchase it at a price that does not require losing the asset value, i.e. taking a haircut. Other large economic stakeholders have purchased real estate and invested in manufacturing plant. One would need buyers for the assets, and those buyers would need to generate debt to purchase the assets, except that the sellers would not want to extend loans or want USD which would become worthless. Also you neglect the reality that there are only a relatively small number of regions to invest money with a reasonable assurance it won't be stolen, lost to hyper inflation or subject to political risk. This is about 20 regional economies. Brazil's economy has previously collapsed. India's economy is a mess. Other than the EU, Canada, Australia/New Zealand, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Israel & Gulf Arab nations, where else is there relative safety for pension funds to go? Burundi? Argentina? Algeria? Turkmenistan? Nepal?

Canada's small opening of trade relations with China is relatively inconsequential since the Chinese have not delivered anything yet since their tariffs still apply on Canadian Agricultural products with the exception of canola, which might be reduced in March. The Chinese EV's still have to meet Canadian road standards.

Well said. The Chinese want Canada for one main reason - to repackage their products to on-sell into USA to avoid tariffs. Same reason China got closer to Thailand and many others before. But Trump has closed that scam with imposing tariffs on them - and it is hitting China and its puppets hard. China is hoping Trump will reduce tariffs on Canada - so they can use that channel into USA markets.

Trump is trolling everyone. NATO. EU. China. Dems. Wokes. Everyone. They panic and over-react all the time and he loves it. They should really think more logically and rationally - and think Venezuela. The snatch and grab of Maduro was obviously planned - Trump did not say a thing. Likewise they need to calm down and negotiate - look at Rubio - Trump absolutely canned him during the election debates and now he is his main International Player - that is how it works (it is just business) . They should stop playing their BS diplomatic khrapp games and start negotiating - one line item at a time. Then move on to the next one and forget the last one - because that 'deal' is done.

23 hours ago, Wingate said:

Certainly France and Germany, inter alia, have commando teams with the skills and talents necessary to carry out such an attack

Lol

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6 minutes ago, XRules said:

Well said. The Chinese want Canada for one main reason - to repackage their products to on-sell into USA to avoid tariffs. Same reason China got closer to Thailand and many others before. But Trump has closed that scam with imposing tariffs on them - and it is hitting China and its puppets hard. China is hoping Trump will reduce tariffs on Canada - so they can use that channel into USA markets.

Trump is trolling everyone. NATO. EU. China. Dems. Wokes. Everyone. They panic and over-react all the time and he loves it. They should really think more logically and rationally - and think Venezuela. The snatch and grab of Maduro was obviously planned - Trump did not say a thing. Likewise they need to calm down and negotiate - look at Rubio - Trump absolutely canned him during the election debates and now he is his main International Player - that is how it works (it is just business) . They should stop playing their BS diplomatic khrapp games and start negotiating - one line item at a time. Then move on to the next one and forget the last one - because that 'deal' is done.

Negotiating with Trump is like spinning wheels and going nowhere. His whole life is filled with broken promises and ripping off people. He lies about everything and cannot be trusted. Our soon-to-be former allies with eventually join forces and screw us royally. Canada has already turned to China. Who's next?

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Presidents and Administration put out a US National Security Strategy report periodically. Trump issued one two months ago, in November of 2025.

"Oddly" there was zero mention of the Arctic and zero mention of Greenland.

The clown is so full of zibel that if someone gave him an enema, he could be buried in a matchbox (hat tip Christopher Hitchens).

On 1/19/2026 at 7:40 AM, Wingate said:

It is an absolute certainty that in NATO capitals today, as well as in the halls of power of NATO member nations, there are some hushed-tone discussions taking place about how to address Trump’s threats.

 

As fantastical as it sounds, there is likely serious consideration taking place about literally taking Trump out. Even more fantastical, however, is the fact that Trump has threatened military force against an ally and NATO member. His threats must be taken seriously, and undoubtedly they are.

 

Article 5 of the NATO Charter demands member nations respond to aggression against a fellow member, so it would be a dereliction of duty not to be having these discussions.

