4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

One such incident occurred a hundred miles away from where I live. One of my friends who was there told me what she saw. I am quite sure this is happening in other communities and witnesses are too frightened to speak up lest they or their loved ones are retaliated against.

Hearsay is inadmissible in court for good reason.

2 minutes ago, JerryM said:

Now time for breakfast. (Actually already had breakfast but that answer avoids the use of an expletive).

Significantly truncating my post to suit your own narrative/agenda is extremely immature.

56 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

And your evidence for this is?

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Hearsay is inadmissible in court for good reason.

I am not presenting evidence for a court case. This is forum. And for those who may be interested in my original comment I found this: futurism.com/future-society/ice-phone-teenager.

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Significantly truncating my post to suit your own narrative/agenda is extremely immature.

My narrative/agenda is the memo in the topic title which I have read.

And I don't have to respond to your and others questions like Simon says do this Simon says do that.

47 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Just cancel the whole Constitution because it’s an inconvenience to Trump’s masked paramilitary goons.

Or just open all the borders, they are obviously problematic for the leftist idiots

On 1/22/2026 at 10:29 PM, Yagoda said:

If you started a topic about the Americans victimised by criminal illegal aliens it would immediately be deflected to something about Trump or Nazis or some activist who put themselves in harm's way by obstructing law enforcement.

If you started that post and trump and his minions are promoting it or actively illegally applying actions then yeah telling facts and truths are warranted.

Same for the other end of the political spectrum. But stop blaming all the

ills of this issue on biden. Its gone on under EVERY President, just the illegal actions to address it and manner they are conducted is the issue.

DHS releases image of illegal immigrant accused of abandoning his 5-year-old son while fleeing ICE

Adrian Alexander Conejo Arias was in US illegally after the Biden administration released him into the country, with no record of CBP One app entry despite attorney claims

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dhs-released-image-illegal-immigrant-accused-abandoning-his-5-year-old-son-while-fleeing-ice

On 1/22/2026 at 10:55 PM, Bday Prang said:

What a ridiculous comment , both species are criminals simply by virtue of their immigration status, that in itself is reason to pursue , detain and deport them.all of them regardless of age , gender, disability, IQ or any other characteristic.

The lower crime rate is neither here nor there, and only what anybody with any intelligence would expect, as most of them will be in hiding, keeping a low profile, and avoiding drawing attention to themselves.if they have any sense, not unlike fugitives from justice on the run, which is exactly what they are,

When Your leader proclaims everyone rounded up are a gang member, rapist, murderer or violent criminal and non american and it turns out not to be factual then uses their a huge fictional narrative instead of following the law and constituition which have been in place for quite some time. The real law and constitution not his made up bs gestpo actions and lies to cover the truth of his illegal acts.

39 minutes ago, Dan O said:

When Your leader proclaims everyone rounded up are a gang member, rapist, murderer or violent criminal and non american and it turns out not to be factual then uses their a huge fictional narrative instead of following the law and constituition which have been in place for quite some time. The real law and constitution not his made up bs gestpo actions and lies to cover the truth of his illegal acts.

I find it quite alarming how many American believe Trump is telling the truth when he tries to justify his Gestapo tactics by declaring he is only following the law. Unfortunately, the courts have not done a proper job in reining him in.

8 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

I find it quite alarming how many American believe Trump is telling the truth when he tries to justify his Gestapo tactics by declaring he is only following the law. Unfortunately, the courts have not done a proper job in reining him in.

Not just the courts but the GOP elected congress' failure to act, both on behalf of the people and oath they are suppose to represent.

After 9/11 ICE started out as an agency that was intended to protect the borders from an influx of terrorists, over time it has involved into the domestic arm of the largest security agency in America with a ridiculously high budget, and Trump has increased that budget dramatically with his recent ridiculous tax bill. ICE has now become the new domestic terrorist agency, and they went from fighting terrorists to being terrorists themselves. The extent to which they are inflicting abuse, terror and fear upon the American people is an abomination, and lies entirely on the tiny shoulders of the ridiculous, wannabe autocrat and circus clown.

And I guess it's okay to send the National Guard out to American cities to stop people from protesting. And to silence his critics with threats of arrest and lawsuits. His supporters are OK with all of this. I don't hear them complaining or dissenting.

A recent poll found 87 percent of surveyed Americans supporting the deportation of migrants without legal status who have committed violent crimes — but 61 percent opposed to deportations of those who had not committed violent crimes.In short, the politics of immigration is more nuanced and more changeable than hard-liners on either side make it appear.

You can't scream all day long about illegal immigrants and all the problems that they're causing without offering a fix to the completely broken immigration system, and the antiquated quota system. Corporations need low-cost labor and he's not providing a solution for that. 

