Reports coming in to

3 hours ago, JimCM said:

We will be ordered by Trump to send battleship to protect the oil tankers, mark my words.

Could be right there Jim news tonight in the uk is Trumps asking the uk and china to send ships to protect the hormuz straits. I hope Starmer tells trump where he can shove his appeal.

On 3/12/2026 at 6:14 PM, Bannoi said:

Is Iran winning that depends on what winning means.

At this point, and after Israel's spots have become clear as day....

There is now JUST ONE MEANING for an Iranian Win:

a. First, the removal of all Israel's nuclear weapons, and any other weapons of mass destruction.

b. Total Regime Change in Israel.

c. The complete atrophy of the State of Israel.

d. Within 10 Years: No More State of Israel in the ME Region.

WIthout meeting all these important goals, there will never be peace in the ME.

So, this is the meaning of Winning for Iran.

On 3/14/2026 at 12:38 AM, ericthai said:

150 schools kids, yes that is very very sad, but it was not like it was intentional like Iran does to its own people.

This is a war and unfortunately innocent people die.

allot of Iranian's were wanting the US to do this and save them from their leader. Do you know anyone from Iran. My Neighbor in the USA moved to the USA 30 years ago to escape the

place. He's hoping he can return to Iran and see relatives sometime next year.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f7Yxulw8BTo

Have you been thinking about those who fled Iran back then, where also part of a regime who

arrested, tortured, and executed dissidents and political opponents. Britannica explicitly says SAVAK protected the regime by “arresting, torturing, and executing many dissidents,” and Amnesty International documented executions and unofficial deaths as well as torture and arbitrary detention in Iran under his rule.

Source AI and britannica

https://www.britannica.com/topic/SAVAK

So after word war 2 Iran had their coup led by Cia, put the Shah in place instead of the the winner of the election who was

Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh. He is widely described as Iran’s democratically elected prime minister, and he was overthrown in the August 1953 coup backed by the U.S. and U.K.

Who knows what Iran would had been today, if he got the chance, but we can only speculate how middle east would have looked like today if so.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Mohammad-Mosaddegh?utm_source=chatgpt.com

On 3/12/2026 at 2:12 PM, mfd101 said:

So the mullahs represent a 5000-year-old civilization? Tell that to Muhammad!

It is to RESTORE Iran as a civilized multi-ethnic & multi-religious member of the world's great nations that this battle is (now) being fought.

The fact that Trump wouldn't have a clue is irrelevant. He's merely History's useful numbskull.

It is totally about the Third Temple and all that nonsense - just listen to Cruz, Graham, Hucklbee.

Trump made SEVERAL mistakes (so far) in carrying out this war.

All leaders make some mistakes, but make this many and you've got a very serious problem.

To summarize --

Sent corrupt grifters/relatives to negotiate with Iran before the war. Fired most or probably all of the Iran country experts that they had before who could have advised and/or been real diplomats. So the negotiations never had any chance of succeeding and appeared to be just a play act show to say they tried.

Being too close to Netanyahu. Here's a case where America First made sense.

Failed MISERABLY in defining the war goals and end game.

Basically after the first actions HAD NO PLAN AT ALL!

Did not try to sell the war or it's goals to the American people AT ALL.

Did not try to sell allies on the war or it's goals AT ALL. As is Trump's idiotic style, he insults allies (other than Israel) instead.

Once the war started, the messages from both Trump and Hegseth about the goals of the war changed daily and contradicted each other. Amateur hour! Thus the war is very unpopular even among Americans so early in the war which is a historical aberration.

The hubris of both Trump and Hegseth alienating people globally, even allies. Part of power is soft power. Under Trump, US soft power is DEAD.

Failed MISERABLY in warning and evacuating Americans abroad in the war zone resulting in many thousand getting stuck.

Failed miserably in anticipating that Iran might retaliate on the Gulf States.

Failed miserably in anticipating Iranian actions on the Straits of Hormuz. Did not have mine sweepers anywhere near the region.

Oil reserves to control prices? They were only at about half capacity when the war started. Why was Trump so stupid as to not fill them?

Active mockery of civilized rules of engagement which MAY have been directly responsible to the early war massacre at the girls school. So it's "woke" to try to avoid murdering schoolgirls? Give me more woke.

That one event makes it much harder for anti regime Iranians to resist. See what the Great Satan did?!?

I could go on but don't be surprised, I will say this.

An actually COMPETENT president could have sold both the American people (including myself) and most of it's allies on a war against Iran. But tragically the USA and the world is stuck with not only the most corrupt president in American history but possibly the most incompetent as well.

A couple of points...

-Iran seems to be playing the anti-Trump. Trump makes his negative moves when equity markets are closed (starting the war on Friday night) and tries to do positive things when markets are open (his CBS interview). Iran seems to have taken the weekend off, but as pre-markets open in the US, Iran may ramp up its strikes on energy-related facilities in the Gulf, seeing that $100+ crude sends the US equity markets down.

-If I didn't know better, I'd say Trump is trying to Make China Great Again, and maybe even get Xi a Nobel Peace Prize. Owing to Trump's tariff taco-ing, Carney, Merz, Starmer and Macron have all approached China and began negotiating trade deals outside of any US influence, further shifting power away from the US toward China.