 

Trump represents a threat to a NATO member. NATO will not engage in a first strike, but undoubtedly it will respond if Trump actually unleashes military force against Greenland. It must be so. The world would both demand and support it, as would a majority of Americans.

 

It is not unreasonable to assume plans are being drawn up as to how to remove Trump. There may be mock-ups of Mar-a-Lago being constructed, the same way the US constructed mock-ups of Osama bin Laden’s Abbottabad refuge. Plans under consideration would include a direct assault, or some sort of tactical weapon that would vaporize Mar-a-Lago. Also to be considered would be how to get Trump when he’s on one of his golf courses, as that would minimize collateral damage.

 

Certainly France and Germany, inter alia, have commando teams with the skills and talents necessary to carry out such an attack, particularly since they’d only be dealing with civilian Secret Service. Recall that those types even missed a pimply-faced kid who took a shot at Trump during a campaign rally. They would be no match for the French or Germans.

 

Some might think the US would respond to the removal of Trump, but I would guess truly patriotic generals, who are well aware of the benefit the US has gotten from NATO membership since the alliance’s founding, would quash any attempt by their drunkard Secretary to retaliate.

 

The aggression Trump has threatened is illegal both within NATO and by international law. It would have to be addressed, and likely with violence. He would be bringing it on himself, and he would get what he deserved.

 

The fact that these matters are with near absolute certainty being discussed today is an indication of just how far the US has sunk in the world’s eyes under Trump. Even some Republican Congresspeople have stated that should Trump launch military action against Greenland, that would be an impeachable offense. NATO members cannot impeach, so their response would have to be far more serious.

 

If Trump has any sane people in his entire Administration, they would be wise to inform Trump of this possibility, even likelihood.

 

The thinking within NATO would be that rabid dogs must be put down.

What would walker88 have to say about this? Exactly the same as wingate did🤣😂😅

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37 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Lol

Just curious if you've ever done an op with French commando teams.

I'm guessing the answer is "no".

They're as skilled as the Israeli Shaldag, and just as brave and ruthless.

When general Petreaus led the counter insurgency in Iraq, he used the tactics of the French Special Forces, first developed in Algeria in the 1960s.

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Trump's recent comments dismissing Denmark's sovereignty over Greenland—arguing it's invalid because "they had a boat land there 500 years ago"—reflect a simplistic and historically inaccurate view that ignores centuries of established ties, treaties, and international law. This rhetoric, combined with threats of forceful acquisition, comes across as unhinged for a sitting president, echoing colonial-era justifications and risking alliances like NATO.

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I'm just hoping that sanity prevails over all of this, and SURELY this solution would have to have been investigated.......

– The USA is allowed to station troops and ships on and around Greenland.

– For this they pay a large sum of money for say, a 30 year "lease", negotiable after this period.

– The USA will have no call on the oil or mineral wealth of Greenland, which remains in the hands of the government and that of Denmark.

That way the threat of Russia or China invading the USA (which is in itself just about unbelievable) is negated and each party will get what they want – – but here is the rub; if it was just for defence purposes, then the solution above would work, however if the USA wants to get its hands on oil and minerals, then another scenario comes into play and it really puts into perspective the motive behind the USA's moves in "taking over" Greenland.

8 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I'm just hoping that sanity prevails over all of this, and SURELY this solution would have to have been investigated.......

– The USA is allowed to station troops and ships on and around Greenland.

– For this they pay a large sum of money for say, a 30 year "lease", negotiable after this period.

– The USA will have no call on the oil or mineral wealth of Greenland, which remains in the hands of the government and that of Denmark.

That way the threat of Russia or China invading the USA (which is in itself just about unbelievable) is negated and each party will get what they want – – but here is the rub; if it was just for defence purposes, then the solution above would work, however if the USA wants to get its hands on oil and minerals, then another scenario comes into play and it really puts into perspective the motive behind the USA's moves in "taking over" Greenland.

A complementary explanation is that Trump is full of himself and is looking for "glory"!

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2 hours ago, XRules said:

Trump would love that - perfect solution to the USA getting away from the parasites that are the EU and NATO.