And turning ICE into the new domestic terrorists is not helping his cause either. Neither is having an absolute incompetent as defense secretary, another incompetent as Attorney General and horrific negotiators working on his behalf like Witkoff and Kushner. These men are hopelessly hapless. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5348010-senator-padilla-incident-political-tensions/

 

The POS fascist scum squatting at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave is doctoring images using AI. of people arrested to try to look tough.

How do the moronic losers known as MAGAs spin that?

https://www.ms.now/opinion/trump-white-house-altered-photo-ice-protester-armstrong

7 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's a civil offence which by law can result in deportation. You once again show just how disingenuous you are by truncating the full answer from Grok. Here it is.

No, simply being an "illegal alien" (more precisely, being unlawfully present in the United States without authorization) is not a crime under federal law. It is a civil violation, not a criminal one.

U.S. immigration law distinguishes between:

• Unlawful presence (being in the country without legal status, such as overstaying a visa or remaining after an unauthorized entry in many cases) — This is a civil infraction under the Immigration and Nationality Act. It can lead to deportation (removal) proceedings, bars on future entry (e.g., 3- or 10-year bars), and other civil penalties, but it does not constitute a criminal offense on its own. Sources like the ACLU, American Immigration Council, USCIS, and legal analyses consistently confirm that mere undocumented presence is civil, not criminal.

• Improper/illegal entry — Entering the U.S. without inspection at a port of entry, evading examination, or using false statements/documents is a federal misdemeanor under 8 U.S.C. § 1325 (first offense: up to 6 months imprisonment and/or fine; subsequent offenses can be felonies with up to 2 years). This criminalizes the act of entry, not ongoing presence.

• Illegal reentry — Reentering or being found in the U.S. after a prior deportation/removal is a felony under 8 U.S.C. § 1326 (up to 2 years base, with much higher penalties—up to 20 years—if there are prior serious criminal convictions).

Many people who are unlawfully present entered legally (e.g., on a visa) but overstayed or violated terms, so they never committed the criminal act of improper entry. Even for those who did enter improperly, once inside and not prosecuted for entry, the ongoing unlawful presence itself remains civil.

In short: The term "illegal alien" is often used colloquially, but federal law does not make the status of being undocumented a crime in itself. Enforcement primarily occurs through civil immigration proceedings, not criminal courts (though certain related acts, like entry/reentry or working without authorization in some contexts, can trigger criminal charges). This distinction has been upheld in legal analyses and court interpretations for decades.

Thank you for confirming it's not a crime to be an illegal alien in the US. Maybe you can educate your fellow MAGA enthusiast @Yagoda , since he seems utterly resistant to my attempts at educating him.

Thanks in advance!

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The actual incident is at 0:40 seconds. Blink and you'll miss it. Paid activist resisting arrest. Sure doesn't seem like peaceful protest IMHO.

Blink and I'll miss it? Well, the protester sure didn't "miss it", it went straight in his face.

Paid protestor? We hear that a lot from the increasingly desperate MAGA fanboys. It's probably a mantra they keep repeating to make themselves feel less sad when they see the kind of anger and engagement the actions of the ICE goons create. Pathetic, but understandable.😆

4 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Hearsay is inadmissible in court for good reason.

Well, it's a good thing this isn't a court of law then, don't you agree?

3 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Thank you for confirming it's not a crime to be an illegal alien in the US. Maybe you can educate your fellow MAGA enthusiast @Yagoda , since he utterly seems resistant to my attempts at educating him.

Thanks in advance!

A law has been broken by entering the country illegally or being in the country illegally which can result in DEPORTATION. This is happening across the US with around 750,000 already deported and some 1.5 million self-deporting (far less so far than under Obama). What isn't happening across the US is the BS happening in Minneapolis which you obviously fully support and as such you support protecting criminal illegal aliens. These are the ones who HAVE committed CRIMES and are being protected under blue state laws.

p.s. Do you know that in 2015 Obama awarded Tom Homan the Presidential Rank Award for his work in deporting illegal aliens.

48 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

After 9/11 ICE started out as an agency that was intended to protect the borders from an influx of terrorists, over time it has involved into the domestic arm of the largest security agency in America with a ridiculously high budget, and Trump has increased that budget dramatically with his recent ridiculous tax bill. ICE has now become the new domestic terrorist agency, and they went from fighting terrorists to being terrorists themselves. The extent to which they are inflicting abuse, terror and fear upon the American people is an abomination, and lies entirely on the tiny shoulders of the ridiculous, wannabe autocrat and circus clown.

And I guess it's okay to send the National Guard out to American cities to stop people from protesting. And to silence his critics with threats of arrest and lawsuits. His supporters are OK with all of this. I don't hear them complaining or dissenting.

