February 4Feb 4 Popular Post 43 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:INS "no shows" were occuring long before the term "sanctuary city" was ever uttered.Avoiding my question. Are sanctuary cities appropriate? If ICE doesnt show up for a detainer is a lot different from criminals being hidden and deliberately being released into the community, yes?20 minutes ago, TedG said:Why do you call it racist?That overused word means nothing anymore, why worry why he or anyone else uses it. Its part of the jargon. It allows folks to take the moral high ground in their own heads to justify the abject failures of the policies they support and the bankruptcy of their philosophies.
February 4Feb 4 5 hours ago, Yagoda said:Avoiding my question. Are sanctuary cities appropriate? If ICE doesnt show up for a detainer is a lot different from criminals being hidden and deliberately being released into the community, yes?That overused word means nothing anymore, why worry why he or anyone else uses it. Its part of the jargon. It allows folks to take the moral high ground in their own heads to justify the abject failures of the policies they support and the bankruptcy of their philosophies.I am talking about what INS did back in the past. INS and ICE are two different agencies. INS no longer exists. My experience was in dealing with INS in the past. I have never dealt with ICE because ICE was created in 2003. Do you understand this? Of course sanctuary cities are inappropriate and in my opinion illegal. I do not know if ICE shows up to pick up immigration detainer suspects presently because i retired from LE work a long time ago. Do you understand this??
February 4Feb 4 5 hours ago, Yagoda said:Avoiding my question. Are sanctuary cities appropriate? If ICE doesnt show up for a detainer is a lot different from criminals being hidden and deliberately being released into the community, yes?That overused word means nothing anymore, why worry why he or anyone else uses it. Its part of the jargon. It allows folks to take the moral high ground in their own heads to justify the abject failures of the policies they support and the bankruptcy of their philosophies.Maybe this will give you some context: DHS-Dept of Homeland of Security was created after Sep 11, 2001. The following federal agencise fall under DHS: CBP, BP, ICE, FEMA, Secret Service, TSA and even FEMA. Before Sep 11 2001 CBP, BP and INS-Immigration and Naturalization Services dealt entry, visa's and dealing with legal and illegal immigrants. The missions for both CBP and BP are mostly unchanged and with the creation of ICE in 2003 changed things. As the years have passed ICE pretty much deals with all matters concerning illegals who are nside of the US. INS no longer exists and dealing with visa's and naturalization falls under UCIS. The terms ICE and INS are not interchangeable. I have never had contact with an ICE agent both on or off the job. I have dealt with INS agents in the past and they were not impressive.
February 5Feb 5 6 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:Maybe this will give you some context: DHS-Dept of Homeland of Security was created after Sep 11, 2001. The following federal agencise fall under DHS: CBP, BP, ICE, FEMA, Secret Service, TSA and even FEMA. Before Sep 11 2001 CBP, BP and INS-Immigration and Naturalization Services dealt entry, visa's and dealing with legal and illegal immigrants. The missions for both CBP and BP are mostly unchanged and with the creation of ICE in 2003 changed things. As the years have passed ICE pretty much deals with all matters concerning illegals who are nside of the US. INS no longer exists and dealing with visa's and naturalization falls under UCIS. The terms ICE and INS are not interchangeable. I have never had contact with an ICE agent both on or off the job. I have dealt with INS agents in the past and they were not impressive.And the point is?
February 5Feb 5 6 hours ago, sqwakvfr said:I do not know if ICE shows up to pick up immigration detainer suspects presently because i retired from LE work a long time ago.Thats what they want to do, but are prevented by Sanctuary polices. Do you agree with that?
February 5Feb 5 7 hours ago, Yagoda said:And the point is?My point is you seem to not be aware of the current structure of DHS. DHS is only 25 years old and the entire strructure of protecting the US homeland was redifned after Sep 11 2001 and INS no longer exists. ICE has taken over the functions of INS. ICE, CBP (they wear blue uniforms) and BP (they wear the green uniforms) and ICE are three seperate federal agencies under DHS. That is my point.
February 5Feb 5 7 hours ago, Yagoda said:Thats what they want to do, but are prevented by Sanctuary polices. Do you agree with that?Yes. That is the purpose of when the mayor and or city council makes such a declaration. It is intentionally defying federal laws. But what can the Federal government do about it? Withholding $$$ seems to be the only realy way but I still see cities (even those self declared sanctuary cities) still recieve federal grants.
February 5Feb 5 1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said:It is intentionally defying federal laws. But what can the Federal government do about it?Easy. Surge Agents in to the cities and prosecute the organizers and organizations interfering with the operation.Looks like Minnesota is caving.
February 5Feb 5 1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said:My point is you seem to not be aware of the current structure of DHSHow does that affect the situation? It was working fine for 25 years until Democratic politicos decided that illegal alien child sex predators deserved to be defended.Do you think the invective directed at ICE is justified? Are they Nazis and facists?
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