If the US was kicked out of NATO and lost air bases such as Ramstein in Germany, a critical hub for Middle East and African operations, it would lose any rapid US responses in these regions.

While the U.S. might save roughly $3.5 billion in direct NATO spending, it would face massive expenditures relocating billions of dollars worth of equipment and moving approx 100,000 returning service members and their families back to the US.. 

Europe would probably cancel huge orders for arms sales from the US, including systems like the F-35, switching to domestic development. This could threaten hundreds of thousands of jobs at Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

In addition, there would be no more cooperation from Scandinavia or the UK in monitoring Russian and Chinese threats in the Arctic.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

If the US was kicked out of NATO and lost air bases such as Ramstein in Germany, a critical hub for Middle East and African operations, it would lose any rapid US responses in these regions.

While the U.S. might save roughly $3.5 billion in direct NATO spending, it would face massive expenditures relocating billions of dollars worth of equipment and moving approx 100,000 returning service members and their families back to the US.. 

Europe would probably cancel huge orders for arms sales from the US, including systems like the F-35, switching to domestic development. This could threaten hundreds of thousands of jobs at Lockheed Martin and Boeing.

In addition, there would be no more cooperation from Scandinavia or the UK in monitoring Russian and Chinese threats in the Arctic.

Good points, but I think the relocation of military forces and equipment will not be such a big issue. As part of withdrawing from NATO, there would likely be an agreement reached for reduced US Military presence like USA has in countries all over the world.

But your point about military purchases is valid - that is a lot of business and Trump never walks away from business. Although Europe only has one source which is USA - as China and Russia are obviously not a great choice - and countries like Sweden are very niche based.

No way a NATO country would even consider assassinating a president. The following US administration would be in a difficult position.

... However, arranging for a Muslim assassin may not be difficult. It just means establishing plausible deniability.

4 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Negotiating with Trump is like spinning wheels and going nowhere. His whole life is filled with broken promises and ripping off people. He lies about everything and cannot be trusted. Our soon-to-be former allies with eventually join forces and screw us royally. Canada has already turned to China. Who's next?

Canada has not really turned to China. It had a massive amount of canola about to rot in overflowing storage bins and couldn't give the oilseed away. The PM and his entourage were using burner phones during their Chinese visit and were not allowed to engage in any sensitive information exchanges with their offices outside of the embassy. That should tell you how much Canada trusts the Chinese. Everything China promised is indefinite and is an undertaking and not guaranteed. Yes, it is a necessary start, but the Chinese are not there to help Canada.

5 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Are these sovereign funds allowed to invest in precious metals?

Gold is not a good investment for pension funds or financial institutions. It does not have the income generating characteristic that equities, bonds and real estate have.

4 hours ago, XRules said:

Trump would love that - perfect solution to the USA getting away from the parasites that are the EU and NATO.

Then run Forrest, run. Run away from your biggest trading partner and the block that can sink your economy faster than a 14 y/o girl would have been "deflowered" on Epstein/Trump Island.

FT: 'Treasuries could be Europe’s best defence for Greenland'

https://archive.ph/80Ri4

"In seeking to fend off the ambitions of US President Donald Trump to take over Greenland, Europe has more leverage than some might suppose. One is the region’s vast holdings of US Treasury bonds. Most investors who discuss Treasury demand and supply risks tend to focus on the possibility that China reduces its Treasury holdings even more than it has done in recent years in the event that relations with the US sour. But Europe owns multiples more in US government bonds than China. As of November, using Treasury department data, the UK, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Ireland, Norway and Germany owned $2.84tn in US Treasuries, more than 30 per cent of the total foreign-held US Treasury market."

4 hours ago, XRules said:

They should stop playing their BS diplomatic khrapp games and start negotiating - one line item at a time. Then move on to the next one and forget the last one - because that 'deal' is done.

Only the 'deal' is never done.

No matter how many times a country submits to Trump's tariff taxes (on American consumers), in regards to trade, in regards to defense spending, in regards to access, in regards to ballroom square footage, our one trick pony (p)resident will pull out the tariff tax club again any time his demands aren't immediately met.