A recent poll found 87 percent of surveyed Americans supporting the deportation of migrants without legal status who have committed violent crimes — but 61 percent opposed to deportations of those who had not committed violent crimes.In short, the politics of immigration is more nuanced and more changeable than hard-liners on either side make it appear.

You can't scream all day long about illegal immigrants and all the problems that they're causing without offering a fix to the completely broken immigration system, and the antiquated quota system. Corporations need low-cost labor and he's not providing a solution for that. 

And turning ICE into the new domestic terrorists is not helping his cause either. Neither is having an absolute incompetent as defense secretary, another incompetent as Attorney General and horrific negotiators working on his behalf like Witkoff and Kushner. These men are hopelessly hapless. 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/5348010-senator-padilla-incident-political-tensions/

 

Yes, ICE has morphed from fighting terrorist to becoming terrorist themselves. As for deporting law abiding illegals I believe a comprehensive amnesty program would be the most sensible and least disruptive way to solve the problem. One of the conditions might be a time limit for those granted amnesty to apply for and successfully become naturalized U.S. citizens. This is a far from perfect solution, but much, much better than what is happening today.

Just now, dinsdale said:

A law has been broken by entering the country illegally or being in the country illegally which can result in DEPORTATION. This is happening across the US with around 750,000 already deported and some 1.5 million self-deporting (far less so far than under Obama). What isn't happening across the US is the BS happening in Minneapolis which you obviously fully support and as such you support protecting criminal illegal aliens. These are the ones who HAVE committed CRIMES and are being protected under blue state laws.

p.s. Do you know that in 2015 Obama awarded Tom Homan the Presidential Rank Award for his work in deporting illegal aliens.

Oh, so that paper bag full of money was a kind of "tip" ten?😂

10 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Well, it's a good thing this isn't a court of law then, don't you agree?

If you had better comprehension skills you would understand that I was pointing out that hearsay is not evidence be it in a court of law or anywhere else.

Minnesotans turning out in the tens of thousands on a bitterly cold day to tell ICE to frack off.

MI Dem caucus:
https://x.com/mnhouseDFL/status/2014836476568039886?s=20

NBC News:

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Yes, ICE has morphed from fighting terrorist to becoming terrorist themselves. As for deporting law abiding illegals I believe a comprehensive amnesty program would be the most sensible and least disruptive way to solve the problem. One of the conditions might be a time limit for those granted amnesty to apply for and successfully become naturalized U.S. citizens. This is a far from perfect solution, but much, much better than what is happening today.

I seem to remember you being quite conservative a few years ago, are you are one of the more level-headed and reasonable conservatives who have become disenchanted with Trump's policies and extremism? If so I certainly applaud you for your integrity and level headedness.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Oh, so that paper bag full of money was a kind of "tip" ten?😂

Great counter argument and complete diversion. This of course is the direction you take when reality slaps you in the face. Nowhere else to go other than puerile nonsensical comments.

5 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

One such incident occurred a hundred miles away from where I live. One of my friends who was there told me what she saw. I am quite sure this is happening in other communities and witnesses are too frightened to speak up lest they or their loved ones are retaliated against.

Forgive me if I doubt a story of my friends sisters brothers daughters dog witnessed something.

3 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Forgive me if I doubt a story of my friends sisters brothers daughters dog witnessed something.

Seems you missed the part where my friend was actually there and witnessed the entire event and knew the victim and his family. Go somewhere else with your hot air.

Just now, Hawaiian said:

Seems you missed the part where my friend was actually there and witnessed the entire event and knew the victim and his family. Go somewhere else with your hot air.

Seems you missed the part where its hearsey. All you have is a story someone told you.

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Great counter argument and complete diversion. This of course is the direction you take when reality slaps you in the face. Nowhere else to go other than puerile nonsensical comments.

Puerile nonsensical corruption. Well, I guess that's the attitude you have to have when supporting the most corrupt president (by an order of magnitude) in history.
But all your diversions cannot hide the fact that being an illegal alien in the US is not a crime.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Puerile nonsensical corruption. Well, I guess that's the attitude you have to have when supporting the most corrupt president (by an order of magnitude) in history.
But all your diversions cannot hide the fact that being an illegal alien in the US is not a crime.

Being in the US illegally is against the law hence the term illegal.

7 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Seems you missed the part where its hearsey. All you have is a story someone told you.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I am not providing evidence for a court of law. This is a forum and I am posting what a trusted friend witnessed. It's your prerogative to believe it or not.

Judging from your comments it seems you have no trusted friends. Are they all liars like Donald Trump?

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Being in the US illegally is against the law hence the term illegal.

Aaaaaand the backpedalling continues.🤣

NOT a crime.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Being in the US illegally is against the law hence the term illegal.

Ya but its not a federal crime. Yawn.

I will pay for someone on AN to overstay in thailand. Lets see how it goes trying to tell thai immigration.....bro its not a real crime.