Now let's see who will attempt---and maybe succeed---in bringing an end to the war. China has good relations with Iran and likely a lot of influence. China may well be able to get Iran to agree to a cease fire. Trump, seeing his war is unpopular and perhaps realizing he got everything wrong, would likely take any deal China arranged (though he will still try to take credit). The world---including the Gulf states---would see reality and see China is becoming the primary positive influence in the world. Saudi Arabia already has pretty good relations with China, having first secretly begun courting China back in the early 1980s with the then-Crown Prince Abdullah, and the UAE also has good relations (having sent China NVIDIA's H200 chip after Trump relaxed export restrictions on the chip in return for a $500,000,000 UAE investment in Trump's family business World Liberty Financial.)

US influence is in decline, and the US is being viewed as a bully and a force for negativity, while China will increasingly be viewed as rational and a force for good, even if China has a mixed record. Perception trumps reality.

I love watching the enemies of the USA fantasize

50 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

I love watching the enemies of the USA fantasize

What you're really saying is that you hate actual American patriots and people who can see through Trump's idiocy, incompetence and self-dealing, because you fail on both accounts.

Like Trump and other armchair warriors and fake tough guys, you are happy to send others into harm's way to fight for what you believe in.

Given the poster’s long-standing support for the genocide in Gaza over the past three years, his stance on the U.S.–Israel aggression against Iran is difficult to reconcile

6 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Given the poster’s long-standing support for the genocide in Gaza over the past three years, his stance on the U.S.–Israel aggression against Iran is difficult to reconcile

You may be confusing posters. I don't always agree with JT, but he's fair and consistent in his opinions.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

An actually COMPETENT president could have sold both the American people (including myself) and most of it's allies on a war against Iran. But tragically the USA and the world is stuck with not only the most corrupt president in American history but possibly the most incompetent as well.

A competent President would have been at the forefront of International efforts to establish a treaty which would have prevented Iran having a nuclear weapons programme. Such a treaty could (was) internationally verified, would/was leading to Iran trading more freely which in turn would have reduced the tensions and international pressure/sanctions which sustained the mullahs' regime.

Such a treaty was established, it was unilaterally torn up by the Fragrant Leader because it had been established during the tenure of his (competent) predecessor.

Now we have a war, the repercussions of which will reverberate throughout the world for years to come, damaging economies and at great cost of innocent lived.

Iran has been described as a parish state; a title now rapidly being embraced by the United States!

The primary principle of waging war is "to identify and maintain the aim".

The US under Trump has no clear aim, and constantly hops from one reason to another.

Ignoring that primary principle defeats the object of waging the war.

The quagmire they are in will ultimately result in them cutting and running, a defeat more ignominious and damaging to their power, status and reputation than their defeat in Indo China 50 years ago. That took them what, a decade and a half, nearly two, to recover. This may well take longer.

It also may be putting at risk the very existence of Israel - although they have the opportunity to change their government in October and get out, I hope for their sake they take it.

All, essentially, to deflect from the foul scandal which is assailing and sticking to their President

12 hours ago, Yagoda said:

I love watching the enemies of the USA fantasize

Conflating MAGA with the US of A is not a sign of mental fortitude. MAGA is in a steep decline and in a few years, when your version of Jim Jones has completed his mental transformation into a vegetable, or is dead, the MAGA movement will fizzle out like a putrid fart.

And in its wake will be the wreckage of the post WW2 world order, and the beginning of the end of the American empire. Luckily (for us), you got rid of your friends and allies before blowing it all up, so this is a trip you're doing on your own.

Bon voyage.

8 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Conflating MAGA with the US of A is not a sign of mental fortitude. MAGA is in a steep decline and in a few years, when your version of Jim Jones has completed his mental transformation into a vegetable, or is dead, the MAGA movement will fizzle out like a putrid fart.

And in its wake will be the wreckage of the post WW2 world order, and the beginning of the end of the American empire. Luckily (for us), you got rid of your friends and allies before blowing it all up, so this is a trip you're doing on your own.

Bon voyage.

You are going down with us then LOL.

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You are going down with us then LOL.

Try to read the entire post before replying. I guarantee it will occasionally prevent you from looking like a muppet.

On 3/12/2026 at 6:24 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

You can, if you are Jane Fonda.

She turned out right as America lost the Vietnam war.

To @Point Arguello

Iran has not started a war of aggression in over 200 years. In fact, it was invaded by Iraq in 1980 in the Iran–Iraq War and spent eight years defending its own territory at enormous cost.

Calls for “regime change” also ignore history. The U.S. already overthrew Iran’s elected government in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état against Mohammad Mosaddegh, helping create decades of mistrust that still shape relations today.

And when you mentioned the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing, you didn't mention the context: U.S. forces occupied Lebanon. Pretending the U.S. was just a neutral bystander rewrites history.

7 hours ago, JAG said:

The primary principle of waging war is "to identify and maintain the aim".

The US under Trump has no clear aim, and constantly hops from one reason to another.

Ignoring that primary principle defeats the object of waging the war.

The quagmire they are in will ultimately result in them cutting and running, a defeat more ignominious and damaging to their power, status and reputation than their defeat in Indo China 50 years ago. That took them what, a decade and a half, nearly two, to recover. This may well take longer.

It also may be putting at risk the very existence of Israel - although they have the opportunity to change their government in October and get out, I hope for their sake they take it.

All, essentially, to deflect from the foul scandal which is assailing and sticking to their President

I totally agree with you, now there's a first 🥇

Israeli society actually like Netanyahu and that's why they've elected him for so many years.

Screeching aside, Iran doesnt have much left.

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Screeching aside, Iran doesnt have much left.

In another post, a member suggested that it only takes one, to which you glibly replied that you would take your chances

So, off you go.