US President Donald Trump threatened to impose 200 percent tariffs on French wines and Champagnes on Monday evening, a measure he said was intended to convince his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron to join his "Board of Peace" aimed at resolving global conflicts.

https://www.france24.com/en/trump-threatens-200-tariff-french-wine-macron-refusal-join-board-of-peace

"I may put a tariff on countries if they don't go along with Greenland, because we need Greenland for national security," Trump said at an unrelated event on rural health care at the White House.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-threatens-tariffs-nations-support-aim-acquire-greenland/story?id=129283902

President Donald Trump threatened Monday to impose a 25 percent tariff on “any country” doing business with Iran, potentially affecting U.S. trade with China, India, the United Arab Emirates, the European Union and others.

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/01/12/trump-threatens-25-percent-tariff-on-any-country-that-trades-with-iran-00723448

2 hours ago, bannork said:

In addition, there would be no more cooperation from Scandinavia or the UK in monitoring Russian and Chinese threats in the Arctic.

I wasn't aware the Russians or Chinese were threatening to take Greenland, the easy way, or the hard way.

48 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

I wasn't aware the Russians or Chinese were threatening to take Greenland, the easy way, or the hard way.

The article refers to the Arctic, not only Greenland.

The Arctic includes parts of Canada, Greenland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Russia, and the U.S. (Alaska).

I doubt any western country would openly assasinate Trump thats not to say he couldn't suddenly develop a brain haemorrhage or a heart attack or even a plane or helicopter he was on developing a fault and falling out of the sky.

If by any chance he was shot or blown up the finger would be made to point at someone else.

For instance from last week - "Tehran, Iran) – Iran escalated tensions with the U.S. after state-run television aired an image of Donald Trump from the 2024 Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt alongside the message", “This time it will not miss the target.”

All this is pure conjecture it's just as likely he will be removed from power if he constitutes a dangerous threat to the US.

p.s. Forget France and Germany I'm surprise nobody's mentioned the worlds No.1 elite special forces the SAS

On 1/19/2026 at 2:40 PM, Wingate said:

The thinking within NATO would be that rabid dogs must be put down.

He's a mover and shaker, not a rabid dog.

The "old order" is being disrupted by Trump.

Well, so ... is everything supposed to stay the same forever and ever?

6 hours ago, XRules said:

Trump would love that - perfect solution to the USA getting away from the parasites that are the EU and NATO.

It's time the Euro's left the nest and fended for themselves.

The Serious Discussions Likely Taking Place in NATO Capitals

I bet the discussion between leaders of European countries today sounds a lot like the discussions between EU countries between 1937 and 1939 as everyone was wondering what the equally mad, megalomaniacal, narcissist named Adolf was contemplating for the rest of the European landmass and beyond much like what today's mad, megalomaniacal, narcissist named Donald is contemplating for the rest of the European landmass and beyond.

You know - "Peace Through Strength = Might Makes Right = The Ends Justify The Means = "Hell, I'm just going to take over the entire world starting with the weakest countries which can't fight back, and there will be a Thousand Year 'Peace Of The Don'. You'll love my yoke and it will be light - or else. Just accept the dominion of my compassionate imperial rulership and accept me as your Emperor and all we'll be well in the world (for my friends and family - but probably not you peasants - but? Shhhhh). US citizens will be treated like citizens of ancient Rome. Everyone else? Not so much. Now where are my Praetorian ICE Guards???"

Bow in fear at the feet of the United States Empire, take the knee, and hail the new Imperator Donaldus Trumpius Caesar Augustus.
🎺🎺🎺 "All Hail Emperor Donaldus!"

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5 hours ago, bannork said:

If the US was kicked out of NATO and lost air bases such as Ramstein in Germany, a critical hub for Middle East and African operations, it would lose any rapid US responses in these regions.

Then Trump would just invade and take what he wants with threats of the swift hand of The Most Powerful Country On Earth, Ever - The Empirical Rein of Emperor Donaldus Trumpius Caesar Augustus. Well, unless there is a Carthage out there - or rampaging German hoards. Vikings too!

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